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Old 03-20-18, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
I ride Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on my Crosstrail. I've got a 35 on the front of my Crosstrail, and a 40 on the back, for the best of both worlds. I've got 30s on my Sirrus, and it is much more harsh!

To me, the 35 is a good compromise, and is only about 1 3/8 inch wide, vs an 1 1/8 for a 28mm. A quarter of an inch ain't a lot of difference, but it sure makes a BIG difference in comfort.


I thought about mixing sizes to get more shock absorption on the front (larger, lower pressure tire) plus stability off road and less roll resistance on the rear (smaller tire, higher pressure). Maybe I'm wrong, but to me this makes more sense. Was actually thinking of this when I was considering a Sirrus. Wanting wider tires for off road, but the rear wouldn't accept much wider than the stock 30's.
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I appreciate your suggestion and agree. . . . . . the Toughroad SLR1 looks very much like the bike I need, though I would like to run narrower tires. My hesitation is this: We only have two bike shops in our area (we like to patronize local merchants): #1 sells Specialized and Surly, #2 Giant, Specialized, Cannondale, Salsa, Surly, Redline, and Torker. I have done business with both and, hands down, the Specialized shop is my preference. While shopping for our current bikes, we went to LBS #2 first, because they had a variety of brands to compare. Perhaps we just went on a bad day: they basically told us to take some bikes out and try them - that was it; no discussion regarding our needs, budget, etc. Pretty much "There are the bikes (pointing). See what floats your boat"!! Perhaps we didn't come across as serious bikers, looked like we were just window shopping, or whatever. I was immediately turned off, so we looked around a bit and moved on to LBS #1 which ultimately fitted us nicely with our Specialized Crossroads. I have since talked to bike owner friends and family who agree #1 is the shop of choice. IMO, #2 seems more interested in maintaining, repairing, and modifying bikes, whereas #1 has full-circle customer service as well as a knowledgeable staff. Example: I recently took my Crossroads in to #1 for its third annual post-sale tune up. While there I expressed to the person on duty my desire to upgrade, which started a discussion about different Specialized options. He suggested I do some Internet research and continue the discussion when I return to pickup my bike. At that time, I rode several bikes, but was unable to completely satisfy my needs within the Specialized lines. I discussed the possibility of modifications and, although the person on staff had some suggestions, none, aside from a costly handlebar conversion, seemed to do the trick. Am I hard to please? Maybe. Am I wrong to want what I want? I don't think so.


A few days later I received a call from the shop's owner (who only works Saturdays and is the person who fitted and sold us our CR 4 years ago). Having been made aware of my frustration, he said his first thought was the Crossroads, until he realized I already have one and my reason for upgrading is to have disc brakes. He invited me to meet with him next Saturday. I believe his thought, mine too, is to fit me with a Cross Trail or Ariel. If make that choice, I should ride it a while, as configured, then decide whether to modify (less flat handle bar, better suited women's saddle, and perhaps a wider tire for off-road). This will also give me the opportunity to see how I like the fork suspension, knowing it can be swapped for rigid.


Sorry for such a long reply. Briefly stated, I feel the LBS is just as important, or even more so, than finding the off-the-shelf bike that best fits my needs. I will only be buying this bike once, but I need to be satisfied and content that the LBS genuinely cares for me and my bike after the sale. Having had experience with shop #1, I am confident I will leave with a well-fitted bike that fulfills my dream.


I hope my insights will help others who may be facing a similar challenge. I will report back

If you test road the Toughroad and found it to your liking, after your first service that is usually thrown in as part of buying a new bike, could you not just take the Toughroad to LBS 1 to service in the future?
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Originally Posted by Suza View Post
I thought about mixing sizes to get more shock absorption on the front (larger, lower pressure tire) plus stability off road and less roll resistance on the rear (smaller tire, higher pressure). Maybe I'm wrong, but to me this makes more sense. Was actually thinking of this when I was considering a Sirrus. Wanting wider tires for off road, but the rear wouldn't accept much wider than the stock 30's.
I mix sizes for a different reason.

I wanted slightly narrower (35) on the front to quicken and make the front end more precise. I put the 40 on te back for increased load capacity, and a better ride.

In 08, my Crosstrail came with 45s OEM. Honestly, I didn't notice any difference switching to 40s. Also, surprisingly, with it's great utility credentials, and the right tires, front suspension locked out (or the new smart suspension), it is really a quick bike that likes to go fast. That's what makes it such a great do it all bike.

I don't think you would be disappointed on a Crosstrail - if I had to give up one of mine, the Crosstrail is the one I would keep!


Then I got some 35s at a really good price, so started switching to see what happened. I notice only better handling with the 35 on front, but a 35 on the rear was more harsh. The 40 back there is just right. Just like the 35 on the front is just right on my Crosstrail. This is a great do it all bike.

Switching to the Marathon Supremes made a huge difference on that bike, as did the size.

I'm back to 28s on the Sirrus, because I'm not willing to give up the sportiness on that bike. It goes faster easier, and is relatively quick and stable going around corners.

10 years newer, Specialized has really improved it even more. I lust for the disc brakes, and the new front suspension - and I see they are leaning toward my tire size choices, while still having the ability to go fatter if you desire. I find Body Geometry seats reasonably comfortable, but would still switch it to a blem Selle AnAtomica, as soon as I got home! lol

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Old 03-21-18, 11:34 AM
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I think I've posted about this before, but why not consider upgrading to the Trigger Pro tires? That's what I did on my Crosstrail after the OEM set of Trigger Sports wore out. The Pros are rated for 45-90psi and have additional flat protection. Otherwise, they're identical as far as tread design, etc.


I would like the lower pressure of the Trigger Pro. Extra flat protection too. However, does the added flat protection result in a heavier tire? Worth the added weight?


I would rather use the stock Triggers as road tires and get a little bit wider and heavier tread for trail riding.
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Old 03-21-18, 11:54 AM
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Once I angled the grips like that, I no longer had my hands go numb since I was no longer bending my wrists. It took a bit to get used to it though, but now it seems normal to have the grips angled like this. Still have fingers go numb if I don't move around for a bit on longer rides.

Sit ups!???!??? Whats that? ........
Looks like you angled the grips away from you so the flared rest of the grip is more flat?


I like the looks of your handlebar . . . . looks similar to the one on my Crossroads. What make/model is it?


I have to be careful with how far the handle bar sticks out. We carry our bikes with a 1upUSA tray rack on the back of our small Sprinter RV which has a recessed hitch. Even with a hitch extender, my bike barely clears the rear mast of the van. I put a tennis ball on the end of the bar, just in case. I'm going out to measure our bars.


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If you test road the Toughroad and found it to your liking, after your first service that is usually thrown in as part of buying a new bike, could you not just take the Toughroad to LBS 1 to service in the future?

After my experience with LBS #2, I don't feel good about buying from them; yes, I might like the Toughroad and wouldn't have to swap forks. But, I feel better about patronizing LBS #1 as I have been doing business with them for several years and have confidence in their fitting expertise; LBS #2 is an unknown, in that respect.


Bottom line is, I don't think I can go wrong with the Crosstrail and am willing to give the suspension a try, knowing I can modify. Might I like the Toughroad as well, or better? Perhaps. But all things considered, I prefer doing business with LBS #1, including my initial purchase.


Thanks for your advice
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Originally Posted by Skipjacks View Post
Cool. Thanks.

I just took Ergon GP3 grips like yours off my bike and put the stock ones back on last night. I've been leaning into the bars too much and the harder rubber on the Ergons was killing my hands. But like like the wider grip and the bar ends so I want to make them work.

I was thinking of raising the grips a little like you did to offset that. (Tried moving the seat and what not. That helped, just not enough)

The other option is more sit ups to improve my core...but yeah that ain't gonna happen no matter how much I swear I'll do it.

I might ride over to the LBS and see what they recommend for me, but it's nice to see an option in place like yours so I have some basis when I talk to them.
You might want to try the Specialized version of those Ergon Grips. The slightly softer rubber, is more forgiving, and more comfortable. While there, pick up a set of P2 Overendz Barends - you will thank me later!
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Originally Posted by Suza View Post
After my experience with LBS #2, I don't feel good about buying from them; yes, I might like the Toughroad and wouldn't have to swap forks. But, I feel better about patronizing LBS #1 as I have been doing business with them for several years and have confidence in their fitting expertise; LBS #2 is an unknown, in that respect.


Bottom line is, I don't think I can go wrong with the Crosstrail and am willing to give the suspension a try, knowing I can modify. Might I like the Toughroad as well, or better? Perhaps. But all things considered, I prefer doing business with LBS #1, including my initial purchase.


Thanks for your advice

Fair enough, the Crosstrail from all reports is a fantastic hybrid, so you should have a great time with it.
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I have a 2016 Sport Disc, I am interested in upgrading to a 1x11. Is this possible, is it worth it, and what would you recommend for parts?
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You might want to try the Specialized version of those Ergon Grips. The slightly softer rubber, is more forgiving, and more comfortable. While there, pick up a set of P2 Overendz Barends - you will thank me later!
Do you mean these?
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/co...=219393-131255

And here's a dumb question....if I used these, how do I use bar ends with them? Since the ends are closed?

Or are you talking about a different grip altogether?
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I have the ones that are not GEL! The "S" logo is a plug in mine, and pops right out, so they can slide the distance you need for the P2 Overendz barends. I also prefer the lockring on the inside!

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/co...=219501-131247

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/p2-overendz-bar-ends/p/130805?color=219373-130805

these bar ends are extremely comfortable, feel good in your hands without wrap.

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Do you mean these?
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/co...=219393-131255

And here's a dumb question....if I used these, how do I use bar ends with them? Since the ends are closed?

Or are you talking about a different grip altogether?

See my previous post - my choice on all my bikes. Got rid of all the rest of my grips and bar ends.
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Looks like you angled the grips away from you so the flared rest of the grip is more flat?


I like the looks of your handlebar . . . . looks similar to the one on my Crossroads. What make/model is it?


I have to be careful with how far the handle bar sticks out. We carry our bikes with a 1upUSA tray rack on the back of our small Sprinter RV which has a recessed hitch. Even with a hitch extender, my bike barely clears the rear mast of the van. I put a tennis ball on the end of the bar, just in case. I'm going out to measure our bars.


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I think it was this Ritchey I bought from Performance bikes for around $20. They no longer have it on their website:

https://www.amazon.com/Ritchey-Rizer...hey+handlebars

You can always cut the handlebar ends down to shorten them if needed. Many people do this since the length of some of these bars might be too long for them.
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I have a 2016 Sport Disc, I am interested in upgrading to a 1x11. Is this possible, is it worth it, and what would you recommend for parts?
Anything is possible, it being worth it is really your interest in this technology. What kind of riding are you planning on doing? Gear ratios maybe similar to what you have, just simplified since there would only be one gear in the crank. So it being worth it is really up to you if you want the simplicity of this kind of setup.

1x11 are not cheap, especially for a Crosstrail Sport. It's possible the new groupset could end up being more money than what you spent on buying the bike, which in my opinion makes it not worth it.
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I think it was this Ritchey I bought from Performance bikes for around $20. They no longer have it on their website:

https://www.amazon.com/Ritchey-Rizer...hey+handlebars

You can always cut the handlebar ends down to shorten them if needed. Many people do this since the length of some of these bars might be too long for them.

From reading the specs on both the stock bar and the one linked above, both have 9 degree backsweep. So the difference is the upsweep? Is the Crosstrail bar completely flat? The Ritchey Rizer list Upsweep as "2", but I don't know 2 what. Inches? Degrees?


If the backsweep is the same, would it work to just raise the bars?


The Ritchey lists width as 670mm. My bar can't exceed 660mm. I guess that would be an easy adjustment, as you said.


Thanks for the info.
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Anything is possible, it being worth it is really your interest in this technology. What kind of riding are you planning on doing? Gear ratios maybe similar to what you have, just simplified since there would only be one gear in the crank. So it being worth it is really up to you if you want the simplicity of this kind of setup.

1x11 are not cheap, especially for a Crosstrail Sport. It's possible the new groupset could end up being more money than what you spent on buying the bike, which in my opinion makes it not worth it.
I ride pretty much all canal trail stuff, I just never shift off the middle chain ring. Figured the weight savings might be good. More than anything I just want to mess with my bike I think:-). If I put the parts on this bike, would they be usable down the road for a mtb build?
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From reading the specs on both the stock bar and the one linked above, both have 9 degree backsweep. So the difference is the upsweep? Is the Crosstrail bar completely flat? The Ritchey Rizer list Upsweep as "2", but I don't know 2 what. Inches? Degrees?


If the backsweep is the same, would it work to just raise the bars?


The Ritchey lists width as 670mm. My bar can't exceed 660mm. I guess that would be an easy adjustment, as you said.


Thanks for the info.
I know my Crosstrail is near flat. Not sure if the new Crosstrail has a different bar than what I had. I have my old bar somewhere and will have to check it out later. (still unpacking from a move)
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I ride pretty much all canal trail stuff, I just never shift off the middle chain ring. Figured the weight savings might be good. More than anything I just want to mess with my bike I think:-). If I put the parts on this bike, would they be usable down the road for a mtb build?
Hey, then it would be worth it just for the fun of it. These are mountain bike parts, so I'm assuming the 1x11 from both Shimano and SRAM would fit a mtb build as well.

If you do this, please come back and provide pictures. I would be curious to hear on the progress and how you like it.
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Anyone know where I can get original or even an aftermarket, seat post? I have 2 saddles I'm trying and it would be so much easier to just swap the post with the saddle already adjusted vs. Swapping saddles and then adjusting all over again.
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Anyone know where I can get original or even an aftermarket, seat post? I have 2 saddles I'm trying and it would be so much easier to just swap the post with the saddle already adjusted vs. Swapping saddles and then adjusting all over again.
Literally any bike shop ever. Store or online.

And LBS might even have a crappy one sitting around that they'll sell you real cheap off a bike they sold with upgraded parts.

For your purposes of just needing a spare while testing, I might try Amazon. Normally I avoid bike parts on Amazon because of all the untested junk and high rate of counterfeit name brands....but if you just want a cheap part to work for a couple rides as a test, go for Amazon. It doesn't have to last forever, just 100 miles or so until you've made a decision about which seat you want to go with.
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Hey, then it would be worth it just for the fun of it. These are mountain bike parts, so I'm assuming the 1x11 from both Shimano and SRAM would fit a mtb build as well.

If you do this, please come back and provide pictures. I would be curious to hear on the progress and how you like it.
Will do. I'm gonna do tires too. Marathons? How wide can I go without reducing rolling resistance? Stock trigger sports on there now...
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Will do. I'm gonna do tires too. Marathons? How wide can I go without reducing rolling resistance? Stock trigger sports on there now...
Which Marathon?
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Which Marathon?
Not sure! Any recommendations?
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Not sure! Any recommendations?
If allof your riding is pavement and packed gravel, it's really hard to beat Marathon Supremes. Myself, I opted for a 35 on the front to quicken and help make steering more precise, and a 40 on the rear for comfort and capacity.
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Will do. I'm gonna do tires too. Marathons? How wide can I go without reducing rolling resistance? Stock trigger sports on there now...
I was told by my LBS that you can go as far down as 28mm on the Crosstrail wheels. I'm skeptical on that though. I went with 35mm Nimbus tires myself, but my new wheels cannot handle anything smaller than 35mm. I use the Nimbus when I know that I will be mainly riding pavement and use the Triggers for the gravel trails.

The Marathons look nice though and I have heard nothing but good things about them. I'm most likely going to try those myself when it's time to replace my Nimbus.

There were articles, somewhere, don't have time to look, but that there were study's showing that the wider tires really don't reduce rolling resistance by as much as you think. It's more in the tread of the tire. I noticed once I started using the Nimbus for pavement, it was much smoother and much more agile than the Triggers. But they weren't as nice on the gravel as the Triggers.
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