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Old 09-25-18, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
See now I wouldn't buy this because it's a steel frame.
How come?
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Old 09-25-18, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
How come?
Heavier than aluminum or carbon.

Rust...especially if you don't maintain it with some sort of frame saver material.

As has been noted earlier...they just re-invented a 1980s mountain bike.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Heavier than aluminum or carbon.

Rust...especially if you don't maintain it with some sort of frame saver material.

As has been noted earlier...they just re-invented a 1980s mountain bike.
How many bikes of this style come with a carbon frame, let alone at this price point?


How many people here have had a steel framed bike they have looked after even moderately well, rust out on them?


In respect of aluminium, there is the reasonable possibility that this steel framed bike would provide a more comfortable ride than an aluminium equivalent.
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Old 09-26-18, 08:55 AM
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I find this very interesting. Steel offers more of compliant ride on rough trails like the C&O. This is built with extra water bottle holders on the fork and just appears to be a great touring bike.

I like! Particularly the grey color! If all goes well enough next year, I might,,,maybe,,....in the market for a new bike to do more touring on trails. This was just added to the list!
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Old 09-26-18, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by travbikeman View Post
I find this very interesting. Steel offers more of compliant ride on rough trails like the C&O. This is built with extra water bottle holders on the fork and just appears to be a great touring bike.

I like! Particularly the grey color!
I like the grey as well. I think it looks sharp with those brown sidewall tires. Steel is nice too, and gives a classic look. Jamis have created a nice bike.
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Old 09-26-18, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
How many bikes of this style come with a carbon frame, let alone at this price point?
That is hard to find. I'll give you that.


How many people here have had a steel framed bike they have looked after even moderately well, rust out on them?
That I don't know. But I would rather not have to maintain a bike frame to keep the rust away.


In respect of aluminium, there is the reasonable possibility that this steel framed bike would provide a more comfortable ride than an aluminium equivalent.
Possible. I keep hearing steel rides nicer.

If I bought that bike I would give it carbon fork, carbon bars, carbon wheels and carbon seatpost. Might get it down to the low 20's in weight.
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Old 10-01-18, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
That I don't know. But I would rather not have to maintain a bike frame to keep the rust away.
I have three steel bikes in my basement.

1988 Shwinn World
1996 Giant 520 Boulder (womens)
2000 Trek 720 MT.

The only one with rust is the Shwinn World (I bought new) and it's only cosmetic because my daughter took it to college where it was chained to bike rack for four years when not ridden, exposed to a New England winters. The rust is where the paint was worn off rubbing against the bike rack.

When I bought the 720 MT new I considered the aluminum framed 7200 and 7300. Price was close enough that it didn't matter. What did matter was the ride quality; the aluminum frames were horrible. Had I gone with the aluminum frame I probably won't have it now because the aluminum frames only last so long until they fatigue stress.
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Old 10-01-18, 12:56 PM
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I'm going to freely admit that Colonel has caused me to have some slight interest in this bike. The pricepoint is great for what you get. A few upgrades and this could be a nice gravel bike.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
I'm going to freely admit that Colonel has caused me to have some slight interest in this bike. The pricepoint is great for what you get. A few upgrades and this could be a nice gravel bike.

I'm glad to see I am a positive influence.
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
The weight is from not having hydro-formed frame and the steelfork. the 1x drivetrain already reduced weight.
What it has over the Toughroad are TA and a round seatpost and normal seatpost clamp.
The really oddball seatpost is one of the main reasons I didnít get a Giant. I really liked the bike. But I keep my bikes a long time. And oddball company specific parts usually donít stay in the supply chain after the bike is discontinued.
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Does it have airless tires? Because judging by the pics on their website, at least the front tire appears to have no valve
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Does it have airless tires? Because judging by the pics on their website, at least the front tire appears to have no valve
It's the new wireless technology: AirFi. Like WiFi, only for tires.
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Old 10-29-18, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cs1 View Post


The really oddball seatpost is one of the main reasons I didn’t get a Giant. I really liked the bike. But I keep my bikes a long time. And oddball company specific parts usually don’t stay in the supply chain after the bike is discontinued.
The giant seatpost is the greatest thing invented since sliced bread. The seat is always on straight. Every. Single. Time.

I wish more companies would embrace the D post design.
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Old 10-29-18, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by subgrade View Post
Does it have airless tires? Because judging by the pics on their website, at least the front tire appears to have no valve
It's common for manufacturers to photoshop the valves out on their marketing shots. Either that or what Jonathan said above...
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Sometimes they overdo it with the photoshopping. I ran across this Giant several days ago. Something seemed odd about it, but it took a few seconds for it to dawn on me.


https://pdf.giant-bicycles.com/giant...s-bike-108.pdf
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post
Sometimes they overdo it with the photoshopping. I ran across this Giant several days ago. Something seemed odd about it, but it took a few seconds for it to dawn on me.


https://pdf.giant-bicycles.com/giant...s-bike-108.pdf
Looks like it's missing some cables, pedals and a kick-stand.
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I'd also be interested to try this dual rear derailleur system this bike apparently has:
https://www.gandrs.eu/touring-bikes/...way-urban-100/
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Looks like it's missing some cables, pedals and a kick-stand.
The missing small shift lever was what puzzled me briefly.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
The giant seatpost is the greatest thing invented since sliced bread. The seat is always on straight. Every. Single. Time.

I wish more companies would embrace the D post design.
That is an additional benefit of a D shaped post. Giant uses it for a different reason. If other companies use it do you believe they will adapt a standard or go all ďSpecializedĒ and come up with proprietary standards? It raises other concerns also. If itís a CF frame no problem. An AL or steel frame will need to have the seat tubes shaped to accept it. That or use a very oversize tube with a D insert. All of which increase costs to manufacture in an already cost conscientious market.
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Purchased a Redux 2 for $370 shipped. If this was out when I got the Redux, I'd have taken a look but the price would have probably ended up driving me away as well as it weighing a few pounds more.

Frame compliance is less of an issue with the tire volume and wheel size on this class of bike from the I perspective.

Happy to see more options in the 90s mountain bike redux...err sequel...err urban assult bike class.

Really fun for short commuting through varied terrain and great to town trailer with as well.
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Not to spoil the party, but the excitement from the starter post is evidently about 1x gearing. It's not new to the hybrids' world, Cannondale Quick 2 are regularly SRAM 1x with 38t chainring, but I can see how Quick 2 is usually priced around $1100. This year they introduced Quick LTD with 1x10 Shimano Deore and 42t chainring, $735 msrp and mechanical disc brakes. Given that mechanical discs are lower maintenance than hydraulics, I think Quick LTD wind this battle. But that's just an opinion - there's no "hybrid revolution" in what Jamis did though, that's my point.
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Not to spoil the party, but the excitement from the starter post is evidently about 1x gearing. It's not new to the hybrids' world, Cannondale Quick 2 are regularly SRAM 1x with 38t chainring, but I can see how Quick 2 is usually priced around $1100. This year they introduced Quick LTD with 1x10 Shimano Deore and 42t chainring, $735 msrp and mechanical disc brakes. Given that mechanical discs are lower maintenance than hydraulics, I think Quick LTD wind this battle. But that's just an opinion - there's no "hybrid revolution" in what Jamis did though, that's my point.
There is a lot to like about this bike, but for me, the main thing is that it is all steel.

Also I would never choose mechanical disks over hydraulics.
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Perhaps, you should update the starter post and shift emphasis from 1x gearing (big bold font) towards what youíre saying now excites you the most about this bike; otherwise itís misleading.

Itís an ok ride for those who like it, I agree. But I wouldnít choose steel over aluminum. Excitement is all relative and I should have expected it given the Toughroad is implied to be Ēthe best untilĒ. Hope youíll like it.
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I love what Jamis has done with that bike. Road plus tires. Clean lines in the frame design. Geometry seems on point. 1x gearing. Hydro brakes. I also find it to be an exciting design.
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Perhaps, you should update the starter post and shift emphasis from 1x gearing (big bold font) towards what youíre saying now excites you the most about this bike; otherwise itís misleading.
I doubt anyone will be harmed by any confusion over which feature I like the most about the bike, when there are multiple things that appeal to me.

With the 1 x 10 gearing, I like that Jamis didn't go with a smaller cassette like a 11-34, or even make the bike a 1 x 9.

Highlighting the gearing was also an attempt on my part to highlight what might appeal to most other people on the forum, but at the end of the day I don't think highlighting the gearing when it wasn't the most important thing to me, matters much.
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