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Old 07-23-14, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jax Rhapsody View Post
I've thought about carbon forks for some of my bikes, or other parts, how many trips at the skate park, or curbs and steps will it take before it gives? Personally, I don't think I'd be brave enough to ride a carbon thruster.
FYI,they make CF forks for MTB's,as well as whole frames. I wouldn't want a CF BMX bike,because they're made to be crashed,but I've never sweated riding either a CF frame or fork on the street. Zero issues with carbon so far,and don't expect any.
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Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
FYI,they make CF forks for MTB's,as well as whole frames. I wouldn't want a CF BMX bike,because they're made to be crashed,but I've never sweated riding either a CF frame or fork on the street. Zero issues with carbon so far,and don't expect any.
I was kinda making fun of a poster who said how aluminum frames trickled down from high end bikes to walmart bikes. Like say in two months there were carbon bikes at walmart, who would take one for the team? I'm just afraid I'll crush a carbon fork with curb jumps and other Premium Rush bafoonery.
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Old 07-24-14, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jax Rhapsody View Post
I was kinda making fun of a poster who said how aluminum frames trickled down from high end bikes to walmart bikes.
Because everyone knows that Huffy and Walmart are such technology leaders
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
Because everyone knows that Huffy and Walmart are such technology leaders
I'm still waiting for the first full carbon(which might actually be a carbon wrapped fiberflass core frame) gmc denali to explode after running over a pothole, or unwind like a cartoon sweater after brushing against a bush.You know it would be hilarious if carbon bikes made it that far down the ladder, backwards forks, upside down misspelt logos, flat tires- all its glory...
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After we've exhausted this topic, we'll move on to discuss which political party is the best.
Could be a while, we're pages past you now. How's the popcorn holding out?

Back on track: I want the one with nice lugs and fillets, and graceful balanced lines. That leaves out most thick clunky welded alu frames. Yuck. I ride both steel and alu, but am probably going to dump the extra, cheap mtb just because of the massive weld lines. My Trek road bike is acceptable, but not nearly as pretty as my steel Sekine with lugged and chromed frame.
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Old 08-01-14, 11:23 AM
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Back on track:... That leaves out most thick clunky welded alu frames. Yuck. I ride both steel and alu, but am probably going to dump the extra, cheap mtb just because of the massive weld lines...
You may like a steel frame for it's lugs or fillets (two different things, by the way) but to someone who is knowledgeable about aluminum bike, large welds, clean welds are the equivalent of lugs or fillets on a steel bike. A thick, clean weld on an aluminum bike shows quality of frame building because the aluminum has to be welded that way. A thin weld line on an aluminum bike is the same as a poorly made lug or a poorly finished fillet or even a slaggy weld on a steel bike. It speaks to a poorly made frame.

I can appreciate a good steel frame just as much as the next guy but I also appreciate a well made aluminum frame as well. It's pretty easy to spot a poorly made steel or aluminum frame from Helmart or Huffy. It's not all hard to spot a cheap steel frame from the 80s and 90s of which there are millions. For every drool worthy vintage Masi, Limongi, Guerciotti, Tommasini, Pinarello, etc., there are a thousand Miyata 210s and Univega Viva Sports and 10,000 Huffys.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
You may like a steel frame for it's lugs or fillets (two different things, by the way) but to someone who is knowledgeable about aluminum bike, large welds, clean welds are the equivalent of lugs or fillets on a steel bike. A thick, clean weld on an aluminum bike shows quality of frame building because the aluminum has to be welded that way. A thin weld line on an aluminum bike is the same as a poorly made lug or a poorly finished fillet or even a slaggy weld on a steel bike. It speaks to a poorly made frame.

I can appreciate a good steel frame just as much as the next guy but I also appreciate a well made aluminum frame as well. It's pretty easy to spot a poorly made steel or aluminum frame from Helmart or Huffy. It's not all hard to spot a cheap steel frame from the 80s and 90s of which there are millions. For every drool worthy vintage Masi, Limongi, Guerciotti, Tommasini, Pinarello, etc., there are a thousand Miyata 210s and Univega Viva Sports and 10,000 Huffys.
100 percent correct
however
the vast majority of poorly made frames
in both steel and aluminum
are actually perfectly fine bikes

about a decade ago
raleigh canada stopped producing bikes in Canada
and went completely to Asian sourced frames and bikes

for the last fifteen or twenty years
that they were produced in canada
they were machine built from various grades of steel
and had stickers proclaiming they were built with
Laser Robotic Technology
and in my mind
the Laser Robots were giant humanoid shaped 1960s sci fi style robots
with red lightbulbs for eyes
and corrugated flexible tubes for arms
but the one thing they definitely weren't
was concerned with quality control

tens or hundreds of thousands of these Laser Robot built bikes were built
and they all
had the ugliest shoddy looking welds
that looked like they could have been made
by a person wrapping semi hard bird poop around the joints
and the brake bosses were not terribly accurately applied
and the frame alignment was usually done to a close enough standard

and were sols not only as raleighs
but also under the name triumph and several other x mart brands
with prices starting under a hundred dollars and going up to close to a thousand
for the nicest deore equipped bike shop models

but as ugly and crappy as those bikes looked
i cant recall ever seeing more than a small handful
of the thousands or tens of thousands that I built sold or worked on
with a broken frame

and the same goes for huffys
and nexts
and ccms
and on and on

so really
as RoadTire has alluded to
most of the so called problems
with the bikes we don't like
are merely aesthetics
including looks
ride feel
and weight

but they seldom have a problem with functionality
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Old 08-29-14, 09:14 PM
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