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Old 11-11-17, 09:20 AM
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"Hiking as a Second Language"

"Cross Country Skiing as a Second Language"



My wife and I were watching the TV the other night and saw a segment on a news program about Cross Country skiing and we commented to each other "Boring!" But now that I've read your comments @Maelochs and @SylvainG I take that back. After dark contemplative nights walking or bicycling through the "quiet" how could I call cross country skiing "boring"?
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Originally Posted by Mark Stone
"Hiking as a Second Language"

"Cross Country Skiing as a Second Language"



My wife and I were watching the TV the other night and saw a segment on a news program about Cross Country skiing and we commented to each other "Boring!" But now that I've read your comments @Maelochs and @SylvainG I take that back. After dark contemplative nights walking or bicycling through the "quiet" how could I call cross country skiing "boring"?
Just gonna leave this here



Sorry @Maelochs
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Boy, SylvainG's photo brings back memories.

Now, imagine SylvainG's photo at night, under a full moon, with a 20K groomed trail and you're alone in the forest with the snow lightly falling. Quiet and serene is a good start but until one actually experiences such an event it's very hard to describe adequately. I did that 20K loop just about every Friday night in the winter in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan when I was in college. I can honestly say it's as good as, well, you know. Plus you won't want to smoke a cigarette afterward....

After the ski I would sit on the hood of my still warm Volkswagen Rabbit and contemplate my next race as I cooled down.

I vividly remember one night on that trail when the Northern Lights were playing across the sky. I thought I was in heaven.


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Originally Posted by drlogik
Boy, SylvainG's photo brings back memories.

Now, imagine SylvainG's photo at night, under a full moon, with a 20K groomed trail and you're alone in the forest with the snow lightly falling. Quiet and serene is a good start but until one actually experiences such an event it's very hard to describe adequately. I did that 20K loop just about every Friday night in the winter in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan when I was in college. I can honestly say it's as good as, well, you know. Plus you won't want to smoke a cigarette afterward....

After the ski I would sit on the hood of my still warm Volkswagen Rabbit and contemplate my next race as I cooled down.

I vividly remember one night on that trail when the Northern Lights were playing across the sky. I thought I was in heaven.


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That's a nice picture to imagine, but around here, I would also have a sound that would go with that picture, the sound of wolves howling. Gives me shivers thinking about it
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Originally Posted by Mark Stone
"Hiking as a Second Language"

"Cross Country Skiing as a Second Language"



My wife and I were watching the TV the other night and saw a segment on a news program about Cross Country skiing and we commented to each other "Boring!" But now that I've read your comments @Maelochs and @SylvainG I take that back. After dark contemplative nights walking or bicycling through the "quiet" how could I call cross country skiing "boring"?
Cross country skiing is beautiful. It has taken me off the road and into out of the way places that I wouldn't have even accessed on mtn bike in many cases.

My family and I lived across the road from a field with gently rolling hills. In the spring, summer, and autumn, there was planting, growing, and harvest going on so the farmer didn't want people wandering through. But in the winter, he was all right with townsfolk cross-country skiing out there. The gentle hills created some interest because you could get up some speed on them, on the flatter bits you could work on your technique and get a decent workout, but even better was getting out to that line of trees in the distance and discovering animal prints, watching the birds, and best of all, coming across that old, old house. It probably would have been the original homestead house on that property.

There were no roads or trails into that spot, and without the cross-country skis, we would never have found it.

Lots of Canadian cyclists switch over the cross-country skiing in the winter ... it's a great workout and great way to get outdoors in winter. I miss it.
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Hard to beat walking once the weather gets colder. I ride in the winter but it's a heck of a lot easier to just get out and walk. I just wish there were more hills near where I lived.
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Regarding walking ...

November 15, 2017 -- total to date for 2017: 1069 km

November 15, 2016 -- total to date for 2016: 936 km

November 15, 2015 -- total to date for 2015: 944 km


Still going ... even though I was slowed down recently with dental surgery.
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Originally Posted by Machka
Regarding walking ...

November 15, 2017 -- total to date for 2017: 1069 km

November 15, 2016 -- total to date for 2016: 936 km

November 15, 2015 -- total to date for 2015: 944 km


Still going ... even though I was slowed down recently with dental surgery.
Wow. That's a lot of steps -- Do you count all walking (all of your daily steps on a pedometer) or just exercise walking in your totals?
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Originally Posted by Mark Stone
Wow. That's a lot of steps -- Do you count all walking (all of your daily steps on a pedometer) or just exercise walking in your totals?
Just exercise walking. I only use a pedometer for a month each year during an annual workplace challenge and will log steps in that challenge but I still log only exercise walking in my own records.
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Before I got back into and really serious about biking for fitness, I walked quite a bit. I was walking with my wife. During one of her companies "health awareness" competitions, we got up to walking 70 miles a week, which I think is a lot.

I enjoy it, but it doesn't do anything for me. I didn't really feel better, nor did I lose weight I needed to lose. When I started biking seriously I think I realized what the problem was. I wasn't getting any aerobic benefit.

I've got long legs, my wife very short legs. Using the HR monitor that I bought for cycling, I found out that my HR never got over 90 bpm even though we were averaging 3.5 mph up and down the same rolling hills I bike. My wife's HR on the other hand was 130 to 140 bpm. So she was really working those short legs and getting a good aerobic or cardio-vascular workout.

I still walk with her as she doesn't care for cycling. Certainly not as much as we did when her company was doing all those health competitions for its employees.
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Before I got back into and really serious about biking for fitness, I walked quite a bit. I was walking with my wife. During one of her companies "health awareness" competitions, we got up to walking 70 miles a week, which I think is a lot.

I enjoy it, but it doesn't do anything for me. I didn't really feel better, nor did I lose weight I needed to lose. When I started biking seriously I think I realized what the problem was. I wasn't getting any aerobic benefit.

I've got long legs, my wife very short legs. Using the HR monitor that I bought for cycling, I found out that my HR never got over 90 bpm even though we were averaging 3.5 mph up and down the same rolling hills I bike. My wife's HR on the other hand was 130 to 140 bpm. So she was really working those short legs and getting a good aerobic or cardio-vascular workout.

I still walk with her as she doesn't care for cycling. Certainly not as much as we did when her company was doing all those health competitions for its employees.
70 miles a week is about 135 000 steps. My record according to Garmin Connect is 190,657 steps on Week of Feb 26. Garmin moved me to the 220,000 steps challenge the week after. Needless to say I didn't do well in that challenge. Now because of the time I spend on the bike (about to come to an end for the season ), I only participate in the 90,000 steps challenge.
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Just exercise walking. I only use a pedometer for a month each year during an annual workplace challenge and will log steps in that challenge but I still log only exercise walking in my own records.
Then it's not comparable to what I track- I walk a LOT during the day at work, often at a fast clip AND exercise walk, I've taken to letting a fitbit track my mileage, and stopped tracking by hand. That change (which doesn't count any time pushing a shopping cart) has me at 1100 Miles or 1700+ km for the last 12 month period. One thing I note when I look back is the last week of every month is lower mileage than the rest which is when I'm racing to do month end charting at work.

I am not planning on reducing my walking when I get the trike, but rather adding the riding to it, which should be interesting, but I would have run/walked 2 of the longer rides I did when I was in SC last month with the rental trike. And parking a trike at the grocers is going to probably be closer to the building than I currently park the car, so that will affect things too- same with at work- the clinic I plan to bike commute to is in a shopping center- I currently park a distance away. plan is to park the trike in the building (management approving) so that will reduce steps a bit there too. I like to walk and run and even race a bit though, and don't see that stopping, when I rode a bike before I still did all 3. I also like to swim, but that I don't get to do much (no place nearby to do it), but I might rethink joining the Y that is 4 miles away for their pool if I can trike there and home, since the current issue was a lack of parking.
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To date 2017 walking mileage:

Dedicated exercise miles: 146.77
All other combined (I work an active full-time job on my feet): 1,524.48
Total: 1671.25

Using my "relative mileage" formula, that translates to 6,685 miles on a bike this year.
Add in my actual bicycle mileage (a paltry 1,104) = 7,789

For bikeforums dot net members, probably average - for my old a$$ not too bad
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I've started running in addition to walking. Did 45 min on the treadmill a week ago. Did a couple short runs around our local oval during the week. Then did a 5 km run on Saturday.
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I've started running in addition to walking. Did 45 min on the treadmill a week ago. Did a couple short runs around our local oval during the week. Then did a 5 km run on Saturday.
Not me. My wrecked knees won't allow for running -- I'd be in a wheelchair by day's end. However the aerobic benefit I get from my relatively slow walking (a little over 3 mph) means I don't need to add running. Walking produces an identical aerobic response (for me, anyway) to bicycling: low resting heart (42 bpm last night), etc.

So did you win the 5K? I would expect nothing less lol!
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I love walking and I really like people who walk. I find their personalities a lot more agreeable and laid-back than most cyclists' these days (especially that of serious cyclists). I'm also a backpacker. Here are a couple of snaps from this past summer's peregrinations in the Desolation Wilderness of northern California . . .
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Originally Posted by Scarbo
I love walking and I really like people who walk. I find their personalities a lot more agreeable and laid-back than most cyclists' these days (especially that of serious cyclists). I'm also a backpacker. Here are a couple of snaps from this past summer's peregrinations in the Desolation Wilderness of northern California . . .
Amazing images. Thanks for posting . . .

My experience is that walkers seem to be nicer too. I think there's less of a competitive nature amongst walkers than cyclists, generally speaking of course.
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Wow--real zombie thread for sure. I just realized this and read through some of the postings.

And, I notice that people are getting all anal--just like cyclists--in quantifying the hell out of their "walking."

Why, oh why, can't you just walk? Pay attention to the beauty that surrounds all of us on the Earth and quit trying to make every ****ing endeavor a competition or something you feel you have to Strava?
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Originally Posted by Scarbo
Wow--real zombie thread for sure. I just realized this and read through some of the postings.

And, I notice that people are getting all anal--just like cyclists--in quantifying the hell out of their "walking."

Why, oh why, can't you just walk? Pay attention to the beauty that surrounds all of us on the Earth and quit trying to make every ****ing endeavor a competition or something you feel you have to Strava?

I track to see comparisons because I feel differently depending on how much I am walking.. so a heavy walk period will leave me feeling better than a slower period... but I expect to see that with the bike too, I know I see it when I get to swim more too.
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Why, oh why, can't you just walk? Pay attention to the beauty that surrounds all of us on the Earth and quit trying to make every ****ing endeavor a competition or something you feel you have to Strava?
Well I think I do that in just about any thing that I do outside. Even now when I bike, walk or sail I look at all the beauty and get awed quite frequently by it. I can do that while trying to best my last time on a particular stretch.

Just because I can find something to gripe about or boast about here doesn't mean I didn't also enjoy looking at the marvels of the Earth. That though is a personal experience that don't want to taint by discussing in a forum. However it's still fun to come here to argue and boast!
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Well I think I do that in just about any thing that I do outside. Even now when I bike, walk or sail I look at all the beauty and get awed quite frequently by it. I can do that while trying to best my last time on a particular stretch.

Just because I can find something to gripe about or boast about here doesn't mean I didn't also enjoy looking at the marvels of the Earth. That though is a personal experience that don't want to taint by discussing in a forum. However it's still fun to come here to argue and boast!
Oh, you're fine, really. Excuse my vehemence, please. I'm not nearly as uptight as I sound; I just get an enormous kick out of giving that impression.

And, yet, I truly do believe that , the world is too much with us, in our lives.
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Not me. My wrecked knees won't allow for running -- I'd be in a wheelchair by day's end. However the aerobic benefit I get from my relatively slow walking (a little over 3 mph) means I don't need to add running. Walking produces an identical aerobic response (for me, anyway) to bicycling: low resting heart (42 bpm last night), etc.

So did you win the 5K? I would expect nothing less lol!
I got into speed walking ( never able to jog or run) after a 5K with my wife in January 2010. One year later I walked a 5K, 1/2 marathon then full marathon on consecutive days at the 2011 Walt Disney World Marathon Weekend. It was my first marathon and my best time walking at 4:56:28. Following my 2015 WDW Marathon Weekend where I walked 5K, 10K, 1/2 marathon, marathon, 1/2 marathon, 10K and 5K on consecutive mornings I had an EKG before prostate cancer surgery that March and my resting heart rate was 32bpm. Speed walking and endurance bicycling contributed to my low RHR. Chances are very good that next year's marathon will be my last unless I have the tibial osteotomy surgery and then new knees for both legs.

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Wow--real zombie thread for sure. I just realized this and read through some of the postings.

And, I notice that people are getting all anal--just like cyclists--in quantifying the hell out of their "walking."

Why, oh why, can't you just walk? Pay attention to the beauty that surrounds all of us on the Earth and quit trying to make every ****ing endeavor a competition or something you feel you have to Strava?
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I track to see comparisons because I feel differently depending on how much I am walking.. so a heavy walk period will leave me feeling better than a slower period... but I expect to see that with the bike too, I know I see it when I get to swim more too.
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Well I think I do that in just about any thing that I do outside. Even now when I bike, walk or sail I look at all the beauty and get awed quite frequently by it. I can do that while trying to best my last time on a particular stretch.

Just because I can find something to gripe about or boast about here doesn't mean I didn't also enjoy looking at the marvels of the Earth. That though is a personal experience that don't want to taint by discussing in a forum. However it's still fun to come here to argue and boast!
I've been told I am ANAL for decades and my approach to walking, swimming or biking is not really geared towards sight seeing. Just never one for taking in the sights, so string me up.
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I've been told I am ANAL for decades and my approach to walking, swimming or biking is not really geared towards sight seeing. Just never one for taking in the sights, so string me up.
I won't string you up. I'll just feel sorry for you.
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Not me. My wrecked knees won't allow for running -- I'd be in a wheelchair by day's end. However the aerobic benefit I get from my relatively slow walking (a little over 3 mph) means I don't need to add running. Walking produces an identical aerobic response (for me, anyway) to bicycling: low resting heart (42 bpm last night), etc.

So did you win the 5K? I would expect nothing less lol!
It wasn't an event ... just me trying that distance for the first time since I was in my late teens.


I do, however, have my eye on a 10K event ... and would, one day, like to try a half marathon.
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Originally Posted by Machka
Regarding walking ...

November 15, 2017 -- total to date for 2017: 1069 km

November 15, 2016 -- total to date for 2016: 936 km

November 15, 2015 -- total to date for 2015: 944 km


Still going ... even though I was slowed down recently with dental surgery. The stitches come out tomorrow!

December 13, 2017 -- 1208 km

December 13, 2016 -- 1052 km

December 13, 2015 -- 1055 km

I've been doing a lot of hikes to the Botanical Gardens and back, including again today.

I've also started running!!
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