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Old 11-01-17, 03:53 PM   #1
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Giant Escape, Winter, Wheels, Tires, Accessories

This thread has a purpose. Due to circumstance, I am now a full-time bike commuter, including winter (when its somewhat reasonable). I bought a Giant Escape City 2016 model this past spring and have been on an exhaustive search deciding and preparing for winter riding, including buying a new set of wheels and studded tires. All decisions and purchases have now been made. I'm posting this thread to pay it forward should another hybrid owner have any of the questions I did (there were many). Beyond that, I'll add how I accessorized my bike in general (not just for winter) and update this thread as I actually ride in the winter to let people know what my experience is with winter tires and the clothing I chose. Lastly, I'll add some pictures if I can figure out how (tried once and failed, uploaded to google pic's and created a url but the link did not work).

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I'm in Elmira, New York. (just saw I need to update my profile to include that)
On another note, I just spent over an hour composing a post and accidentally closed the tab and lost the whole damn thing. Ugh!!! I'll try again later, too bad the forum doesn't auto-save.

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The most important thing I want people to know that it took me forever to find out is this: The 2016 Giant Escape City and Giant Escape 2 use a rear wheel hub that measures 135mm and front hub that measures 100mm. You need to know this if you ever want to buy new wheels and Giant does not publish this anywhere. It took me forever to find the rear hub measurement. Searching for wheels on the internet will give you tons of results that are 100mm front and 130mm rear. These are the WRONG size for a Giant Escape. Its much harder to find the 100mmx135mm wheel for a Hybrid bike. Its likely that all Escape models with rim brakes in any year close to 2016 use the same measurements on their wheel hubs. I almost bought the wrong size, I hope this helps somebody. Much more to come....
(UPDATE): from what I've read but can't confirm, Giant Escape models with disc brakes MAY be using 130mm rear hubs

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Might as well get a couple pic's up, again, much more to come as time permits. Indoor pic is right after I bought it, I've done a lot to it since then which is hard to see.
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The most important thing I want people to know that it took me forever to find out is this: The 2016 Giant Escape City and Giant Escape 2 use a rear wheel hub that measures 135mm and front hub that measures 100mm.
This is common rear and front spacing in the bike industry for years. Not a revelation.

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You need to know this if you ever want to buy new wheels and Giant does not publish this anywhere. It took me forever to find the rear hub measurement.
All you needed to do was measure the distance between the drop outs on the frame with a tape measure or caliper.

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Its much harder to find the 100mmx135mm wheel for a Hybrid bike. Its likely that all Escape models with rim brakes in any year close to 2016 use the same measurements on their wheel hubs. I almost bought the wrong size, I hope this helps somebody. Much more to come....
Took me 30 seconds to find some at Jenson
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subscribed. any pictures of the winter tires on the bike? have you installed them to see if they fit/
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The most important thing I want people to know that it took me forever to find out is this: The 2016 Giant Escape City and Giant Escape 2 use a rear wheel hub that measures 135mm and front hub that measures 100mm. You need to know this if you ever want to buy new wheels and Giant does not publish this anywhere. It took me forever to find the rear hub measurement. Searching for wheels on the internet will give you tons of results that are 100mm front and 130mm rear. These are the WRONG size for a Giant Escape. Its much harder to find the 100mmx135mm wheel for a Hybrid bike. Its likely that all Escape models with rim brakes in any year close to 2016 use the same measurements on their wheel hubs. I almost bought the wrong size, I hope this helps somebody. Much more to come....
100mm front and 135mm rear have been the standard size for a long time on most bikes with QR hubs, most wheel sets for sale are this size, very strange that Giant wouldn’t publish that info on their bike spec sheets ? Anyhow, glad you got it figured out.
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Clearly prj71 has no need for this post but the fact is someone may. Being new to a Hybrid, it was not clear at all that I should have been looking at Mountain bike or 29er wheels to find my size nor was it clear how to take a measurement. My bike is a commuter, I ride it on roads, its call a "city" so how the heck was I to know I should be looking at Mountain bike tires? So like I said, this post is for someone like me who did not know this stuff or even to ask. If I had found a post like this my life would have been much easier. Plus, where were you when I first asked questions? Nice of you to chime in after I have answers. I do not appreciate the condescending tone!

To answer the above question. No, I have not mounted my winter tires yet. Wheels and tires are in the mail. Should have them ready in a week or so and I will post pictures. I did take some measurements of my current wheels and tires and also found measurements of the winter, studded tires I bought. Because I was thorough, I'm sure the wheels and tires will fit just fine. The only clearance problem I may have is with the fenders. Based on my measurements, I should clear just fine in the front, the rear will need adjusting. My current setup measured something like 4.5mm (rim and tire height) and the measurement I found on the new tires is 5mm. So even if I'm off some, I have plenty of clearance in the front. The rear fender has 2 spacers that can be removed and replaced with different sizes. Looks like I only need to replace the one that measures approx 8mm. In sum, I 99% confident they will fit just fine. Giant did I good job an this bike to allow for different size tires. BTW, the tires I bought are 700c Nokian Hakkapeliitta W106-35. This is the best page on the internet talking about winter tires that also gives measurements and has pictures: Studded Bicycle Tires

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Here's the fender spacer (approx 8mm) I'm talking about, as you can see, give lots of room to adjust clearance. The other one is probably half as thick as this one and is at the top of the fender, I have more clearance there and don't think I need to change that one.
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Clearly prj71 has no need for this post but the fact is someone may. Being new to a Hybrid, it was not clear at all that I should have been looking at Mountain bike or 29er wheels to find my size nor was it clear how to take a measurement. My bike is a commuter, I ride it on roads, its call a "city" so how the heck was I to know I should be looking at Mountain bike tires? So like I said, this post is for someone like me who did not know this stuff or even to ask. If I had found a post like this my life would have been much easier. Plus, where were you when I first asked questions? Nice of you to chime in after I have answers. I do not appreciate the condescending tone! To answer the above question. No, I have not mounted my winter tires yet. Wheels and tires are in the mail. Should have them ready in a week or so and I will post pictures. I did take some measurements of my current wheels and tires and also found measurements of the winter, studded tires I bought. Because I was thorough, I'm sure the wheels and tires will fit just fine. The only clearance problem I may have is with the fenders. Based on my measurements, I should clear just fine in the front, the rear will need adjusting. My current setup measured something like 4.5mm (rim and tire height) and the measurement I found on the new tires is 5mm. So even if I'm off some, I have plenty of clearance in the front. The rear fender has 2 spacers that can be removed and replaced with different sizes. Looks like I only need to replace the one that measures approx 8mm. In sum, I 99% confident they will fit just fine. Giant did I good job an this bike to allow for different size tires. BTW, the tires I bought are 700c Nokian Hakkapeliitta W106-35. This is the best page on the internet talking about winter tires that also gives measurements and has pictures: Studded Bicycle Tires
Lol. The easiest thing to do would be to measure between the drop outs to get the spacing. After that, then you go to many of the online retailers and look for the appropriate set of wheels.

If you didn't acquire a tool to measure between the drop outs, or were too lazy to do it at minimum you could have called the bike shop where you bought it.

I guess that's the way society works these days...go on the internet and ask someone instead of using critical thinking skills.

As mentioned in your other thread...you are better off just changing the tires between seasons. It's a lot cheaper.
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Last thing I'll say on this. Do a google search for "700c wheels sale" and tell me how many links take you to a 135mm rear hub set? Click on amazon, look at best sellers for 700c and tell me how many have a 135mm rear hub? Same with ebay. If you don't know that you have a 135mm rear hub and don't search for that then you will see what I encountered. Nearly every set of wheels I clicked on were 130mm for "road" bikes. I'll admit, I'm naive about this stuff but sh*t happens and I'm just trying to help someone else who may do what I did and only see the wrong size wheels thinking they were the right size. I do know the solution, Giant need to put the sizing details on their spec sheet. That's the first place I looked and all it says is 700c, so that's what I searched for, etc. Of course, going to your LBS and asking works but not everyone has a LBS. Below is the only info Giant gives on my bike wheels/tires, if you were new to it, what would you search for based on that info? Moving on...

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I would have measured between the dropouts before doing a search for 700c wheels...
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Thanks Giant for all the details (sarcasm intended)
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Being brand new to all of this, I had no idea about hubs or spacing or tire width or rim width etc. I came here to learn so I don't need to rely on my LBS. I thought that is what these forums were for? Not for experienced riders to tell new riders what they "should" have done. If its all about experienced people talking to each other I guess I came to the wrong place. If that's the case, I'll stop posting before I get pissed
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For what it worth...

(Updates in red) I'll preface this with: If your an experienced biker, this may not interest you. BUT, If you are newer to biking or are just starting out and have wondered things like; what accessories do i need to buy, which one's are the best value, how do other people like it/them, what do I want but don't really need, etc, then I hope this post helps you (I had to do this list for myself cause I was curious how much I've spent so I just added some notes and am now sharing, if you want to know more details about anything on the list, reply or PM me). Here's my list, its long:

What I’ve bought:
2016 Giant Escape City- $583.20
-Hub Locks ($34)
-Cateye Velo 9 Cycling computer-wired type ($19 hardly ever use/look at it, works fine, also nice as a watch)
-Origin8 Bar Ends ($11.48 LOVE them, they are the longer ones of the 2 they sell)
-Mirrycle Mirror ($14.71 LOVE it, wouldn’t ride without it, fully adjustable, great design, I see a ton of people using this)
-Blitzu Gator 390 lumens Lights, front and rear ($16.97 LOVE them, super bright!!! Uses CREE LED’s that throw a wider pattern and USB rechargeable)
-Topeak Road Morph G Pump ($29.99 LOVE it, small, lightweight, works on either kind of valve, mounted to bike)
-Topeak Modula Java Cage ($15.95 Maybe the best thing I bought. Its held up extremely well for a plastic Coffee/bottle holder)
-Kleen Canteen ($33.20 LOVE it)
-Selle Italia Seat ($66.68 OK, this is the best thing I bought, stock seat was HARD, new seat isn’t a pillow but LOVE it, also has some shock absorbing built into it that works well)
-MKS Esprit Pedal 9/16" & reflectors ($34.35 just wanted metal to replace plastic, no complaints)
-Zefal Half toe clips ($5.74 I really like using these, probably gonna have to come off in the winter though, boots won’t work with them, also afraid snow will get packed inside them)
-Giant Liv Helmet ($38.87 nothing special, it’s comfortable, no complaints)
-Krypnonite Evolution series 4 chain lock ($59.99 Not sure I like the weight=6.1 lbs but I love the security, plus they give a warranty for $25 extra that would replace my bike if anyone ever defeated the lock. Also, I look at it this way, the appearance alone is a deterrent, thief would go for easier target)
-2 Zookki Cycling Gloves ($23.90 for 2, LOVE them, inexpensive too)
-Pant straps (~$6-$8 don’t remember, these are neon yellow with Velcro straps for your ankles and glow)
-Topeak HEXUS 2 II 16 Function Multi Bike Tool ($22.65 disappointed, missing sizes I needed)
-Conti Tubes-5 ($29.91 total, 2 for new wheel setup, 3 for spares)
-Rack Trunk Bag ($24.98 Nashbar brand, LOVE IT!, came with rain cover too)
-Strapworks Strap for trunk bag ($11.99 Good idea, don’t use it, still need to sew in some rings for it to attach too on the bag, I did come up with a way to use it using some clips but all I end up doing is carrying the bag by the handle)
-Finish Line Degreaser & 2 kinds of chain grease ($12.71 just went by the reviews, seems fine, degreaser worked great)
-2 Pairs of biker shorts with padding ($30 Nashbar brand, inexpensive, do the job)

Winter Stuff (all are in transit, once received I’ll update):
-1 base layer shirt from Cabala’s ($32) arrived, seems thin but its 100% merino wool which is supposed to be excellent, fits well
-2 base layer longjohns & 1 baselayer shirt from Patagonia ($115.44)
-4 pairs of winter socks ($20.84) arrived, these are great, very well made, thick but could still squeeze in a sneaker https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-pair-Brow...72.m2749.l2649
-Winter gloves ($46.90, biking specific)
-Balaclava ($20+$5.72 to ship back wrong size, bummer-It’s a hat with facemask attached that fits under -your helmet)
-New wheels, cassette (arrived) and studded tires (arrived, the metal studs are smaller than they appear in pictures, new rubber smell, what else can I say) ($485 total, which was a deal for what I got)

What I had that came in handy
-Allen wrenches (see multitool)
-Tire pressure gauge (pump gauge is not accurate, its consistent though, so once you know how far off it is, its fine)
-Leather gloves (fit over my padded gloves, works nice for those in-between temperatures we are having now, 40-50 degrees)
-Rain Suit
-Bungie Cords

What I still need:
Bottle cage (cheap one)>not any more, ordered topeak modula II cage, $8.53, could have gone cheaper but it matches my other holder

And last but not least, my favorite semi-hack. Anyone with a pet who uses Seresto flea and tick collars know they come with these little glow in the dark clips to attach to the collars. Well, I didn’t need my dog or cat to glow so I found some places to clip them on my bike! They look like tiny reflectors except the actually glow in the dark if they sit in sunlight during the day. Cool!

Total before new wheels: $1393.19

***Total with new wheels: $1,878.19> that’s my "all in" cost to be a full time, year round, well prepared commuter riding an entry level hybrid.

Total cost of extra’s only (subtracted bike): $1,295>good thing is that all of this cost is transferable to a new bike if I ever upgrade. A lot of the things I bought will last a long, long time if not forever.

Mickey

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So after riding for 7 months, what could I live without on that list or wish I didn't buy?
_Multi-tool, its handy but I'm grabbing for extra allen wrenches a lot, my only regret on the list, I'd still buy one, just one with more allen sizes on it
_Cycling computer hasn't been of much use to me
_Hub locks are a nice idea but not sure I needed them
_New pedals and toe clips I like but if you want to save money you could do without
_Could probably have bought a cheaper lock but I do really like mine
_the strap for my trunk bag has not been used at all
_the padded biking short definately help but after I bought a new seat and broke it in I find myself not using them very much
_All the winter gear, studded tires and new wheels are a "wait and see" if I actually use them much. I took the path of I'd rather be prepared than sorry I wasn't.
_I would not give up anyting else I bought and if anything broke I'd replace it immediately with the exact same thing
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Up next, more on the wheels I bought and some measurements that may help someone else who went looking for them on the Giant website or in the owners manual and couldn't find them....
UPDATE-measurements now posted later in the thread

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Howdy neighbor, and thanks very much for sharing your data and experience. I am trailing you slightly in preparing my Giant Escape 1 Disc 2017 for its (and my) first attempted winter bike commuting. We will both see how long into the upstate NY snowstorm season these hybrids can carry us. May your commutes seem short, be safe, and be comfortable.

Since I had a lot of practice unmounting tires to fix pinch flats in my first couple of months, I will not get another set of wheels, just swap some grippier tires onto the stock rims. I'm very pleased with how Continental SpeedRide tires have performed on dirt roads, on muddy slates, and on wet grass this fall, so I will try some knobbier Continental cyclocross tires for the winter.

How do you like your Escape? It was this fantastic, economical base bike that seduced me into being an everyday rider after only sporadic riding since my prior bike-commuting period in the late 1970's (!).
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Thanks Giant for all the details (sarcasm intended)
I know what you mean, it does surprise me they didn’t put the hub size on there. Anyhow, good job on figuring it out, and learning from it, and now you can help others figure it out as well.
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Yo, Ithaca in the house. Even though we are only 30 miles apart it always seems to snow more in Ithaca (I'm a Cornell grad) than Elmira and even more in Cortland, but as you know, ya never know, which is why I said I'm not sure how much my winter gear will get used. 2-4 inches or packed down side roads or slushy roads I will try, 5+ inches, forget it unless its around the block for fun. The clothes will get used, riding or not, it always gets cold.
My reason for new wheels and tires was its just plain easier to swap wheels than tires and if your going to use studded tires like I am, you'll want to NOT have them on when roads are clear. It will be nice having both options plus the new wheels were a significant upgrade and if I ever damage a set, I'm good. It was a hard decision but I ended up finding a great deal especially on the tires.
To answer your question, I like my bike very much. As I said though, until I swapped seats, not so much, new seat made all the difference. Took a while to get everything dialed in but I'd say it rides very nice and is faster than I realize. I'll be chugging along and look down and be surprised how fast I'm going considering the effort I'm exerting which is a very good thing. I've only been riding on roads so far and don't have another bike to compare it to but I'm super happy I didn't spend more considering all the other costs that came up. I get a lot of compliments from other riders on my bike. I'm excited to try some snow riding, I'll ease into it, I've been doing that in general. The last time I owned a bike was 30 years ago. Now I'm addicted. May all your travels be safe as well!
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subscribed. any pictures of the winter tires on the bike? have you installed them to see if they fit/
Just to let you know, I did answer you, its buried in a post a 2 down from yours
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Just to let you know, I did answer you, its buried in a post a 2 down from yours

i did see that. i'm still subscribed to see how this all plays out for you. i'm about to bite the bullet on some tires myself but admittedly our usage is going to be totally different. i'm on a GT Grade which is like a road or cyclocross bike with a lot less clearance than your bike.

i feel like at some point if and when i do buy and install the tires - it will be useful to post pictures and information for others to see as well.

in any case, i wish you the best. as posted above, i hope your commutes are short, fun and relaxing. mine have helped me immensely to collect my thoughts before work and regroup after it. so i'm all about teh commuting to work thing.
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i did see that. i'm still subscribed to see how this all plays out for you. i'm about to bite the bullet on some tires myself but admittedly our usage is going to be totally different. i'm on a GT Grade which is like a road or cyclocross bike with a lot less clearance than your bike.

i feel like at some point if and when i do buy and install the tires - it will be useful to post pictures and information for others to see as well.

in any case, i wish you the best. as posted above, i hope your commutes are short, fun and relaxing. mine have helped me immensely to collect my thoughts before work and regroup after it. so i'm all about teh commuting to work thing.
Please do post pictures and measurements too. The whole reason I've been posting is for the next guy/gal who is searching the internet looking for answers. Velocity wheels and yellow jacket bike shop were both reponsive to my inquiries, you should email them with your model and goals and see what they suggest. I was super happy to buy wheels from a USA manufacturer. Not many of them left. Good luck, I have several more posts to make still, hope they help, safe riding to you as well!
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