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Old 01-11-18, 10:55 AM   #1426
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Goats, when they are no longer useful they are dinner.
I would love it if somebody offered goat grazing as a landscaping/lawn moving service.
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EVERY time I have suggested this - except that I wanted to use sheep - (even in Australia) I have been laughed at and considered a nut case....
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EVERY time I have suggested this - except that I wanted to use sheep - (even in Australia) I have been laughed at and considered a nut case....
sheep is a dumb idea!





Just kidding, no pun intended.
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OK, I'll accept your sheepish attempt at humour
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EVERY time I have suggested this - except that I wanted to use sheep - (even in Australia) I have been laughed at and considered a nut case....
Goats will eat nearly anything, sheep are pickier I reckon. They prefer a Michelin rating for their fields.
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Ahhh, the joys of continual "creative thought". LCF is a timeless idea which will become more relevant with the passage of time.

As for trimming lawns, sheep are fine. Lambs would be great for a season... then you can eat them - as millions of foljx in AU, NZ, & UK do. Their droppings eould enhance someone's compost heap too.

The joys of recycling. No pun intended.
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I'll be dead by then, do remember. I want the white Cadillac wagon, not a bike trailer when they dump me next to the dead shopping mall.
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I'll be dead by then, do remember. I want the white Cadillac wagon, not a bike trailer when they dump me next to the dead shopping mall.
Maybe it'll be a driverless drone and you'll be in a cardboard box with a smiley mouth on it

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I would love it if somebody offered goat grazing as a landscaping/lawn moving service.
The county I live in was contracting goats to clear rural roadsides for a few years. I haven't seen it in a year or two, so either they abandoned the plan or they figure they only need to do it every few years and I'll see then again in the future.
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The county I live in was contracting goats to clear rural roadsides for a few years. I haven't seen it in a year or two, so either they abandoned the plan or they figure they only need to do it every few years and I'll see then again in the future.
That county was certainly ahead of "the pack". It would be interesting to find out why they stopped using the goats. Any way that you could email the County Clerk to find out why, and report back to this thread?
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The county I live in was contracting goats to clear rural roadsides for a few years. I haven't seen it in a year or two, so either they abandoned the plan or they figure they only need to do it every few years and I'll see then again in the future.
The problem is that everyone needs to be on board with letting the grass grow. What I've noticed is that people like to mow and I think they keep the mowing costs down by hiring mowers with a high area/time ratio of mowing.

Sadly, I have noticed saplings cut down in various mowed areas, and I suspect it was because it was considered a hassle by the mower to work around them. Using goats and/or just letting native plants grow wild would be better than mowing. If trees sprouted and grew tall enough to shade the bike lanes and sidewalks, it would be much more comfortable biking and walking in hotter months.
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Sadly, I have noticed saplings cut down in various mowed areas, and I suspect it was because it was considered a hassle by the mower to work around them.
No, they mowed them because they didn't want trees there.
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They'll try to grow back, and some 'weed' trees are really hard to get rid of without removing the root system (or, illegally in my state, poisoning them, which ultimately didn't work in one spot).
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Wow people are taking this Amazon thing seriously! What I am actually predicting is that we will see new techniques for secure home delivery, now that it has become so popular (again)
I have the best one.

It's called, "Don't leave stuff on my doorstep unattended", and I make sure every carrier is aware of it.
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I think what many of us really want is another smiling human being bringing our crap to us personally. It's like Christmas every time.
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It's called, "Don't leave stuff on my doorstep unattended", and I make sure every carrier is aware of it.
Wouldn't it be convenient if they had a way of leaving it safely?
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Not in this neighborhood. The neighbor kids turned out to be the culprits a few years ago, we all found out when the family moved out. You just don't leave stuff on the porch unattended, especially when some of those things are antique bikes and their antique parts that cost me as much as your car payment in some cases.
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Not in this neighborhood. The neighbor kids turned out to be the culprits a few years ago, we all found out when the family moved out. You just don't leave stuff on the porch unattended, especially when some of those things are antique bikes and their antique parts that cost me as much as your car payment in some cases.
Exactly. So what you need to save you or the delivery people a lot of extra time and effort, is a new (or old) solution like a lock box or locked shute the delivery guy could access and the thieves can't. A full bike might not fit, but lots of other items could.
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Won't be much to write about. Car free won't be any more of reality 2 years from now vs. what it was 3 years ago.

Automobile sales growth is strong.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...cord/96148368/


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Won't be much to write about. Car free won't be any more of reality 2 years from now vs. what it was 3 years ago.

Automobile sales growth is strong.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...cord/96148368/


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The thread wasn't specifically to predict how much car-free/car-light itself will or will not grow, but about anything related to car-free/car-light living. But anyway, thanks for the prediction.
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I would love it if somebody offered goat grazing as a landscaping/lawn moving service.
They do it around here. Not economical for just normal grass "cutting". But people regularly get their land cleared of bushes, ivy, kudzoo, etc. by hiring a goat man. He shows up at your place and erects an invisible fence around the area to be cleared. Goats eat EVERYTHING so people with flower beds etc. will need to be careful about where the fence goes in. The goats are also penned up with a couple dogs to protect them from coyotes etc.

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The goats are also penned up with a couple dogs to protect them from coyotes etc.
I guess the dogs are easier to manage than donkeys or llamas.
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I guess the dogs are easier to manage than donkeys or llamas.
Two dogs can protect a herd of about 30 goats pretty reliably. I wouldn't expect the same of donkeys or lamas. Especially lamas. Am I ill informed?
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Two dogs can protect a herd of about 30 goats pretty reliably. I wouldn't expect the same of donkeys or lamas. Especially lamas. Am I ill informed?
They are used as livestock guard animals, but I don't know the relative merits vs dogs. Perhaps they are sometimes cheaper to feed, if they graze along with the sheep on a ranch, but I guess a bit harder to transport in this case.

Here's some info: https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/as...rd-animals.pdf
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