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Old 02-17-11, 07:35 PM
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Comparing a hybrid to a road bike

So I am really enamoured with this topic right now. I used to have a carbon fiber spec roubaix road bike. I was getting burned out and finding time to ride was getting harder. So I sold the road bike and got a Scott sportster p3 hybrid. This was in the fall of 2009. I hardly road the bike but this winter cabin fever really set in and I'm really excited to start riding again. I got 4 road rides in this week. I am loving this bike. It is so comfortable. I haven't done any long rides on it yet but think it will be really comfortable. I'm sure that riding this bike vs my old road bike, the hybrid would be slower. But I am not convinced it would be all that much slower. That leads me to my question. Have any of you compared times riding your hybrid vs your road bike?

For what its worth my sportster, for those that are not familiar with the bike has 700c wheels and a suspension fork that has lockout. I have 35mm slicks on it. Of course in the road forum they more or less laughed and said I should have a road bike. Ha!
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Looks interesting...



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Here is my bike. Only thing I've done to it is add Cane Creek Ergo II Bar Ends, and switch the tires out for 700 x 35mm Specialized Nimbus Armadillos. Other than that it is stock like this picture. It looks like a hardtail mountain bike in this picture, but the geometry is really right in between the upright positioning of a mountain bike and the stretched out position of a road bike.



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Originally Posted by Sportster2009 View Post
I'm sure that riding this bike vs my old road bike, the hybrid would be slower. But I am not convinced it would be all that much slower. That leads me to my question. Have any of you compared times riding your hybrid vs your road bike?
FWIW, I know my hybrid isn't much slower than a road bike... I ride a 2006 Specialized Sirrus LTD, which is basically a 2006 carbon fiber Roubaix with a straight handlebar. Everything else is pretty much identical-- Ultegra drivetrain, 105 brakes, Shimano R600 wheels. The only difference is the flatbar setup, which I much prefer over drop bars. I lose a couple MPH because I can't tuck into a horizontal aero position, but I don't care. The flat-bar riding position is far more comfortable to me.
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There are very clear differences between my road bike (Specialized Elite) & my Hybrid (Trek FX 2.2) The wt between the 2 is very different, They are also set up very different. The hybrid is set up with fenders, front and rear racks, Butterfly bars, & a assortment bags. The tires and the gearing are also very different as well as the rake on the front forks. The road bike is fairly clean of most accessories. I do have a topeak rack on it for my MTX bag & aero bars but that's about it. It is clearly faster and lighter than the Hybrid & not as rigid. They are both aluminum but the Elite has a carbon fork. The difference in the rake of the forks is very noticeable. The sneakers are noticeably different on the 2 bikes in the ride and handling of the bike I use both bicycles for commuting depending upon the weather or my mood. The hybrid is my touring bike & I bought the road bike for my century riding but they are both used as commuter bikes. I have to say 1 is nothing much like the other in terms of handling, wt.,speed, ride, comfort, 1 is more like an suv and the other is more like a roadster & used about the same as the 2'




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Old 02-18-11, 10:23 AM
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Nice "roadbike" timber ... most roadies would laugh at it because it's been modded to much to remain a roadbike to them i guess.
I see you put the same aerobar on it with bartape ... very nice
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Originally Posted by Sportster2009 View Post
I'm sure that riding this bike vs my old road bike, the hybrid would be slower. But I am not convinced it would be all that much slower. That leads me to my question. Have any of you compared times riding your hybrid vs your road bike?

For what its worth my sportster, for those that are not familiar with the bike has 700c wheels and a suspension fork that has lockout. I have 35mm slicks on it. Of course in the road forum they more or less laughed and said I should have a road bike. Ha!
In general the question has no answer. Hybrids are bicycles which combine elements of two or more of the traditional "pure breeds" of bicycles and as such they cover a very large portion of the bicycle design space. Some (like mine) are so close to being road bikes that there is very little difference in speed as long as one compares them to road bikes in the same price class. Hybrids that are close to being mountain bikes would show much more difference in speed, whether the speed is measured on smooth asphalt or a twisty mountain trail! The winner of one comparison would be the loser of the other of course. Yours is more of a trail hybrid and could be expected to be somewhat slow compared to a road bike, when you measure the speed on the road. With the fork locked out and a set of tires optimized for efficiency on the road that difference could be minimized. An upright posture sure is comfortable. At speed and especially on a windy day it can put you at a huge disadvantage to a roadie because of aerodynamic drag. So you might want to consider trekking bars, aerobars, or other handlebars and accessories to give you both more hand positions to relieve fatigue and a lower body position to fight drag.

The road bike forum is a place where by definition the only possible answer to any question is ROAD BIKE!!

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I am surprised you could not get comfortable on your Roubaix, they have a pretty relaxed geometry. I have a 2004 Elite and really like it for longer rides. I can defiantly tell the difference between it and my more aggressive road bike.


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kaliayev, I did not sell my Roubaix because I could not get comfortable on it. I loved that bike. It was extremely comfortable. I sold it because I was getting burned out, and life circumstances changed. I just did not have time to ride. I figured I should sell it when it was still worth a good bit of money. I couldn't stand the fact that I had a $4000.00 bicycle that was not being used. Just the fact that I had a $4000.00 bicycle was crazy. Anyway, I sold it, and with some of the money I bought the Sportster. The rest of the money went towards bills. Fast forward 2 years, and I'm finding that I miss biking and am getting back into it. I still don't have a lot of extra time, but I am trying to make the most of my spare time. I'm really enjoying the sportster. Perhaps someday I'll get a roadbike again, but I definately will not spend $4000.00 on a bike again. I could see getting something like a Specialized Sirus or Trek FX. I think I'm quickly becoming a fan of the flatbar. With that being said, I do miss my Roubaix, it was a really really nice bike.
At the time I sold my Roubaix, I was also getting into running. With the limited time I had to put towards fitness, I felt I could get a better workout in running. I have been running for the past two years, but am finally at the point where I am just tired of all the nagging injuries that running has brought along with it. So know I'm using my lunch hour to do hill repeats on my bike and will try and get at least one longer ride in on the weekend. When I had the roubaix, I was able to ride a good two hours after work each day before my wife and kids got home. Then I would do a long ride on the weekend. Now I'm limited to being able to ride for 45 minutes or so during the week, and then a longer ride on the weekend.
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Old 02-18-11, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by khutch View Post

The road bike forum is a place where by definition the only possible answer to any question is ROAD BIKE!!

Ken
HA! No doubt about that.
I used to be one of those 'guys'. But somewhere along the way biking became a chore to me. I was taking it way to serious, and putting to much pressure on myself to make sure I got the miles in. And for no reason. I didn't race, I didn't ride in a club. I just got way to serious about it. I got burned out and lost sight of how much 'FUN' it is to ride a bike. I will not let that happen again. I think this bike is helping me keep this perspective.

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Originally Posted by AdelaaR View Post
Nice "roadbike" timber ... most roadies would laugh at it because it's been modded to much to remain a roadbike to them i guess.
I see you put the same aerobar on it with bartape ... very nice
Thank you but there are no mods to my road bike. The only things that are added are the aero bars rear rack and clipless peddles. the only thing that is not roadbike specific is the rear rack. That is a simply a matter of need because I commute with it. However I could really care less what the roadbike forum would say about it. I don't think I have ever even been there.
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Exactly. A roadbike with a rear rack is, to roadies, an unspeakable blasphemy

Is there a noticable difference in speed between your two bikes?
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G"day thought you might be interested.
My p1 sportster was 12.5kg but got it down to 9.1kg it has since been stripped down and components put on JBC carbon frame elsewhere on this forum. It seemed about as fast as most roadbikes.

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Originally Posted by AdelaaR View Post
Exactly. A roadbike with a rear rack is, to roadies, an unspeakable blasphemy

Is there a noticable difference in speed between your two bikes?
Well what can you do, I have been a blasphemer all my life, I guess I might as well be in the roadbike forum as well. I tend to walk my own path anyway. To answer your question yes the roadbike is noticeably faster than the FX. The FX cruses on flat ground at 20 mph & I can average 16 mph and have maxed out at 36 mph. The Secture Elite is lighter and faster but I have not owned it long enough to produce good figures. I bought at the end of the season last fall so the data is not complete. It would not be accurate till I can ride long enough to get constant averages. I can tell you that top speed easily outpaces the FX
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Originally Posted by jbchybridrider View Post
G"day thought you might be interested.
My p1 sportster was 12.5kg but got it down to 9.1kg it has since been stripped down and components put on JBC carbon frame elsewhere on this forum. It seemed about as fast as most roadbikes.

Wow I love your bike!
You really have me thinking again about doing some upgrades to mine like this! I take it the wheels were probably the biggest befenficial upgrade?
I would love to try and put 23mm tires on mine, but I'm worried they will blow of the rims. I doubt the rims on my sportster were made to be used with such skinny tires.

Thanks for sharing, there are not many reviews of the sportster...
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C'mon man. You posted this same question in the road forum... just ride YOUR bike already!
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Originally Posted by renegaderider View Post
C'mon man. You posted this same question in the road forum... just ride YOUR bike already!
It isn't a bad topic & depending on where you live riding isn't a great option right now.
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Originally Posted by renegaderider View Post
C'mon man. You posted this same question in the road forum... just ride YOUR bike already!
Basically all anyone had to say in the road forum was to buy a road bike! I was also told that I would have better ears in this forum. They were right...
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To the original question, I figure 1.5 mph difference in speed at a sustainable pace on my bikes. More like 5 or 6 mph, if I'm really working hard.

But all the things that make my commuter/hybrid slower also make it better for what I use it for. It's 70% heavier than my road bike -- more equipment and loading requires a heavier frame. It's much more upright. And its tires are nearly 50% wider -- more rolling resistance. I would never think of using it for a speed/endurance run. And I would never think of using my road bike to commute. They are two different animals.
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To the original question, I figure 1.5 mph difference in speed at a sustainable pace on my bikes. More like 5 or 6 mph, if I'm really working hard.

But all the things that make my commuter/hybrid slower also make it better for what I use it for. It's 70% heavier than my road bike -- more equipment and loading requires a heavier frame. It's much more upright. And its tires are nearly 50% wider -- more rolling resistance. I would never think of using it for a speed/endurance run. And I would never think of using my road bike to commute. They are two different animals.
This is very true, There is a very big difference in what my Hybrid is capable of doing & what my Road Bike can do. Though I do commute with both there is a big difference in how they are equipped. I use a Topek MTX bag with a quick track system that can easily move from 1 bike to the next so I did incorporate that ability into my road bike. My hybrid is capable of carrying a great deal of equipment as well as better able to deal with all kinds of weather. I consider them A & B bicycles, I will not ride my road bike in bad weather. My MTX bag is with me at all times with or without my bicycle.
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I have a Kona hybrid and a Felt carbon road bike - big difference. My hybrid is terrific, but my legs do get tired on it a lot sooner. Going up hill is much harder, but the triple helps with that. I always get to the top, just at a leisurely pace. Going down hill the hybrid is faster than the road bike (heavier). I have to ride the brakes a bit on a good hill, but it has disk brakes, so they work without fail (and it is uber fun). I don't use the hybrid for speed. The hybrid is really comfy and I can ride until my legs give out and my rear still isn't sore, even though it tends to be jarring over road bumps. On the road bike my rear is sore and my legs aren't even tired yet. I kind of want to put the hybrid saddle on the road bike (is that sacreligious?). I have a sturdy rack on the hybrid and a basket. I like riding somewhere with a nice lunch on the basket.

I don't worry locking the hybrid up and leaving it for a bit in a decent neighborhood. I don't think I will ever do that with the road bike- too much money into it! The road bike is light and easy to ride, especially up hills. If I stop somewhere it is easy to pick up and carry around. The hybrid isn't, but I have a kick stand on it. The hybrid is bullet proof. On the road bike today I gently set it down (no kickstand). When I picked it up it had a little scratch- sheesh!

The road bike is a thing of beauty and people check it out and comment on it. I will take care of it like a valuable toy. The hybrid is loved, but a little mud on it is okay. No one gives the hybrid a second look, but I love that hybrid. The road bike lives in the house. The hybrid lives in the garage.

You can't beat the ease, bumpy road comfort and speed of a carbon road bike. You can't beat the versatility and fun of a hybrid.

There is a place for both.

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A hybrid should not be faster downhill because it is heavier.
At first glance that does seem to make sense, but it doesn't.
What is the difference in weight? a few pounds.
That should not make it considerably faster downhill taking the reduced aerodynamics into acount.
If you go about 40 mph downhill your biggest problem is aerodynamics and so a roadbike should always be faster especially at those speeds regardless of weight.
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If that is the case, then how come when I use it with a bunch of people on road bikes I am always faster than they are on the downhills and slower on the uphill? Sorry- the weight is why it is faster coasting down. My hybrid is heavy with it's rack, disk brakes, heavy duty tires/wheels and frame. I just weighed it- it clocks in at 34.5 pounds without the basket on it. Goodness knows what it weighs fully loaded down, but I love it. My road bike is 17. That is more a few pounds.

To be fair- my hybrid IS aerodynamic. It has drop handles the same as a road bike and I lean over the same as on the road bike. I don't like the sitting straight up position- the wind hits you and drags.


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The road bike is far faster than the hybrid, don't get me wrong, it is only coasting downhill that it is faster than roadbikes also coasting downhill. If the roadbikes were pedaling, I am sure they would beat me. I just got the roadbike, but before that I used the hybrid for everything, including group rides with roadbikers. I sure developed some nice leg muscles!
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Of course theres a difference, otherwise all pro and ambitoius amateur riders are wrong. If you´re an "easy rider" type of bike doesnt matter that much. Either way, the hybrid/sport bikes do well in every corner of the ball park and thats why I like them.
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