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Have you never been accustomed to something and then changed it only to try to do it the old way? Such as driving a car with a column shifter then driving a car with floor shifter. |
Originally Posted by joeyduck
(Post 17105367)
@meanwhile
Have you never been accustomed to something and then changed it only to try to do it the old way? Such as driving a car with a column shifter then driving a car with floor shifter. |
Regarding "proper adjustment", I found that I was messing with the adjustment screw too much on the original set of clipless pedals I had. Crank Bros. Quattros and later BeBops fixed that as they have no adjustment. There's nothing to mess with when there's nothing to mess with...
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My recessed cleat shoes crunch n the sidewalk and pavement too.
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Originally Posted by flatlander_48
(Post 17107096)
Regarding "proper adjustment", I found that I was messing with the adjustment screw too much on the original set of clipless pedals I had. Crank Bros. Quattros and later BeBops fixed that as they have no adjustment. There's nothing to mess with when there's nothing to mess with...
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I just like the consistency. Unless they are going bad, they work the same way every time. Quattros were discontinued some years back. The next closest would be the Candy as it has a bit of a platform, albeit smaller than the Quattro.
An additional consideration for me is that I need to unclip with an inward motion. Very few pedals support that. All Crank Bros. pedals do, as well as the BeBops. |
Originally Posted by flatlander_48
(Post 17108126)
An additional consideration for me is that I need to unclip with an inward motion. Very few pedals support that. All Crank Bros. pedals do, as well as the BeBops.
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
(Post 17072574)
AWWWW,man! :( Why did you have to screw up a perfect street pedal set up for damn clipless!!!!!!:troll::troll::troll::bang:
Remember who the friend was that got you into this mess when you crash!!!:fight::fight: http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=404740 |
Originally Posted by GravelMN
(Post 17105087)
RythmRider
Now please excuse me for a moment: . Nightshade, everyone has a right to his/her opinion but you are a panic monger when it comes to clipless. I've read your previous rants on the subject, including your descriptions of your "clipless" crash and your berating of riders and bike shop mechanics for ever even suggesting that there might actually be benefits to clipless pedals. Your comments about being locked to the bike, unable to escape the inevitable doom that befalls all clipless riders, show a lack of knowledge about clipless systems and are absolutely incorrect. I believe in one of your previous posts, you stated that you tried them once and that being "locked to the bike" caused you injury in a crash. Maybe you should have consulted one of those bike shop mechanics and learned to adjust your pedal retention . . . just a thought. While I have not used every clipless system, with the proper selection and setup of an SPD clipless system You Are Not Locked to the Bike and can easily and instictively release in any direction except straight forward and straight back. The majority of individuals I have met with complaints about SPD being difficult to clip in or out have been using the outdated single release cleats (which are rapidly disappearing) and have had the pedal retention set way too high for their style of riding. Another common problem is not knowing where to place your cleats in relation to your foot and pedal. It takes about 15 minutes to educate them and make the proper adjustments. Every single person I have helped get properly set up has ended up liking clipless and failed clip-outs drop to zero. I ride both with and without clipping in and can tell you that there is no additional risk from being clipped in when your cleats and pedals are properly adjusted. In some circumstances safety is enhanced by the aid in keeping your feet centered on the pedals. You can certainly ride without clipping in and I do so frequently. I personally don't think I get much performance benefit by clipping in except on sprints and steep hills. IMHO I do get some comfort, security and safety benefits so I choose to use them. If you don't . . . ride on my friend . . . but don't feed everyone inaccurate information about clipless being some kind of death trap. Maybe I can save a newbie rider from making the mistake of listening to all the folks that ride clipless that live in denial of the danger of clipless. |
Originally Posted by Nightshade
(Post 17111357)
Allow me to respectfully disagree with your POV. I have my own POV and will politely express it a often as I please.
Maybe I can save a newbie rider from making the mistake of listening to all the folks that ride clipless that live in denial of the danger of clipless. |
Originally Posted by GP
(Post 17111391)
Have you used them? For how long? Which ones?
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
(Post 17111357)
Allow me to respectfully disagree with your POV. I have my own POV and will politely express it a often as I please.
Maybe I can save a newbie rider from making the mistake of listening to all the folks that ride clipless that live in denial of the danger of clipless. We all stumble before we walk, for most everyone clipless is not an issue. Many people use it everyday without consequence. I have been injured more from normal pedals striking my shins or calfs (calves) than clipless. Or from my foot slipping off my pedal and loosing control of my bike. Let me check my clipless injuries. I think I must have fallen over once. But I honestly do not remember even doing that, I just assume I must have at some point. I do not recall any other instances of injury or death from clipless. |
Originally Posted by joeyduck
(Post 17111433)
Lets us check the numbers based on your comment: "Maybe I can save" versus "all the folks". You had a bad experience, fair enough.
We all stumble before we walk, for most everyone clipless is not an issue. Many people use it everyday without consequence. I have been injured more from normal pedals striking my shins or calfs (calves) than clipless. Or from my foot slipping off my pedal and loosing control of my bike. Let me check my clipless injuries. I think I must have fallen over once. But I honestly do not remember even doing that, I just assume I must have at some point. I do not recall any other instances of injury or death from clipless. Jersey coroner says foot stuck in clipless pedal led to cyclist's death | road.cc http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/...inquest-113617 http://bicycles.stackexchange.com/qu...pose-the-rider http://www.bikejames.com/strength/fl...ont-let-it-go/ http://www.mountainbikesapart.com/bi...ipless-pedals/ |
Originally Posted by Nightshade
(Post 17111461)
One death due to clipless is one death to many..........
Jersey coroner says foot stuck in clipless pedal led to cyclist's death | road.cc |
Using flat platforms and wide straps like Power Grips gives one the premium option of adjusting one's feet on the pedal's nice big flat surface. Yes, it's good to have the feet secured to the pedal. However, with any type of cleatz your feet are locked into one position, right? Also, while having the skill to pedal in "circles" it's been proven there is very little if any real advantageous force being actually applied on the upstroke side. But, standing up on an uphill climb does seem to be better if the feet are tied to the pedals.
Here is a great report for your open-minded consideration: http://www.bikejames.com/strength/th...h-flat-pedals/ http://www.bikejames.com/wp-content/...withLinks2.pdf By the way I use C R O C K S on 186 mile brevets in one day and I have no issues about soft footgear. Because I did one brevet with the left foot using SPDs and the right using a Crock. I carried the other SPD sandal along, just in case. Result, my right foot felt sooo bad with the Crock. Not! This year I have worn Crocks for 4,202 miles... so far and without any desires to go back to stiff soles clipped in. Just to be open minded I will flip the two-sided pedals over (now that I've fully adjusted to flat pedals) and wear my old spd sandals for a while and see if they feel a lot better than the soft ones on a 300k brevet. |
Originally Posted by Nightshade
(Post 17111461)
One death due to clipless is one death to many..........
Maybe we should stop selling shoes:rolleyes:
Originally Posted by Nightshade
(Post 17111461)
Perhaps he should have used clipless. They would have kept him from putting his foot down. You are entitled to your opinion. Thousands upon thousands of clipless users have figured out how to use clipless pedals without dying and even find them to be a benefit. |
I love clipless pedals....
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clipless are much safer
safer than platforms because it reduces or eliminates the potential of a foot accidentally coming off and allows better control of the bike in critical situations safer than clips and straps and safer than powergrips because release is easy and consistent and never snags or changes while riding nightshade has the right to express his opinions that clipless are dangerous and that non steel bikes are dangerous and that our flat planet earth is the centre of the known universe he has the right to be wrong lets all just smile and roll our eyes like i used to do do when my senile aunt would tell me about the talking bear she took out for a walk yesterday |
Originally Posted by DBA
(Post 17111709)
I love clipless pedals....
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Originally Posted by rebel1916
(Post 17111818)
I like turtles
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 17110614)
Are you sure about that? I've been unclipping inward since I started using clipless in the mid 90s and have never had a problem with it. I've used almost exclusively Shimano but I've also use some Wellgo and Xpedo as well as old Onzas. Never had a problem with it no matter which cleat (multi-release or single release) I used.
Incidently, my original motivation was this: When I got back into riding I went to various shops when I was traveling for business. Early on, I was riding a mountain bike and decided put some real acceleration into it. One foot slipped off the pedal and as everyone knows, it whacks the back of your leg about halfway between your ankle and calf. The visible bruising took 3 to 4 weeks to go away. The lump underneath took maybe 6 months. |
Originally Posted by flatlander_48
(Post 17112152)
Bi-direction release AND no tension adjustment. Narrows the field down considerably. It's been 4-5 years since I last looked (when I found the BeBops). As I remember, the only other one was Speedplay Frogs. There was a molded lump that prevented inward motion. File that off and you could rotate inward. Unfortunately that voided the warranty as I was told by a Speedplay person.
shimano pedals have always allowed inward release as do all other spd compatible pedals as does every road pedal I have tried ironically crank bros and i think the time pedals they share cleats with are the only design that have a directional cleat so depending on which side you mount which cleat it might be easier or harder to unclip in one direction or the other |
#28 and #31 . Going from memory as it has been some time since I rode the Quattros, swapping the Crank Bros. cleats side-to-side changed the rotation angle required to unclip. I don't think the effort required changed significantly either way. I think it was intended to prevent random unclipping for people who have more foot movement in their pedalling.
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Originally Posted by flatlander_48
(Post 17112152)
Bi-direction release AND no tension adjustment. Narrows the field down considerably. It's been 4-5 years since I last looked (when I found the BeBops). As I remember, the only other one was Speedplay Frogs. There was a molded lump that prevented inward motion. File that off and you could rotate inward. Unfortunately that voided the warranty as I was told by a Speedplay person.
Tension adjustment is one of those things that seldom gets moved once the pedals are installed. I don't usually mess with the tension after the pedals are on the bike. One of the things you could do with the old Onza pedals (and you can probably do it with Shimano) is to swap your cleats from one foot to the other when the cleat starts to get sticky. It still didn't matter whether or not you rotate inward or outward but you could get more wear out of the cleat. |
Originally Posted by rebel1916
(Post 17111818)
I like turtles
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