Billy1111

need somevegan recommendations for socks that are warm and durable ...thx~

Machka 

You don't eat the wool socks do you?

And you do know that the sheep are not killed when they are sheared, right?

Billy1111

Since u wanna go there.....dont forget to watch the graphic footage

Igualmente

er... there are a lot of synthetic socks out there.

Machka 

I live in Australia. Sheep are big business here. It would be foolish and very costly to kill them every time they are sheared.


However, if you're allergic to wool or something, you might consider polypro.

Billy1111

exactly why I am looking for recommendations from people ..... geez if u have nothing productive to add just go on your way FFS

Billy1111

thanx i will look into those

JanMM

Yes, wool socks are warm and durable.

I prefer layers of wicking poly for cold weather.

Billy1111

lol thanks for pointing that out! and thx for suggestion

erig007

Aware of that. Those are old news. From what i've read part of the industry looked into this problem years ago and found alternative solutions though i'm pretty sure some companies are still doing bad practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulesing
https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass...on-Program.pdf

Sheep producers can now more easily buy mulesing pain relief | Commodities Market & Business News | Weekly Times Now

Should I boycott wool products? | Lucy Siegle | Environment | The Guardian
https://www.rosygreenwool.com/sheep
How the wool industry has undercut itself on mulesing
https://www.theguardian.com/world/sho...hinese-rabbits

Some companies that claim they don't use those practice
Sheep Welfare & Mulesing-free Production | Icebreaker
Woolpower- 100% mulesing free garments | Woolpower
About the responsibly sourced angora wool we use ??? Orkney Angora
Patagonia Cultivating Sustainable Wool in Namesake Region | Sustainable Brands
Smartwool Requires Wool Suppliers To End "Mulesing" : TreeHugger
https://www.oliveorganic.org/index.php/ibex-womens
https://www.ortovox.com/fiber-world/merino-wool
https://www.minus33.com/help/
https://www.ethicalclothingaustralia....edited-brands/

https://www.wool.com/tt/on-farm-resea.../AWIs-approach

chaadster

There are First World problems, and there are stupid, First World problems.

Me? I wrap my feet in organic, hand-harvested, sun-dried, Fair Trade, tobacco leaves from countries with democratic regimes in the N.Hemisphere (reduces carbon footprint from shipping) with natural, un-dyed, organic hemp twine from a Bolivian, micro-loan funded, minority owned co-op for abused women that is completely powered by glacial snowmelt and solar. Both the tobacco growers and weavers are vegan, of course, eating primarily a diet of locally farmed rice and lentils.

It makes me feel great about being me!

Machka 

Oh wait! You can't use polypro.

That's a plastic product ... a petroleum product ... made from dead animals.


I'd suggest cotton, but you can't use that either. Bees are animals, and humans use bees to pollinate the plants.


Tough question. I'm not sure what to suggest given that veganism "opposes the use of animals for our personal gain in any form". What do you wear in every-day life?


And what do vegans eat? No animal products, of course, but also no fruit and veg either. Bees are forced to pollinate the plants, and sheep are often used to keep the grass down between the rows of fruit trees and in vineyards.

Machka 

Yep. The video is a collection of "shock-provoking" photos and footage that makes its rounds through facebook every so often.

And the blah blah or ... um ... monologue indicates to me that whoever produced the video doesn't have much idea about the sheep industry. Certainly doesn't know there are different breeds each bred for different purposes. Probably never seen a sheep in real life.

I had a chuckle that they include a picture of Shrek, the New Zealand sheep who wasn't sheared for 6 years, to show an example of sheep who have been bred to produce more wool. That wasn't breeding. That was 6 years growth.

elcruxio

Way to get all childish. Based on your post history I would have expected more from you. You seemed like one of the smart ones...

As for productive advice, I'm not vegan but a student. Genuine wool socks are expensive so I stick to cheap synthetic stuff. Layering is the boss here. Basically all kinds of synthetic socks work if you have enough layers. However some of them should definitely be larger and looser than others. If your feet feel like sausages after the layering some of the socks are too tight. Bamboo is a very good base layer sock material. Keep away from anything that has cotton in it.

As for wool, sadly there are no substitutes for it. It has antibacterial properties, it keeps feet warm even if it's slightly damp to little wet, and it wicks like crazy.
If one is to compromize I'd go for ethical wool. I mean sheep in their current form wouldn't survive in the wild anyways, and if they are treated ethically they experience lives which are vastly better than those in the wild. Constant food, possible shelter and medication. Who could ask for more?

But I do understand if it's a complete no no. Such are life choices.

Machka 

It's not childish to ask questions when you're curious about something.

The video he posted says that veganism "opposes the use of animals for our personal gain in any form". I have to say I was a bit surprised to hear that ... I didn't realise they took it that far. But if that's what they believe ... and given that even bees are animals, and honey is not vegan ... what does he wear? what does he eat? where does he live? what kind of furniture does he have?

I'm curious what he's using to post his questions on the internet. My computer is plastic (dead animals) ... has he found one that is made entirely of metal?

How does all this veganism work? Where do they draw the line?


And more specifically ... what can we suggest as a clothing material, especially a sock material? I would presume there are vegan websites provide a list of approved clothing materials. Maybe if we had a list of approved materials we might be able to say whether we've seen socks in those materials.

elcruxio

I believe the line is drawn on using live animals for human gain. But pollination is not abusing animals since bugs do it all by themselves. Nor is using oil products since the "animals" have been dead millions of years. And as a further point, people think that oil is dead dinosaurs, which is true in theory, but only a tiny miniscule portion is actually dinosaur. Most of it is old plant mass like plancton.

And no, killing the animal and then using it is not a go around. You still have to kill the live animal. Then again what if the animal died of natural causes without human interaction? That would be an interesting thought.

fietsbob

Cotton is a vegetable .. Polyester is a thing.

Billy1111

I dont follow any kinda vegan guidelines ..... I just try as best I can to make choices where another being wasnt enslaved,harmed mentally or physically to give me what I need...thats where I try to draw my line.. Im not perfect in this but I try....

ThermionicScott 

I like the approach followed by many Buddhist monks where they are nominally vegetarian, but are pragmatic about not wasting food. They will accept and eat meat if it wasn't specifically killed for them. Nobody gains if a piece of meat that has already been prepared goes into the trash.

Dave Horne

Wool socks are off limits for vegetarians? How 'bout leather shoes?

I understand the argument, I just think we're carrying this a tad far.

I don't eat meat necessarily because I like it, I eat it for my health ... (and I married to a vegetarian).

ThermionicScott 

We're discussing vegans here, not vegetarians: Veganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rich Gibson 

Hard to believe the op wasn't trolling for a response with the request. "Looking for non-wool socks" would have gotten a lot of useful suggestions without the socio/activist digression. As an old man who has circled the sun 72 times now it seems to me the world would be a better place if we helped our fellow man (you know, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc. etc.) in a positive manner rather than adopting negative practices of little practical value other than salving one's conscience.

Just saying...

Rich

vol

Before long this thread will be moved to P&R forum.

Dave Horne

Sorry, the subtle difference in meaning must have escaped me.

Billy1111

you know what...just get the dam thread deleted...i wasnt trolling ****..... there might have been a vegan out there with some good solutions for me..Im very new to this and am really clueless of different types of fabric and what is good for what .. ..BTW what are u doing to help any being in the world rich? FFS