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ColonelSanders 09-20-18 08:37 PM

Jamis releases the most exciting Hybrid/Urban bike since the Giant Toughroad
 
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Whilst Trek and Specialized have only been treading water on their hybrid offerings for the last 5 years IMHO, Jamis has taken a leaf out of Giant's book and introduced what looks to me to be an awesome hybrid/urban bike offering.


Called the SEQUEL.


Now if this bike had been around when I purchased my Giant Toughroad, I suspect that I would have bought this bike by Jamis instead. :eek:


For me the bike has the following attributes that excite me:


https://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/sequel.html

  • Jamis Size Specific Design frame geometry, Reynolds 520 double-butted chromoly main tubes
  • Jamis Chromoly fork
  • 12mm thru axle front & rear
  • 1x 10speed, 40T x 11-42 Cassette
  • rack and fender mounts galore
  • 450mm chainstay length in size 21" & 23", 445mm in 19", 440mm in 17", 435 in 15"
  • 28lbs, with 47mm 650b tyres
  • Lovely colour in "Desert Storm" :love:
  • MSRP $949



I often worry for the future of bike manufacturers who aren't part of the Big Four(Trek, Specialized, Giant, Cannondale), so when a smaller maker puts out what looks to be an awesome model like this, I want to push its barrow a bit. :p

desmodue 09-20-18 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by ColonelSanders (Post 20577646)
Whilst Trek and Specialized have only been treading water on their hybrid offerings for the last 5 years IMHO, Jamis has taken a leaf out of Giant's book and introduced what looks to me to be an awesome hybrid/urban bike offering.



Called the SEQUEL.



Now if this bike had been around when I purchased my Giant Toughroad, I suspect that I would have bought this bike by Jamis instead. :eek:



For me the bike has the following attributes that excite me:



https://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/sequel.html
  • Jamis Size Specific Design frame geometry, Reynolds 520 double-butted chromoly main tubes
  • Jamis Chromoly fork
  • 12mm thru axle front & rear
  • 1x 10speed, 40T x 11-42 Cassette
  • rack and fender mounts galore
  • 450mm chainstay length in size 21" & 23", 445mm in 19", 440mm in 17", 435 in 15"
  • 28lbs, with 47mm 650b tyres
  • Lovely colour in "Desert Storm" :love:
  • MSRP $949




I often worry for the future of bike manufacturers who aren't part of the Big Four(Trek, Specialized, Giant, Cannondale), so when a smaller maker puts out what looks to be an awesome model like this, I want to push its barrow a bit. :p


That is a very clean design, and probably offers everything most hybrid riders actually need. It's easy to be seduced into higher priced machines that have a certain "wow" factor, because we tend to be impressed by stuff that doesn't really matter. I bought a carbon hybrid because I just thought it would be cool to have one. There is definitely something to be said for the simple yet elegant design. Really dig the desert sand paint too. it would look good in the back of my Tacoma...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...033262b532.png

ColonelSanders 09-20-18 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by desmodue (Post 20577749)
Really dig the desert sand paint too. it would look good in the back of my Tacoma...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...033262b532.png


They look made for each other. :lol:

andrei_r 09-21-18 05:29 AM

Looks interesting, but 28lbs? Why is it that your typical gravel bike is in the 22-23 lbs range and a flat bar equivalent is 5lbs heavier? It doesn't look particularly more rugged to me. Very functional though.

JonathanGennick 09-21-18 05:37 AM

That's a great looking bike. Clean lines. Love the tire choice. WTB is on a good path with those 47 mm wide tires.

badger1 09-21-18 06:25 AM

Very, very nice bike -- and very well thought-out. Weight seems to me spot on for a bike with a nice but not exotic (light) chromoly frameset (frame and fork) and 47mm tires stock.

DorkDisk 09-21-18 06:28 AM

Jamis has kept the steel banner flying through thick and thin, and for that they get a lot of respect from me. They also did 27.5 before it was a big thing. They are a good company and make nice low key bikes.

That Sequel closely resembles a hardtail MTB, of which I already have many so personally it does not interest me. The frame does have elegant dropouts. Weight is in line with mid level bikes.

hokiefyd 09-21-18 08:07 AM

I'd like to see the price of these "adventure" bikes come down a little bit. That Jamis is nice, but nearly $1,000? Many of the components on it are not high-dollar components, and it's not a light-weight bike. The disc brakes are Shimano MT-200, which aren't even part of a groupset (bottom barrel stuff). It has a basic 1x10 drivetrain, a basic aluminum flat bar, one derailer, one shifter, basic square taper crank and bottom bracket, etc. It's a nice bike, but I think it's more of a $600 bike than a $900+ bike.

But this segment is super popular right now, and I certainly understand Jamis pricing it at market value.

katsup 09-21-18 08:10 AM

I like the look of the Sequel and it would fit in with the flavor of bikes I like. As DorkDisk said, it's basically a modern rigid mountain bike, but I can same that about a lot of hybrids. Good looking bike for someone wanting a new bike.

I wonder if this will eventually replace the Jamis Coda.

ColonelSanders 09-21-18 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by andrei_r (Post 20577939)
Looks interesting, but 28lbs? Why is it that your typical gravel bike is in the 22-23 lbs range and a flat bar equivalent is 5lbs heavier? It doesn't look particularly more rugged to me. Very functional though.

I am guessing the wheels and tyres of this bike are heavier than what you find on your 22-23lb gravel bikes, plus this bike comes with pedals that are probably included in that 28lb figure.

pjthomas 09-21-18 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by andrei_r (Post 20577939)
Looks interesting, but 28lbs? Why is it that your typical gravel bike is in the 22-23 lbs range and a flat bar equivalent is 5lbs heavier? It doesn't look particularly more rugged to me. Very functional though.

CroMoly and really fat tires (for a hybrid)? I admit is a pound heavier than my 720 MT.

tyrion 09-21-18 12:48 PM

Jamis has invented the 1980s mountain bike. ;)

Seriously, it's a nice package, with wide range 1x, disc brakes, and all the mounting points.

csport 09-21-18 12:50 PM

Nice bike! "Hybridized" steel "road+" bike with 1x drivetrain. In this thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/hybrid-bi...i-looking.html
@draco_m was asking about such bikes.

AlmostTrick 09-21-18 12:59 PM

Is that $949 the before or after tariff price?

badger1 09-21-18 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by tyrion (Post 20578716)
Jamis has invented the 1980s mountain bike. ;)

Seriously, it's a nice package, with wide range 1x, disc brakes, and all the mounting points.

Pretty much! I think of this Jamis as a refreshed Trek (Multitrack 750) -- and that's a very good thing.

Sal Bandini 09-21-18 01:40 PM

My son just got the Raleigh Redux, which seems similar to this but in 27.5 and AL. It's a comfortable ride. I could see the appeal of this new Jamis, although it seems a bit overpriced.

JonathanGennick 09-21-18 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Sal Bandini (Post 20578841)
My son just got the Raleigh Redux, which seems similar to this but in 27.5 and AL. It's a comfortable ride. I could see the appeal of this new Jamis, although it seems a bit overpriced.

I think it's priced well. Kona's Dr. Dew is similar, and is priced more or less the same at $1099 for the 2019 edition. There's probably a premium that one pays for the steel frame on the Jamis.

travbikeman 09-21-18 06:23 PM

Why....Why does everyone keep coming out with such great bikes when I have no funds to buy them!!!!!!!

Hmmm, still have room on the credit card.

Liking the ash colored one!

Korax 09-21-18 07:11 PM

Looks somwhat similar to the Breezer Radar Cafe and Doppler Cafe which have been around for awhile. The Doppler comes with classic diamond style frame, stainless fenders and north road type bars. Same general price.

Breezer Bikes - DOPPLER CAFÉ - Bike Overview

Doctor Morbius 09-21-18 07:17 PM

I like it, but it does remind me of a mid-'90s Rockhopper with a few modern appointments. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d03df0a57d.gif Nothing really "new" here.

My old 1993 GT Corrado would be the perfect hybrid today, even though it was considered an MTB at the time. Kinda wish I'd kept it around as I now have plenty of spare parts to make it almost like new again.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d8b27f1507.jpg

HerrKaLeun 09-21-18 08:52 PM

The weight is from not having hydro-formed frame and the steelfork. the 1x drivetrain already reduced weight.
What it has over the Toughroad are TA and a round seatpost and normal seatpost clamp.

JonathanGennick 09-22-18 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius (Post 20579388)
I like it, but it does remind me of a mid-'90s Rockhopper with a few modern appointments. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d03df0a57d.gif Nothing really "new" here.

In broad brush concept there is probably nothing new in the sense of a rigid bike with wide tires, but those over-the-bar-geometry mountain bikes from back in the day really are terrible. For someone with money to spend on a bike, the Jamis is a nice option that comes with decent geometry and modern parts like disk brakes, and I'm liking the wide-road 650b concept a lot these days.

pjthomas 09-24-18 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun (Post 20579528)
The weight is from not having hydro-formed frame and the steelfork. the 1x drivetrain already reduced weight.
What it has over the Toughroad are TA and a round seatpost and normal seatpost clamp.

Hydro forming really only applies to aluminum frames. Aluminum needs to be stiff to avoid fatigue stress so hydro forming allows stiffness to be added in the shape of the tubes. CrMo butted tubes are already about as light as necessary and does not need the same stiffness as aluminum, so hydro forming isn't going to do much, other than looks.

This bike is only a 1.5 lbs heavier than a Trek FX 3 disc (assume both are Medium) which has a hydro formed aluminum frame and a carbon fork. But the frame is CrMo and the tires are much wider.

One thing that is disappointing with both the Sequel and FX3 is they both still use square bottom brakets, which adds weight.

HerrKaLeun 09-24-18 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by pjthomas (Post 20582653)
Hydro forming really only applies to aluminum frames. Aluminum needs to be stiff to avoid fatigue stress so hydro forming allows stiffness to be added in the shape of the tubes. CrMo butted tubes are already about as light as necessary and does not need the same stiffness as aluminum, so hydro forming isn't going to do much, other than looks.

This bike is only a 1.5 lbs heavier than a Trek FX 3 disc (assume both are Medium) which has a hydro formed aluminum frame and a carbon fork. But the frame is CrMo and the tires are much wider.

One thing that is disappointing with both the Sequel and FX3 is they both still use square bottom brakets, which adds weight.

Oh, didn't realize it is a steel bike. My bad.

I wouldn't compare complete bike weights and then draw conclusions for comparing the frames.

prj71 09-25-18 09:56 AM

See now I wouldn't buy this because it's a steel frame.

IMO, the only thing this has over the Toughroad is a thru axles. In my opinion...Giants next version of the Toughroad should have thru axles and a carbon frame option.

Or else take the re-introduced Revolt and have a flat bar option.

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bikes-revolt-advanced

ColonelSanders 09-25-18 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by prj71 (Post 20584954)
See now I wouldn't buy this because it's a steel frame.

How come? :foo:

prj71 09-25-18 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by ColonelSanders (Post 20585010)
How come? :foo:

Heavier than aluminum or carbon.

Rust...especially if you don't maintain it with some sort of frame saver material.

As has been noted earlier...they just re-invented a 1980s mountain bike.

ColonelSanders 09-25-18 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by prj71 (Post 20585357)
Heavier than aluminum or carbon.

Rust...especially if you don't maintain it with some sort of frame saver material.

As has been noted earlier...they just re-invented a 1980s mountain bike.

How many bikes of this style come with a carbon frame, let alone at this price point?


How many people here have had a steel framed bike they have looked after even moderately well, rust out on them?


In respect of aluminium, there is the reasonable possibility that this steel framed bike would provide a more comfortable ride than an aluminium equivalent. :twitchy:

travbikeman 09-26-18 08:55 AM

I find this very interesting. Steel offers more of compliant ride on rough trails like the C&O. This is built with extra water bottle holders on the fork and just appears to be a great touring bike.

I like! Particularly the grey color! If all goes well enough next year, I might,,,maybe,,....in the market for a new bike to do more touring on trails. This was just added to the list!

JonathanGennick 09-26-18 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by travbikeman (Post 20586745)
I find this very interesting. Steel offers more of compliant ride on rough trails like the C&O. This is built with extra water bottle holders on the fork and just appears to be a great touring bike.

I like! Particularly the grey color!

I like the grey as well. I think it looks sharp with those brown sidewall tires. Steel is nice too, and gives a classic look. Jamis have created a nice bike.


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