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I don't know if these are technically "Hybrids", but they be "BAD"!
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The first is a Pashley "path racer", and the other is the Pashley Sovereign "roadster". The path racer is definitely a "way cool ride". The Sovereign weighs a ton, but is nice and comfortable for the short city rides it is meant for. Just don't plan on walking it up 5 flights of stairs!
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BTW, not hybrids.
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Originally Posted by cycleheimer
(Post 11848299)
The first is a Pashley "path racer", and the other is the Pashley Sovereign "roadster". The path racer is definitely a "way cool ride". The Sovereign weighs a ton, but is nice and comfortable for the short city rides it is meant for. Just don't plan on walking it up 5 flights of stairs!
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Originally Posted by slorollin
(Post 11848473)
Hmmmmmmm..........what's a good word for an object combining traits of separate genres?
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Originally Posted by cycleheimer
(Post 11848572)
Hybrid ... but these aren't exactly somewhere in between a mountain bike and a road bike.
Ken |
Originally Posted by khutch
(Post 11850784)
i don't think we have that requirement here. My fuji "performance hybrid" had only one mtb trait, a flat handlebar. It is really more of a hybrid between a road bike and a touring bike, and even more so since i changed the flat bar for a butterfly bar. As far as i can tell anything that shares traits from two or more traditional categories of any type is accepted as a hybrid here.
Ken |
The problem is the style of bike represented here predates modern road and mountain bikes. More of a common ancestor than the result of cross-breeding. So, in my opinion, not technically hybrids, but similar in many ways to some modern hybrid bikes.
When we try to agree on a definition of a hybrid bike, someone usually points out the fact that modern hybrids are similar to bikes that existed before the divergence to highly specialized machines such as time trial bikes and fully suspended mountain bikes, etc. The more I think about it, the less I understand what a hybrid bike is. :) No bike is cut from whole cloth, they all borrow from what's gone before, often combining elements from different sources. If someone wants to describe any bicycle as a hybrid, I don't think we can state flatly he or she is wrong. |
The Pashley could very well be called a "hybrid" of its time...as many other latter generations. The "hybrid" concept isnt really new, but more highly profiled.
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But they are so damned cool! I used to say that I was happy with my bike and coveted no other. I'm not so sure anymore.
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Originally Posted by cycleheimer
(Post 11848572)
Hybrid ... but these aren't exactly somewhere in between a mountain bike and a road bike.
( Laugh ) ! Cannonondale F4 with conversions, was told that you can not define a Hybrid...You broke the rules, shame on you....Richard : ) |
Originally Posted by khutch
(Post 11850784)
I don't think we have that requirement here. My Fuji "performance hybrid" had only one MTB trait, a flat handlebar. It is really more of a hybrid between a road bike and a touring bike, and even more so since I changed the flat bar for a butterfly bar. As far as I can tell anything that shares traits from two or more traditional categories of any type is accepted as a hybrid here.
Ken Fitness Hybrid is a made up word, ( you can walk for fitness ), say what you mean ( SPEED ), and that is not a Hybrid, sorry....Richard |
Originally Posted by qmsdc15
(Post 11851892)
The problem is the style of bike represented here predates modern road and mountain bikes. More of a common ancestor than the result of cross-breeding. So, in my opinion, not technically hybrids, but similar in many ways to some modern hybrid bikes.
When we try to agree on a definition of a hybrid bike, someone usually points out the fact that modern hybrids are similar to bikes that existed before the divergence to highly specialized machines such as time trial bikes and fully suspended mountain bikes, etc. The more I think about it, the less I understand what a hybrid bike is. :) No bike is cut from whole cloth, they all borrow from what's gone before, often combining elements from different sources. If someone wants to describe any bicycle as a hybrid, I don't think we can state flatly he or she is wrong. bars, and weighs less than 25 pounds, ( not a Hybrid ). Same goes for MTB's, full suspension, 3000.00 dollars, just putting on 26" x 1.5 slicks does not qualifies as a Hybrid. Call them what they are, ( road bikes or MTB's with a little conversions. )...Almost any Hybrid would make a good commuter bike, as long as you not going 30 to 40 mile round trips, ( Why is the definition so complicated ) ? Hybrid - Jack of all trades, ( Master at None )... guess it is just to simple..Richard : ) |
Hybrid is a term coined by marketers to describe a modern line of bicycles that share common characteristics and are best described as the unholy mating of a mountain bike with a road bike :) although they also draw from the classic city bike, like the roadster pictured above.
The line has been getting blurrier and blurrier as companies that originally offered comfort hybrids now offer "performance" hybrids which are a little lighter and a little more aggressive and if you pout drop bars on them they would be almost indistinguishable from a road / touring bike. The path / road racer shown is a reproduction of a vintage road bicycle which by today's standards would seem more like a hybrid... they ran fatter tyres to handle a wider variety of roads and in their day had to deal with a lot more unpaved surfaces but their positioning is fairly aggressive. The Pashley even uses an obscure wheel and tyre size that is no longer common... they run on an English over sized rim that is 635mm. xoxo's Cannondale is not a hybrid if you look at what is was marketed as... it is an XC mountain bike but if we look at what a bike does then we can define it as a hybrid by purpose which is defined by a lack of rigid specialization. This problem exists among road cyclists (racers) too as many ewer riders only consider a road bike to be a bicycle that was built with carbon fibre, super light components, and a multitude of speeds and do not realize that a: most bikes are ridden on the road, and b: road racing bicycles were not always made out of carbon fibre. They would not identify this as being a road bike... and it is a reproduction of sorts as it did not start out it's life as a path / road racer but does stay true to how people built them in the past. http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...mpath2010a.JPG |
They are the ancestors of modern hybrid. The classic English city bike lent its geometry and laid back "fun" ride factor to modern hybrids. Don't knock them. They are versatile city bikes for what they are.
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Great Post !
Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
(Post 11861900)
Hybrid is a term coined by marketers to describe a modern line of bicycles that share common characteristics and are best described as the unholy mating of a mountain bike with a road bike :) although they also draw from the classic city bike, like the roadster pictured above.
The line has been getting blurrier and blurrier as companies that originally offered comfort hybrids now offer "performance" hybrids which are a little lighter and a little more aggressive and if you pout drop bars on them they would be almost indistinguishable from a road / touring bike. The path / road racer shown is a reproduction of a vintage road bicycle which by today's standards would seem more like a hybrid... they ran fatter tyres to handle a wider variety of roads and in their day had to deal with a lot more unpaved surfaces but their positioning is fairly aggressive. The Pashley even uses an obscure wheel and tyre size that is no longer common... they run on an English over sized rim that is 635mm. xoxo's Cannondale is not a hybrid if you look at what is was marketed as... it is an XC mountain bike but if we look at what a bike does then we can define it as a hybrid by purpose which is defined by a lack of rigid specialization. This problem exists among road cyclists (racers) too as many ewer riders only consider a road bike to be a bicycle that was built with carbon fibre, super light components, and a multitude of speeds and do not realize that a: most bikes are ridden on the road, and b: road racing bicycles were not always made out of carbon fibre. They would not identify this as being a road bike... and it is a reproduction of sorts as it did not start out it's life as a path / road racer but does stay true to how people built them in the past. http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...mpath2010a.JPG Road Bike, speed, ( that's all I can think of ( Laugh )..MTB's, rugged off road use, down hill runs, up hill climbs, jumps, you get the point. ( Hybrids ), for that rider that's riding down the road, then decides he wants to catch a trail, or go to the store, or maybe a short tour...( 3 ) completely different styles ! Opps 4 counting the beach cruiser, ( got to have a hot color like fluorescent green..) They are not mutts on the road, just designed for the person who needs a do it all in one bike in the same day....Not having to go home and grab another. Richard : ) :thumb: |
Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
(Post 11861900)
Hybrid is a term coined by marketers to describe a modern line of bicycles that share common characteristics and are best described as the unholy mating of a mountain bike with a road bike :) although they also draw from the classic city bike, like the roadster pictured above.
The line has been getting blurrier and blurrier as companies that originally offered comfort hybrids now offer "performance" hybrids which are a little lighter and a little more aggressive and if you pout drop bars on them they would be almost indistinguishable from a road / touring bike. The path / road racer shown is a reproduction of a vintage road bicycle which by today's standards would seem more like a hybrid... they ran fatter tyres to handle a wider variety of roads and in their day had to deal with a lot more unpaved surfaces but their positioning is fairly aggressive. The Pashley even uses an obscure wheel and tyre size that is no longer common... they run on an English over sized rim that is 635mm. xoxo's Cannondale is not a hybrid if you look at what is was marketed as... it is an XC mountain bike but if we look at what a bike does then we can define it as a hybrid by purpose which is defined by a lack of rigid specialization. This problem exists among road cyclists (racers) too as many ewer riders only consider a road bike to be a bicycle that was built with carbon fibre, super light components, and a multitude of speeds and do not realize that a: most bikes are ridden on the road, and b: road racing bicycles were not always made out of carbon fibre. They would not identify this as being a road bike... and it is a reproduction of sorts as it did not start out it's life as a path / road racer but does stay true to how people built them in the past. http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...mpath2010a.JPG |
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