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Old 07-09-09, 02:18 PM
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damn, how'd they get it already?
No idea. Our team has historically put on Campton/St. Charles and I haven't even heard anybody on the team mention it so...

I do know that as you people have been applying for permits the USAC has been adding dates to the web page...

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Old 07-09-09, 02:36 PM
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I think it's Imelda. We had a chat at Soldier Field.
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Bloomingdale? I could ride there! Too bad you're not keeping it down in the "dangerous" south side. I liked getting back "home". Plus, that pancake flat course from last year was right up my alley!
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20-Sep Jackson park
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How's about a Saturday race for a change?
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saturdays are for the cheese lovers.

I was thinking I hadn't heard anything about St Chucks either but RK runs all of that stuff and just does it....doesn't even involve anyone....and it;s not like we have team meetings or like out cat 1/2's know how to use email or the forum....
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Originally Posted by MJH2
Bloomingdale? I could ride there! Too bad you're not keeping it down in the "dangerous" south side. I liked getting back "home". Plus, that pancake flat course from last year was right up my alley!
I live there Right across the street almost, walking distance. This will be groovy to go and watch. Need to catch the Bartlett one as well. I haven't watched a cross race live yet, shall be cool to see.
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cheese is good. just travel up to wi race on sat then come race on sunday.
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Only in Wisconsin, my man. They've disqualified folks for that here. We're not allowed to have any fun.

I think a 29er with CX tires won't put you at any disadvantage. But, what do I know... I like junky, heavy, FLEXY aluminum frames and bar end shifting.
Yes, yes you do.

CAAD9>Streetfire.
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Originally Posted by chevelle2291
Yes, yes you do.

CAAD9>Streetfire.
Prove it!

And then prove it's better to the point that would make a difference in the average crit.

(could be pretty hard for somebody who's never ridden either)
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....and finishes OTB with psimet....
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Old 07-15-09, 02:55 PM
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....and finishes OTB with psimet....
I think I remember leaving you in the dust in the sprint WITH junior gearing so...suck it Psi

Matt, it's better. I'll prove it to you when I get mine and let you ride it and then watch you cream your bibs when you sprint on it. And I've ridden both, the CAAD9 is better.
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Originally Posted by chevelle2291
I think I remember leaving you in the dust in the sprint WITH junior gearing so...suck it Psi

Matt, it's better. I'll prove it to you when I get mine and let you ride it and then watch you cream your bibs when you sprint on it. And I've ridden both, the CAAD9 is better.
Well, now you've changed your tune from "stiffer" to "better"... and even less quantifiable, more subjective attribute.

Not to mention that you'd be comparing a new cannondale to a frame design nearly 4 years old.

I've written this in other threads on here to the point that it almost hurts. To say that either one of those frames is so spectacularly better that it will make an actual difference in race placings of an "average" recreational racer is silly. They're both good frames... as are the Cervelo and the Cinelli (it's not like the Streetfire was the only AL bike I considered).

Undoubtedly the cannondale is better when you factor in price, as they're so cheaply had on the secondary market, but that doesn't take anything away from the others performance wise.

This is a cyclocross thread. So, lets keep it a little on topic:

What super-stiff, AL cross bike are you buying? I hope you spend a ton on one... so I can laugh as I pedal past on my cheapie Nashbar rig!
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Originally Posted by MJH2
Prove it!

And then prove it's better to the point that would make a difference in the average crit.

(could be pretty hard for somebody who's never ridden either)
I rest my case.

The CAAD9 is nearly as stiff as the Scott CR1 and the Cervelo R3 in lateral stiffness and is THE stiffest frame tested in bottom bracket stiffness. The test was put on by Velonews a while ago. I highly, highly doubt that the Streetfire is even close to the CAAD9 in stiffness.

BMC Streetfire weighs 1588 grams in a size 54 frame only. Found Here.

The CAAD9 as measured in a size 56 weighs 1374 grams frame only. Check the velonews test.

Therefore, the CAAD9 is stiffer and lighter than the BMC Streetfire. I will concede that your Frame is *probably* more durable than the CAAD9, but the CAAD9 is a very cheap frame when bought with Cannondale's crash replacement discount and is thus a better buy. The BMC is *probably* more expensive when not on sale at Competitive Cyclist. I cannot say whether or not the stiffness difference or the weight difference is noticeable, as that depends on the rider's weight and power output.

We the people, find the defendant, MJH2, guilty of bull$hit.
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This is a joke, right?

Now you're adding another factor: Weight. I never said the Streetfire frame wasn't a piggy. I also know that the thin tubing of the CAAD frames leads to all the dented top tubes (which really does mitigate the CAAD cost advantage, if you think about it).

Find some sort of study that actually involves the BMC, pusscakes.

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Originally Posted by MJH2
This is a joke, right?

Now you're adding another factor: Weight. I never said the Streetfire frame wasn't a piggy. I also know that the thin tubing of the CAAD frames leads to all the dented top tubes (which really does mitigate the CAAD cost advantage, if you think about it).

Find some sort of study that actually involves the BMC, pusscakes.
I can't, because such a test doesn't exist. Nobody has ever tested the BMC head-to-head against the CAAD9 because it has never been considered to be within the same league as the CAAD9. The dented top tubes are kind of annoying, but they do not cause the frame to fail. In fact, I would say that most of those dents are superficial and do no effect the structural integrity of the frame.

Response to Matt's edit: It would likely not help me finish higher, but that is a moot point as there are so many variables to me finishing higher such as time spent in the wind, my lack of sprinting ability, etc. I would like to see YOU prove, however, that it would not help me finish higher. By the way, the original argument was based on which frame is stiffer. I have given links to a test where the CAAD9 is compared to frames that cost thousands of dollars more. The BMC, as far as I know, has never been involved in such a test. The EFBE test also ranks the CAAD9 as a "Top Performance" frame in its results.

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Old 07-15-09, 03:33 PM
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This is hilarious....all that's missing is a round of beers for me and a crowd to listen.....wait...jsut the beers I guess.
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Originally Posted by chevelle2291
I can't, because such a test doesn't exist. Nobody has ever tested the BMC head-to-head against the CAAD9 because it has never been considered to be within the same league as the CAAD9. The dented top tubes are kind of annoying, but they do not cause the frame to fail. In fact, I would say that most of those dents are superficial and do no effect the structural integrity of the frame.
Yes. You and your high school diploma would say that.
Response to Matt's edit: It would likely not help me finish higher, but that is a moot point as there are so many variables to me finishing higher such as time spent in the wind, my lack of sprinting ability, etc. I would like to see YOU prove, however, that it would not help me finish higher. By the way, the original argument was based on which frame is stiffer. I have given links to a test where the CAAD9 is compared to frames that cost thousands of dollars more. The BMC, as far as I know, has never been involved in such a test. The EFBE test also ranks the CAAD9 as a "Top Performance" frame in its results.
Your admission that there are so many variables that the frame would not help you finish higher is an admission that your persistence in demonstrating the CAAD9 to be stiffer is silly, and a waste of time.

And, I don't have to prove anything, because I never made the unsupported statement that one was "way stiffer" than the other. You, on the other hand did. And then you kept telling me how much stiffness matters...

I stand by my opinion that recreational cyclists fret way to much over such stupid, unimportant bs. If you'd take that money you're planning to put into a CAAD9 frame and spent it on coaching and training, you'd be faster on any reasonably put together race bike than you will on that CAAD9.

Joel just won another race on an aluminum Trek that won't appear on any stiffness comparisons. Why don't you explain your theory of bottom bracket flex to him. See if he thinks it's holding him back.
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...or tell Rob Kelley about how is flexy Ridley can't take him as far in cycling as a CAAD9 would.
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Originally Posted by MJH2
Yes. You and your high school diploma would say that.


Your admission that there are so many variables that the frame would not help you finish higher is an admission that your persistence in demonstrating the CAAD9 to be stiffer is silly, and a waste of time.

And, I don't have to prove anything, because I never made the unsupported statement that one was "way stiffer" than the other. You, on the other hand did. And then you kept telling me how much stiffness matters...

I stand by my opinion that recreational cyclists fret way to much over such stupid, unimportant bs. If you'd take that money you're planning to put into a CAAD9 frame and spent it on coaching and training, you'd be faster on any reasonably put together race bike than you will on that CAAD9.

Joel just won another race on an aluminum Trek that won't appear on any stiffness comparisons. Why don't you explain your theory of bottom bracket flex to him. See if he thinks it's holding him back.
I will admit that me proving the CAAD9 to be stiffer is a silly waste of time, however this is bikeforums and the simple act of posting on here is a silly waste of time. I will also concede that the training and coaching would help more, however, I can't afford a powertap, my heart rate is too variable to train off of, and Kelly charges $100 a month for training. So, I've got nothing else left to buy but bike schwag.
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Its probably as flexy as the Salsa I want....
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BTW - Chevelle,....don't argue with a lawyer. What I find works best is I find something very incriminating about someone else and divert MJH2 to that tidbit of information when he's riding my case.

I have a juicy piece about Riccio I am just waiting to deploy...
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...or tell Rob Kelley about how is flexy Ridley can't take him as far in cycling as a CAAD9 would.
Nobody tells Mr. Kelley what to do except Mrs. Kelley.

However, if I were Mrs. Kelley, I would tell him to get rid of that POS Ridley and pick up a CAAD9 ASAP.
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BTW - Chevelle,....don't argue with a lawyer. What I find works best is I find something very incriminating about someone else and divert MJH2 to that tidbit of information when he's riding my case.

I have a juicy piece about Riccio I am just waiting to deploy...

I was under the impression that I am riding MJH2's case. Can you please PM me with this juicy tidbit?
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BTW - Chevelle,....don't argue with a lawyer. What I find works best is I find something very incriminating about someone else and divert MJH2 to that tidbit of information when he's riding my case.

I have a juicy piece about Riccio I am just waiting to deploy...
I care about none of that.

But this fun thread has been seriously derailed. No more of this sillyness.


Resume talk of mud, superhero's and the general way-too-uptightness of the greater chicago cross community now!
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I care about none of that.

But this fun thread has been seriously derailed. No more of this sillyness.


Resume talk of mud, superhero's and the general way-too-uptightness of the greater chicago cross community now!
(leaves thread because he hasn't got the money or interest for cyclocross...)
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