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Old 06-12-17, 12:12 PM   #151
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Yes, that is her only bike, and it performs just fine on those trails. Like you, those are not our primary type of riding, so it's not like we're on them all the time. I should also add that I have lower back problems sometimes, so that was a factor in my choosing a front suspension. And like I said earlier in the thread, I went with a mountain bike with a better suspension than you'll find on a hybrid. Honestly, between the Roam and the ATX Lite, I'd probably go with the ATX Lite. But the Roam is a good bike -- I'm pretty sure you'll be very happy with either one.
Thanks. That helps a lot.

I already was leaning toward the ATX Lite. Your comments just nudged me even further.

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Colonel, regarding the link that you posted below...

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...is this the stem that you have on your ToughRoad?

I found a bike shop that has nearly all of the bikes I have been contemplating over the last few weeks.

After an afternoon of test rides, I've narrowed my list down to two...

- Giant ToughRoad SLR2
- Specialized Crossroads Sport

The Giant ATX Lite and Roam 3 were really nice bikes, but they just didn't "fit" right overall.

The Crossroads Sport was very comfortable, but the ToughRoad SLR2 frame/ride was fantastic, especially with those 50mm tires. The only issue was that my body position felt a little too forward/aggressive. If I can get a 40-degree stem, it might be perfect. Is that what you have on yours?

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Old 06-18-17, 03:43 AM   #153
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Colonel, regarding the link that you posted below...



...is this the stem that you have on your ToughRoad?

I found a bike shop that has nearly all of the bikes I have been contemplating over the last few weeks.

After an afternoon of test rides, I've narrowed my list down to two...

- Giant ToughRoad SLR2
- Specialized Crossroads Sport

The Giant ATX Lite and Roam 3 were really nice bikes, but they just didn't "fit" right overall.

The Crossroads Sport was very comfortable, but the ToughRoad SLR2 frame/ride was fantastic, especially with those 50mm tires. The only issue was that my body position felt a little too forward/aggressive. If I can get a 40-degree stem, it might be perfect. Is that what you have on yours?

Thanks.
Yes the 40 Degree Stem(130mm length) is what I put on my Toughroad and it has worked out very well for me.

Part of the problem I had with getting the bike to fit me properly was finding a saddle that didn't rip me up in the perineum area, so I figured that raising the handlebars would help there and it did.

If I had found my current saddle(Specialized's The Cup) earlier, perhaps I wouldn't have felt the need to raise my handlebars to such an extent.

BTW, one thing that you might prefer on the Toughroad to the Specialized Crossroads is the size of the second chainring on the cranks.

With the Toughroad's crank being 44/32/22, I find I don't ever move out of the 2nd chainring for when I am tackling hills, as 32/34 and 32/30 enables me to take the hills I can take.

The Specialized Crossroads crank is 48/38/28 and the biggest cog in their cassette is 32, compared to the Toughroad's 34, so with the Specialized Crossroads, in the second chainring, your lowest gear would be based off 38/32.

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Yes the 40 Degree Stem(130mm length) is what I put on my Toughroad and it has worked out very well for me.

Part of the problem I had with getting the bike to fit me properly was finding a saddle that didn't rip me up in the perineum area, so I figured that raising the handlebars would help there and it did.

If I had found my current saddle(Specialized's The Cup) earlier, perhaps I wouldn't have felt the need to raise my handlebars to such an extent.
One thing I did like about the Crossroads Sport over the ToughRoad was the ride comfort (i.e. body position).

Is it realistic to think that I can make some adjustments to the ToughRoad (e.g. 40-degree stem, riser handlebar, etc.) to get a more comfortable position, or will that cause unforeseen problems?

For example, when you put on your 40-degree stem, was there enough length in the cables, or did it require you to recable everything (brakes, shifters, etc.)?

Thanks.

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One thing I did like about the Crossroads Sport over the ToughRoad was the ride comfort (i.e. body position).

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The relaxed seat angle on the Crossroads (71 degrees) will cost you if you have any hills to climb. Makes it harder to climb any hills. The Toughroad is 73 degrees.
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The relaxed seat angle on the Crossroads (71 degrees) will cost you if you have any hills to climb. Makes it harder to climb any hills. The Toughroad is 73 degrees.
Thanks.

If I alter the stem/handlebars on the ToughRoad to create a slightly more comfortable ride, how will that affect hill climbing (if I ever need to)?
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One thing I did like about the Crossroads Sport over the ToughRoad was the ride comfort (i.e. body position).

Is it realistic to think that I can make some adjustments to the ToughRoad (e.g. 40-degree stem, riser handlebar, etc.) to get a more comfortable position, or will that cause unforeseen problems?

For example, when you put on your 40-degree stem, was there enough length in the cables, or did it require you to recable everything (brakes, shifters, etc.)?

Thanks.
I was able to fit the 40 degree stem without any re-cabling, but I don't think there is much slack left now, I think the default Giant handlebar is a 20 mm riser at best, maybe even 10 or 15mm, so I am not sure if I would be able to fit a 40mm riser handlebar.

It might fit, but I would be concerned that it is a step too far.
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Old 06-28-17, 02:01 PM   #158
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I know exactly what you mean about feeling every bump. The biggest factor for the tires is being able to run lower pressure. The original tires on my Fuji were 28mm with a range of 80-100 PSI. My current tires are 35mm with a range of 40-65 PSI. So even running them towards the higher end of the range is vastly more comfortable than the low end of the range on the other tires. I had been told that would be the case, but I was still surprised at how much of a difference they made when I actually got them on.

Most of my riding is on the road, so I usually keep them around 60 PSI for lower rolling resistance. And when I'm going to ride less smooth terrain, I can easily drop it to 45 or 50 for comfort.
Well, AU Tiger (and others) were right. I took the Sirrus Sport out last weekend after lowering the air pressure from 100 to 80 PSI on the 32mm tires. With just that small change, there was a noticeable difference in ride comfort. I'm sure 35mm or 38mm tires (with lower pressure) would feel even better.

As recently as this week, I was still interested in a second bike. However, after test-riding again the Giant ToughRoad SLR2 and ATX Lite, neither felt "right". I'm sure I could change the stem angle to get a more comfortable position, but it seemed like the frames just didn't fit right (even though the sizing was correct). As for the Specialized Crossroads Sport, it felt very comfortable, but as prj71 mentioned, I can see where hill climbing would be a problem. I'm going to stick with my Sirrus Sport and look for some new tires.

Thanks again for everyone's help. It was extremely valuable.

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With 35mm cyclocross tires on my Fuji Absolute (a road-oriented hybrid with a rigid carbon fork), I am plenty comfortable on dirt roads and shallow gravel...

...I'd recommend you try CX tires on the Sirrus first. Since switching to them last fall, I've been extremely happy with the ride on all surfaces. I lose very little speed on the roads, and it performs great on dirt and crushed gravel.
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What sort of tires? Something 32 to 38 mm or so with a semi knobby tread. Examples. Panaracer Gravel king (the cyclocross tread), Kenda Kross, Schwalbe Marathon Mondial, Continental Speed King, Clement X'Plor USH, or Michelin Protek Cross. There is a price to be paid, in terms of weight compared to a slick pure road tire, but it is a lot cheaper to swap out tires than it is to buy an entirely new bike.
It took a few weeks but here is an update...

I was extremely close to buying the Schwalbe CX Tires (700x35) as recommended by AU_Tiger. Right before I purchased them I found (locally) two brand new Clement X'Plor USH tires for $30 (total). The Clement's are 700x35 and leave PLENTY of room between the chainstays and seatstays.

Once the tires were on though I noticed a side-to-side wobble on both the front and back. My wheels are true so I tried to "reseat" the tires but that only helped marginally.

Is this a common problem? Is there an easy fix?

I ended up taking it to a LBS and they fixed the problem - just wasn't sure if there was anything else I could have done beforehand.

Thanks as always.

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I found (locally) two brand new Clement X'Plor USH tires for $30 (total). The Clement's are 700x35 and leave PLENTY of room between the chainstays and seatstays.
Nice-looking tires for a good price!

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Once the tires were on though I noticed a side-to-side wobble on both the front and back. My wheels are true so I tried to "reseat" the tires but that only helped marginally.

Is this a common problem? Is there an easy fix?
I don't know how common it is, but I haven't experienced it.
Are you sure you got the axles seated properly when you put the wheels back on the bike?
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I don't know how common it is, but I haven't experienced it. Are you sure you got the axles seated properly when you put the wheels back on the bike?
Thanks, AU. I double-checked to ensure that the wheels were seated properly on the axle, and that the tires were "even" around the rim.

The Clement's are folding-bead whereas the Schwalbe's you suggested (and my OEM Specialized tires) are wire-bead. In your opinion, would that make a difference?
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The Clement's are folding-bead whereas the Schwalbe's you suggested (and my OEM Specialized tires) are wire-bead. In your opinion, would that make a difference?
I can't answer that since I've never used the folding type. Maybe someone else can chime in here. I'm guessing you've probably already tried a Google search (not just limited to this site)?
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Wobble in the tread can come from not having the bead seated properly. The bead type (folding vs. wire) shouldn't affect this.

Where did you get the tires? You said you got them at a great price; I wonder if it's possible that that they were defective returns that were clearanced out or something?

I use Continental Speed Ride tires on one of my hybrids (42-622 with a folding bead) and they run straight, as long as the bead is seated.

I have used cheap tires before where the tread is just "wavy". I wouldn't expect that with Clement, though.
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