Cam-Rock

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=175339

http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t...m%20Rock%20CX/

Wait.

Somebody racing a steel bike with a steel fork and kicking ass? Where did you get this vintage photo from?

Single speed too. :lol:

http://www.dailyherald.com/apps/pbcs...w=566&maxh=566
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/710229735/

Rob, is that you in this picture? I just accidentally stumbled upon this when trying to find information about a fallen ABD member.

I'd say this looks like Rob's gut.. I think we can positively identify him. ;)

You said it, not me, though I was thinking the same thing :p

Really don't have room, literally, to talk :)

where are you guys in this picture?

jus sayin.

later.

I was heckling, but they didn't add that picture of me doing that, probably because I was double fisting some IPA. Gimme a cross bike and I will be in there!

That picture has a lot of guys with winged wheels. I like it.

Nixternal - My 58cm Dolan is yours for the using on Sunday if you want. It's got crank bros Candy pedals. I can put flats or SPD's on there if you want. I'll be working registration and probably not racing. Let me know.

You just had to call my bluff didn't you :p I will be there Sunday, but I am spectating. I haven't been on the bike in a few weeks, so I doubt I could even finish a lap right now. Love how it is my size too, just smashed my bluff all to hell. I couldn't even come back with a "That bike is to big or to small!"

Ha ha.

I have this theory that anybody who actually wants to get out there really bad finds a way to do so (in cross, anyway), so I didn't really think you'd be interested. Although, I was serious with the offer... the bike will be sitting around most of the day doing nothing.

Soooo... this may be the last year for the Indian Lakes sand pit? Proposed rule:

5A9. Obstacles
(a) An obstacle is a part of the course likely to require riders to dismount.
(b) The total length of obstacles should not exceed 10% of the course distance.
(c) The maximum length of an obstacle is 80 meters; the maximum height 40cm (step height).
(d) The course may include a maximum of 6 artificial obstacles.
(e) Artificial sand pits shall be between 40 and 80 meters in length and at least 6 meters wide, on
a straight part of the course. The entrance and exit to a pit shall be at the same level as the course
(no drop-off or step up).

Wow, why the heck add 40 meter minimum? Dang strange. Wonder if it's a typo and they meant 4 meters minimum?

I think the reference to artificial allows promoters to make their own sand pit for a race. Indian lakes sandpits are all permanent so the rules (d) and (e) don't apply - at least that's how I read it..

For UCI courses, used to be only 1 artificial obstacle (usually a set of barriers or a flyover) was allowed. A number of the WC courses built steps permanently into hillsides to get around this.

Also, I think there's a rule in there somewhere that allows exceptions for tradition. So the tradition of a 100 ft starting sprint into a set of 3 hairpin turns that some races are so fond of can be maintained!

Pfft, rule 5a16 is even worse. if it isn't 68 degrees or higher, and the officials don't approve prior to the event happening, handups of any kind are illegal. I kind of feel bad for getting Jared DQ'd, but just thinking I might have caused his awesome vomit fest makes up for any guilt I was feeling previously.

I did a quick search for "artificial" and didn't see it defined anywhere. My initial thought was that an "artificial" sand pit is one that doesn't naturally occur as part of the ground. Like, the playground at Carpentersville, the sand pits at Indian Lakes, or the old sand run at Lan-Oak... all of which where manufactured (although not for the race). Non-artificial sand would be like the pit near the lake at Montrose. I suppose we will find out.

You're the one that speaks leagaleze but I read "artificial" as being placed there by the promoter. I could see it going either way.

Therein lies the problem.

And, really, what sense does it make that a promoter couldn't build a cool lip (like the one at the exit of the second sand trap at Indian Lakes), but if it's part of something humans put there for reasons other than cyclocross it's ok?

A lot of rules don't make sense. I'm not going to pretend to know enough about 'cross to have an opinion that should be valued, but I think you should let people go crazy when setting up a course.

CX Nats to Madison in January 2012 and 2013 at Badger Prairie

https://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=5626

There are two kinds of rules that don't make sense. Those for which the underlying policy or motivation is debatable. And those which are useless by their practical implementation (ie. there are too many loop holes to justify the rules' existence). If "artificial" means that the rule only applies to sand which a promoter may put in for a race and remove immediately thereafter but does not apply if the promoter leaves it in year round (or if it is man made for purposes other than cyclocross... like golf), then this rule looks to fall into both classifications.

And that's without even getting into the "straight" part. I thought the turn in the Cville sand last year was pretty neat.

Maybe you should do some consulting work. Just saying.

A few months back (fueled by my angst over the "centerline rule" not saying what people say it says, and being enforced differently across both different categories and different regions) I looked into getting involved with the rules stuff. I couldn't figure out how.

Can we put the nails in 2010 cross season yet? I mean, I know it's not over. The excitement for the season seems to have died down, though. I'm ready for a "Feeling 2011 Road Racing" thread, but don't want to detract from your cross mania.

Dunno if I can face another sunny and dry weekend. May have to bag racing until the weather disimproves.