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I just know these nite riders are up to no good.

Old 09-27-14, 10:28 PM
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I just know these nite riders are up to no good.

I see these guys all the time on my way home from work late in the evenings. Usually on a BMX or a MTN bike. Sometimes a old road bike. And thier rides are always lacking reflectors and lights. Their wearing dirty dark clothing and packed black backpacks. Obviously they don't want to be seen by anyone because they're crooks. I do not concider these guys real cyclist but thiefs who use the bicycle as a tool to help them do their dirty crooked work.
Crooked commuters?
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Old 09-27-14, 10:52 PM
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I see these guys all the time on my way home from work late in the evenings. Usually on a BMX or a MTN bike. Sometimes a old road bike. And thier rides are always lacking reflectors and lights. Their wearing dirty dark clothing and packed black backpacks. Obviously they don't want to be seen by anyone because they're crooks. I do not concider these guys real cyclist but thiefs who use the bicycle as a tool to help them do their dirty crooked work.
Crooked commuters?
Dude, seriously?? Have you observed them committing a crime- any crime? Other than the traffic code as it relates to the lights/reflectors for night riding??

Once upon a time, I was without a car, living w/my mom, and working fast food. For the longest time, I worked the breakfast shift and I got there by walking a mile and a half. I wore dark clothing- as it was the uniform- and when the weather turned bad, I wore a black duster. Then when I picked up a second job that required a change of clothes, I carried those in a dark bag (I didn't become fond of bright colors until much later in life). And I've also lived in some sketchy areas where I would do my best ninja impersonations at night- not because I was up to no good, but to minimize the chances of getting jumped by some bored punks.
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Old 09-27-14, 10:55 PM
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Have you considered the possibility that they are also on their way home from work?
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Originally Posted by Corben View Post
I see these guys all the time on my way home from work late in the evenings. Usually on a BMX or a MTN bike. Sometimes a old road bike. And thier rides are always lacking reflectors and lights. Their wearing dirty dark clothing and packed black backpacks. Obviously they don't want to be seen by anyone because they're crooks. I do not concider these guys real cyclist but thiefs who use the bicycle as a tool to help them do their dirty crooked work.
Crooked commuters?
you are just trying to get a rise outta other posters, you really dont believe that crap.
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Old 09-28-14, 01:00 AM
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I once saw these two guys wearing masks removing a television from a house window. I was gonna stop them but then I recall one day I was at a costume party where these guys were dressed up with masks carrying a tv. So I figured the guys I saw that night were probably on their way to a costume party.

But why did they use the window instead of the door? Well, I recall one day I was stuck in the house and i wanted to go out, but the front door was double-lcoked and I didnt have the key, so I climbed out the window. Aha, that explains the window, and the masks, and the TV. :woot:
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Old 09-28-14, 03:07 AM
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Those guys sound like many of the commuting poor I see in the industrial districts. The OP may be right about his area and those particular cyclists, but I'd really need more evidence before those statements don't sound prejudiced. If you are a crook, it only makes sense to keep your bike street legal, if only to keep from giving the police an excuse to pull you over for a talk.
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Drive by any high school or junior high and you'll see that a good number of young people favor dark colors. My daughter wore (and still wears) a lot of black jeans and dark colored rock band t-shirts. Her commuter is a dark MTB, like a black cherry color, but it does have reflectors and a blinky (which she may or may not use). I'm not always happy about her visibility choices when riding at night but the emo/goth/metal look isn't that unusual for teens and isn't an automatic indication of criminal activity.

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Old 09-28-14, 05:30 AM
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Are you my mother?

We lived just outside of Detroit. Any time she saw two kids riding one bike (especially if they were black), she called the police. Yes, sometimes they were looking to steal a bike. But sometimes they just wanted to go to the park and play without broken glass and bums.
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There are crooks, and there are people just trying to get around. There are thieves in dark colours and thieves who wear a mix of colours. There are people just trying to get around without lights. People just trying to get around with lights but with dark colours. Thieves with reflectors, thieves without...

But if you assume one particular appearance is associated with one particular activity, you are only stereotyping. Some may be up to no good, but many are probably just tired people who have finished a shift and can't afford a car.
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Next time you see them, release a horde of rabid squirrels and see how they react. That will tell you more.
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Old 09-28-14, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by GravelMN View Post
Drive by any high school or junior high and you'll see that a good number of young people favor dark colors.
I teach at a middle school and I have noticed that the dark look is not as 'in' as it once was. That being said, I do notice several people wearing dark colours riding to, I assume, their place of employment as i am riding to mine in the morning.

One thing I have noticed, and it was commented on by one of the city PD when we were chatting at a sporting event, is that I seem to be the only person in town riding with lights. I have tried to politely encourage my students, who ride to school, to get some lights.
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Old 09-28-14, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Corben View Post
I see these guys all the time on my way home from work late in the evenings. Usually on a BMX or a MTN bike. Sometimes a old road bike. And thier rides are always lacking reflectors and lights. Their wearing dirty dark clothing and packed black backpacks. Obviously they don't want to be seen by anyone because they're crooks. I do not concider these guys real cyclist but thiefs who use the bicycle as a tool to help them do their dirty crooked work.
Crooked commuters?
First of all Corben, It's not a good practice to jump to conclusions without evidence to back up such a positive statement. You may be right, perhaps these guys are crooks, but do you know for sure? We pass people by practically every day of our lives, and any one of them could be a crook. You might walk past a guy wearing a suite and tie carrying a briefcase, but when you pass him by does it rouse suspicion with you. You never know, he might be a corporate thief ripping people and companies off for millions. You might pass a little old lady carrying a shopping bag walking with a cane, but does she rouse suspicion when you pass her by. You never know, she might be coming home from a good morning of shoplifting. People who appear normal to us based on what society in general dictates as normal look like perfectly respectable citizens in our minds eye, but as soon as someone looks odd to us, it rouses suspicion. I think part of our problem today is that we watch far too much bloody television. Hollywierd does an excellent job of stereotyping people. Years ago if you saw a guy walking down the street with long hair and a beard wearing clothing that doesn't live up to the stereotyped standards of society at the time was immediately looked upon as a trouble maker. Why? because he's different, and Hollywierd presented people looking like that as a no good scoundrel. People years ago would prejudge a guy riding a motorcycle as being part of a gang. Again, stereotyping people because of the media and what we see portrayed in movies. Some here have mentioned this, and I tend to agree. A good number young people today love black, whether its their clothes, their cars or even their bikes they ride. Is there anything wrong with that. When the craze of wearing ones baseball cap backwards began, people would associate that person as a punk. Is wearing ones baseball cap backwards an indication that he's a crook or a bad guy. No! But he is perceived as a bad guy because it's different and doesn't fall in line as to what's normal in society and in our own minds eye. We have to stop prejudging people on how they look or what they do. Here's a story for you. Years ago, I was one of those who would look at a guy with long hair and immediately have my suspicions about him. A little while later I started to get interested in my brothers music business. He ran a recording studio and wrote some beautiful music at the time. When visiting his studio, he would have a lot of different musicians and singers recording. Some were "normal" as we in society perceived and some had long hair and wore different types of clothing - you know, the type that society looked upon as trouble makers and outcasts. Well as it happened, they turned out to be some of the nicest and kindest people I have ever met. I learned a huge lesson back then, and today I try never to prejudge and victimize someone in my minds eye anymore, until there's evidence to prove otherwise. Think about how its done in our courts - "a person is innocent until proven guilty", and that's how we must be in our daily lives.

I hope this helps.

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Old 09-28-14, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Corben View Post
I see these guys all the time on my way home from work late in the evenings......... I do not concider these guys real cyclist but thiefs who use the bicycle as a tool to help them do their dirty crooked work. Crooked commuters?
What?!?!? So now you have to earn an honest living to be considered a "real cyclist"? I can't catch a break! I retired before returning to cycling. So now I need to return to work as well? Could these guys be drug dealers AND real cyclists? I mean.... selling drugs is a legit job... in some states.

Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
Those guys sound like many of the commuting poor I see in the industrial districts. The OP may be right about his area and those particular cyclists, but I'd really need more evidence before those statements don't sound prejudiced.
I don't think the OP pre judged anyone! He judged them on their appearance. And realistically... we all do that all the time with just about everything and everyone.

Originally Posted by GravelMN View Post
Drive by any high school or junior high and you'll see that a good number of young people favor dark colors........ but the emo/goth/metal look isn't that unusual for teens and isn't an automatic indication of criminal activity.
That is also my experience and would also be my guess as well.

It's bad enough that video games and on-line interactions have turned kids into couch potatoes while still in their early teens. But now we're going to demean their character and suspect their actions when they do go outside to..... do whatever it is they're up to outside. Even if they're only out riding around because they can't find a basement to smoke their pot in.... at least they're outside getting fresh air... huh?!?!

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Nope. They're crooks. They cruise through the residential areas and scour the neighborhood yards and cars that are parked in the street. Looking for anything that they can grab and easily transport while on a bike. As a matter of fact...I believe there's a ring of thieves on bikes in my area. And I'm a victim. For they snuck into my backyard and grabbed a small canvas bag of misc tools. And a old handle bar, leaving behind the heavier toolbox. It only makes sence...at first I blamed my neighbor. But a few nights later while driving home from work late I saw a guy, as described, lay down his bike on a neighbors yard and disappear into the darkness. I went around the block and his bike was still there. I layed into the horn and realized not a smart thing to do in the middle of the night. Perhaps I scared him off...and pissed of a few people. I now have a lock on my side gate.
True, not all dark riders are crooks. And i didnt claim they were.
But they're not very bright for riding at night without a reflector or light. ( Hey! that has a nice ring to it.)
Personally I won't ride at night without the means to be seen. Unless I didn't want to be seen. Would you?
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at first I blamed my neighbor.
Was he wearing dark clothing?
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Nope. They're crooks. They cruise through the residential areas and scour the neighborhood yards and cars that are parked in the street. Looking for anything that they can grab and easily transport while on a bike. As a matter of fact...I believe there's a ring of thieves on bikes in my area. And I'm a victim. For they snuck into my backyard and grabbed a small canvas bag of misc tools. And a old handle bar, leaving behind the heavier toolbox. It only makes sence...at first I blamed my neighbor. But a few nights later while driving home from work late I saw a guy, as described, lay down his bike on a neighbors yard and disappear into the darkness. I went around the block and his bike was still there. I layed into the horn and realized not a smart thing to do in the middle of the night. Perhaps I scared him off...and pissed of a few people. I now have a lock on my side gate.
True, not all dark riders are crooks. And i didnt claim they were.
But they're not very bright for riding at night without a reflector or light. ( Hey! that has a nice ring to it.)
Personally I won't ride at night without the means to be seen. Unless I didn't want to be seen. Would you?
If that be so, then a warning to the neighbors and a phone call to the police are in order. If the bike was on the neighbors yard, did you inform the neighbor? If so they should confiscate it and again call the police. Get the police involved and go from there.
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Your backyard job got done by a metal theif. I wouldn't assume it was done by a cyclist. They can work on foot, on bike or by car.

Leaving metal items out in a city with a recycler that pays for scrap is usually unwise.

Our town uses theft - proof bolts on signs, the state stamps guard rails with "WSDOT" in the hopes that recyclers won't buy them from theives. One city had to put up a higher fence with razor wire after all their trucks' catalytic converters got ripped off. A lot of food trucks do en in Portland have been getting their power cables cut and stolen, copper wire gets stolen from freeway lighting projects, etc.

Not every ninja cyclist is a theif, however, not by a LONG SHOT!
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i see these guys all the time on my way home from work late in the evenings. Usually on a bmx or a mtn bike. Sometimes a old road bike. And thier rides are always lacking reflectors and lights. Their wearing dirty dark clothing and packed black backpacks. Obviously they don't want to be seen by anyone because they're crooks. I do not concider these guys real cyclist but thiefs who use the bicycle as a tool to help them do their dirty crooked work.
Crooked commuters?
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They could be bike ninjas wo have been out of work since Yehuda Moon folded. Or since yo live in Sacramento, CA they could be eco-minded state senators and representatives, in which case they probably are crooks.
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Prejudice is alive and well on Bike Forums.
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I wear dark clothing, dark backpack, my bikes are stealthy black and I never committed any crime in my life.
I prefer the stealthy look, it's my style. I don't even use any lights or reflective clothing unless I feel it's necessary, I make a decision when to use it and when not to.
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Glad you're up there by Toronto. I just know my life would change for the worse if I ran over someone on a bike - ninja or not.
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Last in Sacramento , I just stayed aboard the Amtrak Coast Starlighter and skipped the place entirely..
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Just be glad the OP is not law enforcement. He'd be great up in Ferguson.
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