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Old 04-16-15, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
Since this appears to be a one way road, why did they have to break it in two?
It's a two-way road.

I'm not sure why you think it is a one-way???


Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
Here's what happens riding on that road.

1. Lane splitting will be very close -- Drivers will lane split the slower moving cyclist real close as they try to obey the law and stay in their lane. While the sign is useful, it's up to the driver to cross into the next lane if they care to give extra room.

2. Speeds will be higher due to the dotted line --- If there was no dotted line, the driver would not be able to guage his speed other then looking at the dash board. That dotted line on the empty road will make the driver feel he is going slower than normal. As a result, he will more than likely drive faster than normal.
Here's what actually happens riding on that road ... as I have done on several occasions.

Because it is a two-way rural road with a speed limit of 80 km/h or less ... and because the traffic on that road is incredibly light ... if a car comes up behind, it pulls into the oncoming traffic lane (cars are free to do so because of the dotted line) and passes at a reasonable speed.

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...Show us your street signs ... and especially your cycling-specific street signs.

...What have you got in your area?
Toronto, around Christmas time, 2014

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There's the one showing the Bicycle Rider flung in the air; off their Bike, by getting their Wheel stuck in the Trolley Track Gap

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There's the one showing the Bicycle Rider flung in the air; off their Bike, by getting their Wheel stuck in the Trolley Track Gap


CUTE!!!!


One of the first thing one learns is how to properly cross RR tracks. Perhaps the sign should read something like:
"Bicycles may swerve for RR track crossings" (my own creation)

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Astoria Has a Tourist Trolley , North Edge of Town along the river shore , part of the MUP route is Trestles Planked in with 5 4X12 between the rails,
and a few more to the sides.

Its only back On "Land" that you can pick a diagonal route, + entering and leaving ends the Trestle, over water .
Other than that You need to pay attention to staying on a Plank.

As they wear and shrink the gaps beween the Planks Widen, doing its own bit of steering control seizure for road Bike Riders ..

Owner of the Specialized dealership in Cannon Beach took a Nasty fall because of that, on His Bike ..
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Our hotel in Astoria, a number of years ago, overlooked that sign ...

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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Perhaps I'll have to dig up a bike riding manual.

Some states have the law:

"Bikes (should/must) ride as far right as (practical/practicable)" which I believe is the appropriate place to ride in many, if not most situations. However, I consider the road conditions as well as the safety of the rider and the overall traffic flow.

Back to the death of Spock, and whether the "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
Skip the manual and read the actual statutes. The FRAP laws in almost every state come with an extensive list of exceptions. Key among those exceptions is the sub-standard lane exception (worded in many different ways). It means, and is explicitly stated as such in many states, that if the lane is not wide enough for a motor vehicle to safely pass while remaining fully in the lane, a cyclist is supposed to ride away from the right edge in order to send a clear signal to the motorist that passing will require a lane change. The width at which the lane is not wide enough to require FRAP is generally considered to be fourteen feet. Clearly, being passed at an illegally close distance fails the test of "practicable".

And yes, the SAFETY needs of the few outweigh the CONVENIENCE desires of the many.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post

CUTE!!!!


One of the first thing one learns is how to properly cross RR tracks. Perhaps the sign should read something like:
"Bicycles may swerve for RR track crossings" (my own creation)

There used to be a similar sign to your creation in Davis where a set of spur tracks crossed 2nd St. Some years ago the area got redeveloped and they removed the spur tracks, so the sign is gone. It didn't have any text, just a bike, the tracks and graphics to indicate that one should take the lane in order to cross them at a right angle. In spite of that, there were a number of folks who managed to take themselves down on the tracks.
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
Since this appears to be a one way road, why did they have to break it in two?

I would have preferred they place a buffered bike lane instead of signs or better yet, no lines at all! I guess that might be asking too much. Here's what happens riding on that road.

1. Lane splitting will be very close -- Drivers will lane split the slower moving cyclist real close as they try to obey the law and stay in their lane. While the sign is useful, it's up to the driver to cross into the next lane if they care to give extra room.

2. Speeds will be higher due to the dotted line --- If there was no dotted line, the driver would not be able to guage his speed other then looking at the dash board. That dotted line on the empty road will make the driver feel he is going slower than normal. As a result, he will more than likely drive faster than normal.
Okay, a little road rules lesson:

This is an Australian road: so we drive on the left (Hint: Victoria == South-east Australian state).

Dotted line: means you may cross the line (e.g. when overtaking, performing a U-turn or entering a road or driveway on the right-hand side of the road). There are a few road markings I'm aware of:

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< and > = direction of travel.

------------------------------------------      : Typical two-way two-lane road
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           Vehicles may cross if safe to
#######         ########         #########        do so.
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <   
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Two way two lane road:
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           Vehicles may NOT cross.
##########################################
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Divider line separating
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           on-coming traffic.  Vehicles
#######         ########         #########        may NOT cross.
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >
##########################################
##########################################
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Divider line separating
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           on-coming traffic.  Vehicles
#######         ########         #########        in the lane marked (1) may
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >   (1)     cross if safe.  Vehicles in
#######         ########         #########        the lane marked (2) may NOT
##########################################        cross.
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <   (2)
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Divider line separating
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           on-coming traffic.  Vehicles
#######         ########         #########        may cross if safe.
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >
#######         ########         #########
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Divider line separating
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           on-coming traffic.  Vehicles
#######         ########         #########        in the lane marked (1) may NOT
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >   (1)     cross.  Vehicles in the lane
##########################################        marked (2) may cross if safe.
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <   (2)
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
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We have similar markings here in the USA (reversed, of course).

However, generally the shoulders/fog lines to the right of a person is painted white.
The shoulder/fog line to the left of a person is yellow.

And that translates into two way roads.The center dashes are generally yellow for 2 way traffic.
The center dashes are white to indicate a multi-lane one way traffic.

Hence the confusion. Seeing white dashes in the middle of a road would indicate one-way.
(also, road signs are generally on the right).

So, the two bicycles in a row. Does that mean to ride single-file, or just that there are bicycles on the road?
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So, the two bicycles in a row. Does that mean to ride single-file, or just that there are bicycles on the road?
Just that there are bicycles on the road.


And all the road lines and dashes are white here. I'd need to pay attention, but I don't think there are any yellow markings.
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Just that there are bicycles on the road.


And all the road lines and dashes are white here. I'd need to pay attention, but I don't think there are any yellow markings.
Alpine regions use yellow lines … e.g. you would have seen them above certain altitudes around the Snowy Mountains. I think it's to aid visibility in snowy conditions.
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Alpine regions use yellow lines e.g. you would have seen them above certain altitudes around the Snowy Mountains.
Yes, you're right.


From my photo collection of the 7 Peaks Alpine Ascent Challenge we did in 2011-12 ...
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On the way up to Mt Hotham ...


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Okay, a little road rules lesson:

This is an Australian road: so we drive on the left (Hint: Victoria == South-east Australian state).

Dotted line: means you may cross the line (e.g. when overtaking, performing a U-turn or entering a road or driveway on the right-hand side of the road). There are a few road markings I'm aware of:

Code:
< and > = direction of travel.

------------------------------------------      : Typical two-way two-lane road
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           Vehicles may cross if safe to
#######         ########         #########        do so.
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <   
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Two way two lane road:
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           Vehicles may NOT cross.
##########################################
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Divider line separating
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           on-coming traffic.  Vehicles
#######         ########         #########        may NOT cross.
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >
##########################################
##########################################
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Divider line separating
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           on-coming traffic.  Vehicles
#######         ########         #########        in the lane marked (1) may
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >   (1)     cross if safe.  Vehicles in
#######         ########         #########        the lane marked (2) may NOT
##########################################        cross.
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <   (2)
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Divider line separating
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           on-coming traffic.  Vehicles
#######         ########         #########        may cross if safe.
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >
#######         ########         #########
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------      : Divider line separating
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >           on-coming traffic.  Vehicles
#######         ########         #########        in the lane marked (1) may NOT
  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >   (1)     cross.  Vehicles in the lane
##########################################        marked (2) may cross if safe.
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <   (2)
#######         ########         #########
  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <  <
------------------------------------------
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That is the McKenzie Pass, HWY 242, Oregon. I think that one was at a pretty low elevation, but there were a couple of them.
That photo was from June 2014.

For those not familiar with it, it is a 4,000 foot, 20 mile hill climb on a narrow, winding 2-lane road, little to no shoulders, and switchbacks. Peak is at 5325 ft. The road is mostly closed to traffic in the winter... so a bicycle paradise.



I consider the "Bikes may use full lane" sign as a special case that just makes sense on this road. I wouldn't put the signs up everywhere. So far I've avoided it during heavy traffic times.
That's a weird landscape. Is that some kind of stone turret on the hill? Why are the rock so bare? New construction?
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Here's another look at Shaw St. in Toronto, not far from the spot shown by Jim from Boston. That's why the sign in his pic says "bicycles excepted" - there's a contraflow bike lane on an otherwise one-way street. Since we're talking about signs, it's interesting that they a put a speed-bump warning sign up even for the cyclists heading north. Another sign of sorts, is the sharrow endorsing southbound cyclists taking the lane.
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That's a weird landscape. Is that some kind of stone turret on the hill? Why are the rock so bare? New construction?
New is all relatively speaking.

Does the FDR Civilian Conservation Corps program from 1935 count as new construction?

Those rocks are relatively young rocks, geologically speaking, at about 3,000 years old.

So, yes, unless you live in Hawaii, they are likely newer rocks than the ones you have in your back yard.

Here is another photo from the top of the Dee Wright Observatory, taken towards Mount Washington.

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New is all relatively speaking.

Does the FDR Civilian Conservation Corps program from 1935 count as new construction?

Those rocks are relatively young rocks, geologically speaking, at about 3,000 years old.

So, yes, unless you live in Hawaii, they are likely newer rocks than the ones you have in your back yard.

Here is another photo from the top of the Dee Wright Observatory, taken towards Mount Washington.

Actually, cooker is from Ontario, home to some of the oldest rocks in the world. These rocks are also bare in many places because the glaciers scoured off the dirt.
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The signs here are nothing special:

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Here's one I didn't like:




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Cyclepath sign in Japan ... we cycled from where the airplane is (that's the airport) to the lake on the left. Beautiful area!


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Not a sign exactly ... but a mural along the Cycleway here in Hobart.

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No photo, but here's the street sign design as it appears in our law.

I know how it looks like, but it's really not there to warn about impending head-on collision of two cyclists. It's for drivers and it's usually coupled with a yield or stop sign. It means the junction they're approaching has a lot of crossing cycle traffic, or that crossing cycle traffic is difficult to see.

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