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Old 08-11-16, 05:00 AM
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I'm 1,000 miles away from Melbourne in sunny Brisbane.
You're my neighbor then. Have you ever done the rail trails west of Ipswich? I certainly haven't lol, but I do intend to do bits of them in the years ahead. I usually just ride around the SS, the corso - UQ - goodwill bridge loop for exercise. I think I'll buy one of the new Giant SLR 0 models with the SRAM GX kit on it. They say there only available down here, lucky us hey

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Originally Posted by coominya View Post
You're my neighbor then. Have you ever done the rail trails west of Ipswich? I certainly haven't lol, but I do intend to do bits of them in the years ahead. I usually just ride around the SS, the corso - UQ - goodwill bridge loop for exercise. I think I'll buy one of the new Giant SLR 0 models with the SRAM GX kit on it. They say there only available down here, lucky us hey

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I'm only really getting into biking as we speak, and am terribly unfit right now and wouldn't dare try doing any rail trails.

But possibly in a year's time I will give that a go.
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lol lol. I'm in the same boat, I usually ride that circuit I described but haven't in a couple of years. My old bike broke a rear spoke and in trying to remove the cassette I lost the plot and destroyed the wheel. No worries, it was a flogged out old Giant Yukon anyway so I went out and bought a Scott MB.

I hated it, the front suspension drove me crazy because it would always move a little even fully locked and most of my riding was on the bitumen. Plus the gears were rubbish. Then I bought a racer with a decent gear set group but the narrow tires and twitchy steering was too much for this big bloke. I test rode your bike yesterday at moorooka honda ( I was in there sticky beaking for motorcycle stuff) and to my surprise they had a huge bicycle section. I'll get one as soon as the dude can get it in, I just hope I can live with the aluminum colour.

BTW, the rail trails are easy, all flat and good compacted roadbase stuff.
Good to see a fellow aussie here too btw.
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Does anyone on the forum with experience riding one of these new generation of single ring bikes care to comment on how they found the experience? My riding style is one where I like to be right on the edge of the gearing, always racing against myself. Also I have never had any issues operating front derailleurs or with cross chaining. Those are points that tell me I might not be suited to a single.
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Try riding your bike everywhere for a month in the largest ring. Up hills, down hills, flats.

If you can do it all in the larger ring then you have answered your own question. If you struggle on some sections on your larger ring then consider that you may need a chainring the next size down.

I did exactly this when I did a 1x conversion on my fat bike. Large ring was 36t and the cassette is a 11-36. I rode the large ring everywhere for a month and occasionally had to shift to the smaller ring so I settled on a 34t for my 1x setup. I can ride it everywhere.

1x = less weight and less maintenance.
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I have 3 rings on my current MB so only 8 cogs out back to select from but I'll take your advice. If I can get it to work for me on 8 then 11 should be a walk in the park. I have since read a few articles on singles and one made the point that I would be forced to increase my muscle strength to work within the limited range which would be a nice side benefit.

I have used MT's for fitness for over a decade but I don't go off-road. I just like the stability they provide both from their geometry and their tire size, but it's the rigid fork that drew me to this particular bike. Who needs suspension when you have knees and hips lol.
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Hi all,

What is it in this bike that justifies this price? Compared to a Giant Talon 29-er with about the same price tag, the Talon is equipped with at least Deore (or even SLX,XT on doscounted, older models). Is it the carbon fork, the frame itself, or the tires? I'm really in love with this bike, but i could get an entry level Talon 29er for less than 70% for this price, and still have bucks to upgrade towards full rigid, 1x10.

Everyday usage would be on flat, mixed terrain with some mountain rides at the weekends, and i would like to have only one bike.

Thanks for the help!
Anyone?
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Originally Posted by orbano View Post
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My (very newbie) opinion: I think this category tries to be a bit of everything but, by necessity, has to lean more one way or the other. I liked the Talon a lot, but I thought it leaned more towards being a mountain bike (or perhaps a more aggressive light trail bike). The Toughroad, I thought, was a better compromise in that it works reasonably well on both terrains as equipped but with a change of tires alone I got it to behave quite nicely on paved roads (which I do more of) and still be reasonably decent on light trails.

My own (again, very newbie) sense is that components matter but perhaps not too too much in the category we are talking about. I'm glad I got the Toughroad because it great for what I do - and I think that's important: to figure out your compromise well.
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I don't really know how to compare them for price. One is a MB the other an entry level CX?
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Originally Posted by gsa103 View Post
Depending on your riding, there are 3 solid upgrade paths.

Option 1: Upgrade shifter to a 9-speed RapidFire II shifter (this allows your thumb to shift both up & down) Cost ~$30.
Option 2: Convert to a 1x9/10/11 system. For commuting, 1x10 or 1x11 seems about ideal, and you get to drop a bunch of weight & clutter. Cost ~$20-$150
Option 3: Convert to a 2x10 or 3x10-speed (new cassette, rear derailluer, shifter). Front ~$150, Rear ~$150.
I rode the SLR2 the other day and didn't like a few items (shifters, seat, grips) and thought that the upgrade to the SLR1 might be worth it instead of throwing money at a brand new bike. The post above has, however shed a little light on what I might actually have to upgrade to my liking, and the cost, versus the $430 additional cost for the SLR1. I don't need racks today but I do like the better brakes and shifters of the SLR1. Not sure about the 2 x 10 of the SLR1 versus the 3 x 9 SLR2 but should learn more tomorrow when I test ride the SLR1.

Still having a hard time buying a new bike and upgrading it immediately. Thoughts?
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Old 08-14-16, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LHawes View Post
I rode the SLR2 the other day and didn't like a few items (shifters, seat, grips) and thought that the upgrade to the SLR1 might be worth it instead of throwing money at a brand new bike. The post above has, however shed a little light on what I might actually have to upgrade to my liking, and the cost, versus the $430 additional cost for the SLR1. I don't need racks today but I do like the better brakes and shifters of the SLR1. Not sure about the 2 x 10 of the SLR1 versus the 3 x 9 SLR2 but should learn more tomorrow when I test ride the SLR1.

Still having a hard time buying a new bike and upgrading it immediately. Thoughts?

This may have been covered already in another thread, but just about everyone upgrades the saddle and pedals, and quite often the grips almost immediately.


Even stems get often changed for different lengths and angles(I did this).


Whilst it is not unheard of to change out shifters and derailleurs, most people are not looking to do that when they buy a new bike.


I was happy enough to go with the running gear of the SLR 2 because I wanted some "test data" on what it was like to have a modern triple crank and have low gearing like 22/34.


So far I am leaning to thinking the triple crank is not needed, simply because if I can't take a hill in 32/34, I don't enjoy trying to take it in even lower gears on the small front chain ring.


Now this may be due to me not being fit enough, but I find I get worn out by going so slowly, for so long, up hills in 22/34.


I actually have in a cupboard at home, brand new Shimano XT double chainring cranks(40/28), XT gear levers, XT derailleurs and cassette(11-34) to put on my Toughroad SLR 2 at some point, but for now I am happy enough to collect more data on the stock running gear.
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That was clever col, the #2 is the same as the #1 aside from the gearing which you save hundreds on and now get to put on gearing that is arguably as good or better than the #0 will have
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Originally Posted by coominya View Post
I don't really know how to compare them for price. One is a MB the other an entry level CX?
One is a bycicle, the other is... a bycicle. Frame, drivetrain, wheels, etc. The main differences between this and a cheaper MB are the fork and the frame, so imho it is valid to compare them to see what you get for your money (also a shared attribute is the fact that you have to give money for them)
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That was clever col, the #2 is the same as the #1 aside from the gearing which you save hundreds on and now get to put on gearing that is arguably as good or better than the #0 will have
Even if one wanted to junk the derailleurs, shifters, crank, cassette & chain, on the SLR 2, if you buy from the right online stores, it is cheaper to replace it all with XT gear and end up spending less than a SLR 0 and have arguably a superior bike.

The SLR 0 does come with better brakes and wheels, but I changed my wheels anyway to a more robust 40 spoke version, so that is why when I was able to get my SLR 2 for $900AUD, I jumped at the chance.

When I buy a Surly LHT frame next year, I will then transfer the current SLR 2 running gear to it and install the XT stuff on my SLR 2.
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Even if one wanted to junk the derailleurs, shifters, crank, cassette & chain, on the SLR 2, if you buy from the right online stores, it is cheaper to replace it all with XT gear and end up spending less than a SLR 0 and have arguably a superior bike.
If this is true then upgrading the SLR2 makes sense. Can one really purchase all of those items for less than the $430 difference in price?
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I was happy enough to go with the running gear of the SLR 2 because I wanted some "test data" on what it was like to have a modern triple crank and have low gearing like 22/34.
This is a good point as I haven't ridden modern equipment in quite a while and am really not quite sure what I want at this point.
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If this is true then upgrading the SLR2 makes sense. Can one really purchase all of those items for less than the $430 difference in price?
I was comparing the cost of upgrading the SLR 2, to the SLR 0(which is available in Australia, but not the USA), however it is also interesting to compare it to the SLR 1, which is widely available in many countries.

In Australia, the RRP of the Toughroads is as follows:
SLR 2 = $1,299AUD
SLR 1 = $1,699AUD
SLR 0 = $1,999AUD

Now with the bike guy I go to, he would install the below for approx $100 - $120AUD($77-$92US)

So I could spend $120+$433 = $533AUD/$409US to upgrade my SLR 2 to such an extent, it would overall be a better bike than the SLR 0 & SLR 1.

All these components are from the German online store Bike Discount-de

102.44Euro XT Crankset 10-speed FC-M785 40/28T 175mm
..33.57Euro XT Cassette 10-speed CS-M771 11-36
..20.92Euro XT Front Derailleur FD-M786A Down Swing 2 x 10
..41.93Euro XT Rear Derailleur 10-speed RD-M781 SGS
..60.42Euro XT Gear Shifters Set Rapidfire SL-M780 2-/3x10
..15.04Euro KMC X10-93 Chain 10-speed
..22.95Euro Delivery Charge

297.27Euro or 332.51USD or 432.89AUD

1 Euro = 1.12USD
1 Euro = 1.46AUD
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I was comparing the cost of upgrading the SLR 2, to the SLR 0(which is available in Australia, but not the USA), however it is also interesting to compare it to the SLR 1, which is widely available in many countries.

In Australia, the RRP of the Toughroads is as follows:
SLR 2 = $1,299AUD
SLR 1 = $1,699AUD
SLR 0 = $1,999AUD

Now with the bike guy I go to, he would install the below for approx $100 - $120AUD($77-$92US)

So I could spend $120+$433 = $533AUD/$409US to upgrade my SLR 2 to such an extent, it would overall be a better bike than the SLR 0 & SLR 1.

All these components are from the German online store Bike Discount-de

102.44Euro XT Crankset 10-speed FC-M785 40/28T 175mm
..33.57Euro XT Cassette 10-speed CS-M771 11-36
..20.92Euro XT Front Derailleur FD-M786A Down Swing 2 x 10
..41.93Euro XT Rear Derailleur 10-speed RD-M781 SGS
..60.42Euro XT Gear Shifters Set Rapidfire SL-M780 2-/3x10
..15.04Euro KMC X10-93 Chain 10-speed
..22.95Euro Delivery Charge

297.27Euro or 332.51USD or 432.89AUD

1 Euro = 1.12USD
1 Euro = 1.46AUD
Thanks so much for taking the time to post, it is very much appreciated but I have to be honest and admit I'm a bit lost. There's a $400AUD price difference between the SLR1 and the SLR2 and if one were to spend $533AUD on a 10 speed gear set, which the SLR1 already has, the SLR2 would be a better bike than the SLR1 and the SLR0?

Are the new XT components that much better than the stock Sram components that the SLR1 already has? The SLR1 also has better brakes than the SLR2 as well?

I really wish I knew more about the specific components but it seems like a bit of a wash to me, but more money for the upgraded SLR2. Missing something and I apologize.

I really hope that I do not come off as someone trying to pretend they are expert in such matters as I am surely not, but the logic is still not quite sinking in.

It must be that the XT stuff is far superior to the stock Sram stuff on the SLR1?

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us...specifications
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Thanks so much for taking the time to post, it is very much appreciated but I have to be honest and admit I'm a bit lost. There's a $400AUD price difference between the SLR1 and the SLR2 and if one were to spend $533AUD on a 10 speed gear set, which the SLR1 already has, the SLR2 would be a better bike than the SLR1 and the SLR0?

Are the new XT components that much better than the stock Sram components that the SLR1 already has? The SLR1 also has better brakes than the SLR2 as well?

I really wish I knew more about the specific components but it seems like a bit of a wash to me, but more money for the upgraded SLR2. Missing something and I apologize.

I really hope that I do not come off as someone trying to pretend they are expert in such matters as I am surely not, but the logic is still not quite sinking in.

It must be that the XT stuff is far superior to the stock Sram stuff on the SLR1?

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us...specifications
LHawes, are you in the USA or Australia?

I probably wasn't as clear as I could have been and was largely explaining why for me, the SLR 2 made the most sense, but it may not for everyone else.

Firstly, I wouldn't recommend that someone buy a SLR 2 and upgrade it, instead of buying a SLR 1, unless you had a definite use for the running gear on the SLR 2.
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Secondly, it is largely because I always planned to take the running gear off my SLR 2 and transfer it to a Surly LHT, that I bought the SLR 2, knowing I would then be free to upgrade the SLR 2, to my heart's content.

Thirdly, the Sram stuff on the SLR 1 is decent, but it is more like Deore level in Sram's family tree, which is why I believe the XT upgrades would overall make an updated SLR 2, better overall than a SLR 1, despite the SLR 1 having a better braking system. But keep in mind that "better" here doesn't mean a night and day difference, the SLR 1 is still going to be a fine bike.

Fourthly, if you are based in America, you won't have an option of the SLR 0, in the next 12 months or so, at least.

Fifth & final I think the SLR 0 isn't worth the cost and sadly has a lousy colour scheme.
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LHawes, are you in the USA or Australia?

I probably wasn't as clear as I could have been and was largely explaining why for me, the SLR 2 made the most sense, but it may not for everyone else.

Firstly, I wouldn't recommend that someone buy a SLR 2 and upgrade it, instead of buying a SLR 1, unless you had a definite use for the running gear on the SLR 2.
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Secondly, it is largely because I always planned to take the running gear off my SLR 2 and transfer it to a Surly LHT, that I bought the SLR 2, knowing I would then be free to upgrade the SLR 2, to my heart's content.

Thirdly, the Sram stuff on the SLR 1 is decent, but it is more like Deore level in Sram's family tree, which is why I believe the XT upgrades would overall make an updated SLR 2, better overall than a SLR 1, despite the SLR 1 having a better braking system. But keep in mind that "better" here doesn't mean a night and day difference, the SLR 1 is still going to be a fine bike.

Fourthly, if you are based in America, you won't have an option of the SLR 0, in the next 12 months or so, at least.

Fifth & final I think the SLR 0 isn't worth the cost and sadly has a lousy colour scheme.
I SO appreciate your input and wisdom concerning such things. I have so much to learn and I understand how individual each person and buying needs are. Yes I am in America and will ride both (hopefully) the SLR1 and -2 today to see if there's actual value (for me) in the SLR1.

Hey maybe I'll buy the SLR1 and swap that gear into a Surly Ogre in the distant future?

Again thank you for taking your valuable time to help educate me.
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I SO appreciate your input and wisdom concerning such things. I have so much to learn and I understand how individual each person and buying needs are. Yes I am in America and will ride both (hopefully) the SLR1 and -2 today to see if there's actual value (for me) in the SLR1.

Hey maybe I'll buy the SLR1 and swap that gear into a Surly Ogre in the distant future?

Again thank you for taking your valuable time to help educate me.
If I have been of help to you, that is great, as many people have been of great assistance to me in this forum, so it is nice for me to be able to help someone else out.

In Shimano's Mountain Bike range of components, from their low end to their high end goes something like this:

Tourney
Altus
Acera
Alivio
Deore
SLX
XT
XTR

Now whilst the products get "better" as one works their way up the Shimano range, one of the ways a product is "better", is often because it is simply lighter and that appeals to the Weight Weenies.

That doesn't mean there isn't better engineering involved, but for some of the products like Cranks, the biggest difference between a Deore crank and an XT crank will be weight, as opposed to noticeable performance.

Things get a bit trickier when it comes to derailleurs and shift levers, as it isn't just a weight difference here, but often smoother operation. Still it is often hard to tell the difference between components that are only one rung up the ladder higher, you may need two or three rungs to really appreciate a difference.

Having said that, the SLX is probably the sweet spot in Shimano's range, very close in performance to the XT, which itself is very close in performance to XTR.

XTR seems outrageously priced, considering that XT is available, so when it comes to buying components from Shimano's mountain bike range, I personally won't buy below SLX and will probably just go with XT most times.

SRAM is a bit trickier for me, as I am not as familiar with them, as I am with Shimano and SRAM seems to have even more rungs on their ladder, often making comparisons harder.

Where as once SRAM had X5, X7, X9, X0 etc, they now have lines called GX, S1000, SL-700 etc and it just feels to me like it isn't as clear as the Shimano line up.
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...and will ride both (hopefully) the SLR1 and -2 today (EDIT: WEDNESDAY - LBS WON'T HAVE ONE TILL THEN) to see if there's actual value (for me) in the SLR1..
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Carbon seatpost, racks and 2 x 10 gearing is why I would chose the SLR1 over the SLR2.
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Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
If I have been of help to you, that is great, as many people have been of great assistance to me in this forum, so it is nice for me to be able to help someone else out.

In Shimano's Mountain Bike range of components, from their low end to their high end goes something like this:

Tourney
Altus
Acera
Alivio
Deore
SLX
XT
XTR

Now whilst the products get "better" as one works their way up the Shimano range, one of the ways a product is "better", is often because it is simply lighter and that appeals to the Weight Weenies.

That doesn't mean there isn't better engineering involved, but for some of the products like Cranks, the biggest difference between a Deore crank and an XT crank will be weight, as opposed to noticeable performance.

Things get a bit trickier when it comes to derailleurs and shift levers, as it isn't just a weight difference here, but often smoother operation. Still it is often hard to tell the difference between components that are only one rung up the ladder higher, you may need two or three rungs to really appreciate a difference.

Having said that, the SLX is probably the sweet spot in Shimano's range, very close in performance to the XT, which itself is very close in performance to XTR.

XTR seems outrageously priced, considering that XT is available, so when it comes to buying components from Shimano's mountain bike range, I personally won't buy below SLX and will probably just go with XT most times.

SRAM is a bit trickier for me, as I am not as familiar with them, as I am with Shimano and SRAM seems to have even more rungs on their ladder, often making comparisons harder.

Where as once SRAM had X5, X7, X9, X0 etc, they now have lines called GX, S1000, SL-700 etc and it just feels to me like it isn't as clear as the Shimano line up.
Really good post, Colonel. Might I add one comment re. shifters?

The dividing line in Shimano is between SLX and XT: SLX down, shift levers use bushings (and more plastic). XT and XTR: ball bearings. SLX is great, but XT is noticeably better: smoother, lighter effort, more durable.

Same applies to SRAM: GX, and X7 down, bushings. X9 up: ball bearings.

It's really not a huge thing, but is something to keep in mind if one tends to keep -- as I do -- stuff for a long time.
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Originally Posted by badger1 View Post
Really good post, Colonel. Might I add one comment re. shifters?

The dividing line in Shimano is between SLX and XT: SLX down, shift levers use bushings (and more plastic). XT and XTR: ball bearings. SLX is great, but XT is noticeably better: smoother, lighter effort, more durable.

Same applies to SRAM: GX, and X7 down, bushings. X9 up: ball bearings.

It's really not a huge thing, but is something to keep in mind if one tends to keep -- as I do -- stuff for a long time.
Thanks for that info.

Personally when I buy components, I will likely always get XT gear anyway, with a possible exception for cranks and cassettes, where I'd be happy to go with SLX if the price is right, but obviously I don't want to mislead anyone about the differences in gear levers, which I obviously did.
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