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Old 09-27-10, 11:12 AM
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Hi. I'm a college student looking for a bike that will suffice in getting me to and from class (2 miles each way on paved road but a bumpy one with slight upgrades) and also for general fitness purposes. I am 5'9" @ 180lbs and going down with an inseam of 31in.
I've been looking through a bunch of bikes the past few weeks and have narrowed down my selection to a few bikes. Sorry to say that I did base most of the eliminations on price alone which although I am not very happy about it, I am also powerless to do anything about it at the moment.
To be honest, I started looking at bikes from the big department stores and found out thankfully that many were not worth the money. After reading through many threads on this forum, there are two particular bikes that I am interested in:

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/dover1.htm

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...cane/jub_x.htm

I have no idea how they compare to each other overall or component by component. I would really appreciate any feedback on the details of the advantages of one over the other. Trying to turn this into a learning experience as well. Thank you for you time in looking into this and giving insight to my situation.

P.S.
Am I right in thinking that these two bikes are superior to the Forge bikes sold by Target? I've seen them popping up in some threads I read and I'm just curious about their quality.
https://forgebikes.com/vero.asp

Thanks again and sorry for the long post.
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I like the Motobecane better, just reading about the Forge bikes, they sound really close. Never have seen
one, though. Looks like you have done your home work already ! Richard
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"Compare at $800"

"MSRP $695"

These figures don't make sense, but I haven't heard anything bad about bikesdirect. A friend rides a Motobecane fixie. He's a big guy and it's holding up fine.

These are not the very famous French and English brands. The frames are made for bikesdirect by Kinesis in China. Kinesis also makes bikes for Trek, Schwinn, GT, Kona, etc. The brands are Motobecane USA and Windsor America. There is no connection with the original companies, Motobecane and Windsor.

I like the Motobecane best of the three. The Forge rear brake placement is interesting, but decreases the brake's power and increases the chance of heel strike.

18 0r 19 inch frame should fit you.

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If you budget is very tight go to Creigslist and pick up a nice used bike.
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Originally Posted by Timber_8
If you budget is very tight go to Creigslist and pick up a nice used bike.
And you are the co-founder of this page, you talked about tolerance on another thread ! ( What bike is he going to get ? ) 250.00 dollars, come on...I thought he did a nice job with his research.. Does he have the the skills
to fix up some old TREK, with a couple hundred in repairs..Get the Motobecane and enjoy, Richard
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Used bikes and Craigslist are two of the most common methods mentioned on BF for those on a budget to buy a bike that is better than one they could afford new. It is an excellent suggestion and offering it does not demean the other alternatives or the OP's research. Would you have reacted the same way if someone had suggested a new Fuji or Cannondale? Suggesting the used market is no different. Not all used bikes are basket cases requiring hundreds of hours and dollars of repairs. It is not terribly uncommon to find very lightly used bikes at hundreds of dollars off their original prices. People trying to make room in their garages do not always care what loss they are taking on a bike they never intend to use again. Some people here claim they never buy new bikes, they always buy on Craigslist. If you are on a budget by all means look at Craigslist. It is a matter of luck to have a model you might really want turn up in excellent condition when you need it but your chances of having that happen are far better than winning the lotto and if you have enough time to wait patiently it is nearly certain that you will score an excellent buy.

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I assume the bikesdirect bikes require assembly so it might actually be easier to get a second hand bike and make adjustments if needed.
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Originally Posted by qmsdc15
I assume the bikesdirect bikes require assembly so it might actually be easier to get a second hand bike and make adjustments if needed.
Now if that is not scraping the bottom of the barrel to bash my post ! I could not imagine what would be...
A bike tune is going to cost what it would, new or used...LOL...I am starting to understand why this stays a
low traffic forum...new people are run off after there first post ! There seems to about 3 brands of bikes
acceptable to ride on this forum, after that your either just ignorant, or just riding junk. It may be do to some
Hybrid riders have inferiority complexes that there not fast roadies, There is hardly a bike made out there
that when properly adjusted and maintained will not get you from point A TO B , if your having trouble
with bike components, you can always upgrade them. The ones that due take the time to post answers
are very good riders who put many miles on there bikes, but may not be the best help to those asking the questions. Average riders or beginners looking to get into biking, and your steering them away with all
the super dollar equipment they need to enjoy cycling ! Rather than encouraging them to ride what they can
afford, and let there own experience tell them when they need to upgrade....I just happen to understand
mechanics, parts, and marketing hype better than some of the new posters, ( but the negative repetitive
responses are even starting to get on my nerves..) normally I just Laugh to myself..Is this forum about
encouraging people to ride or BUY ! So a new person does not have 1500.00 dollars to shell out a new ride,
knows nothing about biking, told to go to craigslist, like telling someone with no car experience, if you can
not afford new, go to the auctions, theres good deals there...And have NO CLUE what to look for..If they
new, THEY definitely wouldn't waste there time posting here...So think of that before bashing a new poster,
I would love to see the Hybrid forum the largest one on BF, as I believe they are a wonderful addition to
the bike world.......Richard
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoxoLive
Now if that is not scraping the bottom of the barrel to bash my post ! I could not imagine what would be...
A bike tune is going to cost what it would, new or used...LOL...I am starting to understand why this stays a
low traffic forum...new people are run off after there first post ! There seems to about 3 brands of bikes
acceptable to ride on this forum, after that your either just ignorant, or just riding junk. It may be do to some
Hybrid riders have inferiority complexes that there not fast roadies, There is hardly a bike made out there
that when properly adjusted and maintained will not get you from point A TO B , if your having trouble
with bike components, you can always upgrade them. The ones that due take the time to post answers
are very good riders who put many miles on there bikes, but may not be the best help to those asking the questions. Average riders or beginners looking to get into biking, and your steering them away with all
the super dollar equipment they need to enjoy cycling ! Rather than encouraging them to ride what they can
afford, and let there own experience tell them when they need to upgrade....I just happen to understand
mechanics, parts, and marketing hype better than some of the new posters, ( but the negative repetitive
responses are even starting to get on my nerves..) normally I just Laugh to myself..Is this forum about
encouraging people to ride or BUY ! So a new person does not have 1500.00 dollars to shell out a new ride,
knows nothing about biking, told to go to craigslist, like telling someone with no car experience, if you can
not afford new, go to the auctions, theres good deals there...And have NO CLUE what to look for..If they
new, THEY definitely wouldn't waste there time posting here...So think of that before bashing a new poster,
I would love to see the Hybrid forum the largest one on BF, as I believe they are a wonderful addition to
the bike world.......Richard
They really have been around for a long time, when I worked at the LBS, 23 years ago,( I'm getting old)
I was riding the most expensive hard tail MTB we sold, with lights street tires, and commuted 9 miles
one way, 18 miles a day, not counting any other riding...When I decided to start biking again 3 years
ago, I bought a MotiveHigh Ridge at a yard sale for 15.00 dollars, had more fun working on it than riding...
About 400.00 dollars later, I was happy, then my over weight self started riding....1 mile trips were huge,
but 75 pounds later, I feel like a kid again....( Have to start somewhere ) That is where most of the people are
posting from....Richard
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You have me mixed up !

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Used bikes and Craigslist are two of the most common methods mentioned on BF for those on a budget to buy a bike that is better than one they could afford new. It is an excellent suggestion and offering it does not demean the other alternatives or the OP's research. Would you have reacted the same way if someone had suggested a new Fuji or Cannondale? Suggesting the used market is no different. Not all used bikes are basket cases requiring hundreds of hours and dollars of repairs. It is not terribly uncommon to find very lightly used bikes at hundreds of dollars off their original prices. People trying to make room in their garages do not always care what loss they are taking on a bike they never intend to use again. Some people here claim they never buy new bikes, they always buy on Craigslist. If you are on a budget by all means look at Craigslist. It is a matter of luck to have a model you might really want turn up in excellent condition when you need it but your chances of having that happen are far better than winning the lotto and if you have enough time to wait patiently it is nearly certain that you will score an excellent buy.

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Fuji or Cannondale,
This a
review of my bike..
and on
components..
....What is
the old joke. Two buzzards sitting on a tree, one says I'm hungry, the other says me to,
Why wait, ( Hell, lets get out and kill something ) Ride what you can.. Richard
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoxoLive
And you are the co-founder of this page, you talked about tolerance on another thread ! ( What bike is he going to get ? ) 250.00 dollars, come on...I thought he did a nice job with his research.. Does he have the the skills
to fix up some old TREK, with a couple hundred in repairs..Get the Motobecane and enjoy, Richard
Bicycles are like gym equipment, Many people buy them with every intention of using them for all kinds of reasons & then they loose interest in them. Parents buy nice bicycles for their teen children & then they get there drivers license & have no use for their bicycles again. There are many people the restore and rebuild bicycles for the love of building them and then sell them. People upgrade bicycles all the time. The OP is looking for advice, The only intolerance in my post is your reaction to it. Perhaps you would better serve the OP by letting the thread run it's coarse so the OP can continue to explore his options and continue his research. You talk about driving a new member away & in his very 1st thread you welcome them by bashing the the comment of another member that suggested looking at Craigslist. You have 3 comments in this thread so far and all of them are bashing the comments other members offering up information to the OP.

By the way I'm not just the co founder of the Hybrid forum I am the founder

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Originally Posted by Timber_8
Bicycles are like gym equipment, Many people buy them with every intention of using them for all kinds of reasons & then they loose interest in them. Parents buy nice bicycles for their teen children & then they get there drivers license & have no use for their bicycles again. There are many people the restore and rebuild bicycles for the love of building them and then sell them. People upgrade bicycles all the time. The OP is looking for advice, The only intolerance in my post is your reaction to it. Perhaps you would better serve the OP by letting the thread run it's coarse so the OP can continue to explore his options and continue his research. You talk about driving a new member away & in his very 1st thread you welcome them by bashing the the comment of another member that suggested looking at Craigslist. You have 3 comments in this thread so far and all of them are bashing the comments other members offering up information to the OP.
Yes my wife bought a new 2000.00 dollars cloths hanger, ( opps I mean treadmill ), I see your point, You need to re read the
post in context, yes I was a little short with you (sorry), but the bikes he had picked were not bad at all, pretty impressive..
(And maybe your right), if I said anything to offend you, I DO apologize, Richard
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoxoLive
Yes my wife bought a new 2000.00 dollars cloths hanger, ( opps I mean treadmill ), I see your point, You need to re read the
post in context, yes I was a little short with you (sorry), but the bikes he had picked were not bad at all, pretty impressive..
(And maybe your right), if I said anything to offend you, I DO apologize, Richard
But when I read them, I said nothing mean to you, except you thought he could do better on Craigslist.. he already had his mind
made up...just wanted feed back on what he had picked..Richard
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I just read every post again, encouraged him on the Motobecane, defended myself against 2 negative post against me..
Since you are the founder, you of all people should be able to tell the difference, check all the post I have ever made..
Never mean, till the last couple days, ( and that was defending myself ! ) Richard
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoxoLive
I just read every post again, encouraged him on the Motobecane, defended myself against 2 negative post against me..
Since you are the founder, you of all people should be able to tell the difference, check all the post I have ever made..
Never mean, till the last couple days, ( and that was defending myself ! ) Richard
I don't have to do that I know who you are. The internet is a strange medium sometimes. Text is easy dehumanization, kind of the same phenomenon that is behind road rage or a dog chasing a bicycle. There are people behind the words, behind the wheel, on the bicycle but somehow when they are put together they become something different and the human element becomes suppressed. No offense taken, life is challenging and people reach out in many ways.
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Buying a used bike can be a wonderful experience if you have the knowledge and skills to make a sound purchase and in these cases you might end up with far more bike for your dollar than you would if you bought new.

Since I have these skills and knowledge (and my own shop) I have not purchased a new bike in over 25 years but for some, a lot of peace of mind can be gained by buying a new bike right off the peg.

And to do this you need to educate yourself and it is always good to develop some basic skills so you can address any issues that arise.

If you lived here I could hook you up with a bike that was 10 times better for about the same price as either of the BD offerings as I volunteer at our local bike co-op and for $250.00 here you will get a pretty stellar ride that has been professionally tuned up and serviced.

I rarely buy / flip bikes at my shop as my business is repairing them, building them, and building wheels and flipping bikes is time consuming and not as profitable... if I do they tend to be pretty high end rides.

This is what I tuned up for the bike co-op tonight... these early 90's American made Treks are very well made bikes and this one has seen almost no use.

Our asking price is $250.00 Cdn which is less than a third of what this bike cost back in '94.



For a 2 miles commute you don't need much bike under you as walking is only a 30 minute exercise but if you plan to ride more and go farther you should always get the best bike you can afford.

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Originally Posted by Timber_8
I don't have to do that I know who you are. The internet is a strange medium sometimes. Text is easy dehumanization, kind of the same phenomenon that is behind road rage or a dog chasing a bicycle. There are people behind the words, behind the wheel, on the bicycle but somehow when they are put together they become something different and the human element becomes suppressed. No offense taken, life is challenging and people reach out in many ways.
Made me smile ! : ) With my hat on backwards, and still raising four kids, I feel great again biking..Richard ( Friends)
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At the OP,s pricepoint my advice would be to stay clear of suspension all together. Very cheap suspension forks do not work well and are not very durable, and why would you want one just for riding to school or on leisure rides ? A rigid fork will last a long time (even the headset if you keep it adjusted) but IMO cheap suspension forks only add weight and possible trouble.
Bikesdirect seems like a great consept to me, what about this one:
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...cane_elite.htm
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Would have to agree on the cheap suspension fork not being needed and on a comfort bike it is also overkill as the rider position and higher volume tyres should make for a pretty comfortable ride on their own.

A decent front suspension fork will cost more than the bikes you are looking at.
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Nice Looking bike..

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Buying a used bike can be a wonderful experience if you have the knowledge and skills to make a sound purchase and in these cases you might end up with far more bike for your dollar than you would if you bought new.

Since I have these skills and knowledge (and my own shop) I have not purchased a new bike in over 25 years but for some, a lot of peace of mind can be gained by buying a new bike right off the peg.

And to do this you need to educate yourself and it is always good to develop some basic skills so you can address any issues that arise.

If you lived here I could hook you up with a bike that was 10 times better for about the same price as either of the BD offerings as I volunteer at our local bike co-op and for $250.00 here you will get a pretty stellar ride that has been professionally tuned up and serviced.

I rarely buy / flip bikes at my shop as my business is repairing them, building them, and building wheels and flipping bikes is time consuming and not as profitable... if I do they tend to be pretty high end rides.

This is what I tuned up for the bike co-op tonight... these early 90's American made Treks are very well made bikes and this one has seen almost no use.

Our asking price is $250.00 Cdn which is less than a third of what this bike cost back in '94.



For a 2 miles commute you don't need much bike under you as walking is only a 30 minute exercise but if you plan to ride more and go farther you should always get the best bike you can afford.
You are a good guy, and I promise, ( I Have Nothing Against Trek ) My wife is from Peru,
and you would not believe how cheap they sell the same parts there, as here... Lets do not talk about walking, ( WE ARE RIDING ! )
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You are a good guy, and I promise, ( I Have Nothing Against Trek ) My wife is from Peru,
and you would not believe how cheap they sell the same parts there, as here... Lets do not talk about walking, ( WE ARE RIDING ! )
There is an interesting black market for parts in that when a company A is contracted to tool up to make x number of expensive bits for company B there is not a lot to stop company A from making a bunch of extras and selling them off at greatly discounted prices to increase their profits.

I am a big fan of early American made Trek bicycles as they tend to be of very high quality frame wise and were fitted out really nicely... the hand built road bikes are every bit as good as any Italian frame and their steel mtb's like the Singletrack above were also rather exceptional.

Besides being a good looking bike, it's ride and handling are dead on perfect... they handle like they are on rails.
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65er, do you sell any off the shelf bikes or only custom builds?
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoxoLive
Fuji or Cannondale,
Yeah, why not. Here is a Fuji that listed at $339, probably sold for $300 in many shops all year long, and likely could be found now in a year end closeout for $250. There is nothing wrong with Fuji or Cannondale or Schwinn or Craigslist or Trek or ... or that bike that Sixty Fiver posted. Wonder if he ships?? The OP did say he wanted a learning experience and making alternative suggestions is a way to educate him as to his options. I don't think anyone has said there is anything wrong with his short list and if that is what he ends up buying and if he wants to continue to hang out here we will surely accept him. As motorcyclists like to say it is not what you ride but that you ride that matters.

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
Would have to agree on the cheap suspension fork not being needed and on a comfort bike it is also overkill as the rider position and higher volume tyres should make for a pretty comfortable ride on their own.

A decent front suspension fork will cost more than the bikes you are looking at.
I do agree also, thought I found me some for my Trailways, Rockshox dart push buttton, 170.00 dollars and was all excited, till I realized
they only fit on 26" wheels.....Darn
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Originally Posted by qmsdc15
"Compare at $800"

"MSRP $695"

These figures don't make sense, but I haven't heard anything bad about bikesdirect. A friend rides a Motobecane fixie. He's a big guy and it's holding up fine.

These are not the very famous French and English brands. The frames are made for bikesdirect by Kinesis in China. Kinesis also makes bikes for Trek, Schwinn, GT, Kona, etc. The brands are Motobecane USA and Windsor America. There is no connection with the original companies, Motobecane and Windsor.

I like the Motobecane best of the three. The Forge rear brake placement is interesting, but decreases the brake's power and increases the chance of heel strike.

18 0r 19 inch frame should fit you.
Thanks for the clarification; did not know that at all haha.
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