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Old 07-29-15, 08:51 AM
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How tough are water proof panniers when it comes to using them to haul groceries?

I was thinking of buying some water proof panniers to primarily use to haul groceries and I was wondering how well they stand up to regularly having cans of produce from a supermarket(and or other heavy or pointy things) stuffed into them?

Or does one buy panniers designed for heavy duty stuff like this, that may not be water proof?

What experiences have people had here using big brand name panniers from the likes of Orteib etc for hauling your groceries, week in, week out?
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I have a pair of Ortlieb Classic back rollers. They're on their uh... I don't know really, maybe 10th year or so, they look very worn but are still waterproof. They are used to haul everything that I can stuff in there. I have had zero problems with the wall/bottom material. I'm not extra careful when I pack them, but I try to avoid obvious hazards with sharp objects. I have managed to break both of the plastic roll closure buckles in winter. Plastic tends to get brittle when it's very cold. This goes for all outdoor gear, I have replaced all the QR buckles in my backapacks too, for example. So Ortliebs are not in any way particulary bad in that respect, and the replacements were easy to find. The actual mounting hardware (also almost entirely plastic) has held up well. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them.

Another vote goes to heavy duty cotton duck Carradice bags. I have one of their larger saddlebags and the bike it's attached to doesn't have any other racks or bags. I use it for light touring and also commuting, so it gets stuffed to capacity every now and then. It too has held up very well.

Neither the Ortliebs or the Carradice are good to carry off the bike when loaded. Ortlieb shoulder straps help a bit, but both are flimsy, painful and unergonomic affairs if you compare them to the carrying systems of even moderately decent backpacking gear.

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Originally Posted by Juha View Post
I have a pair of Ortlieb Classic back rollers. They're on their uh... I don't know really, maybe 10th year or so, they look very worn but are still waterproof. They are used to haul everything that I can stuff in there. I have had zero problems with the wall/bottom material. I'm not extra careful when I pack them, but I try to avoid obvious hazards with sharp objects. I have managed to break both of the plastic roll closure buckles in winter. Plastic tends to get brittle when it's very cold. This goes for all outdoor gear, I have replaced all the QR buckles in my backapacks too, for example. So Ortliebs are not in any way particulary bad in that respect, and the replacements were easy to find. The actual mounting hardware (also almost entirely plastic) has held up well. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them.

Another vote goes to heavy duty cotton duck Carradice bags. I have one of their larger saddlebags and the bike it's attached to doesn't have any other racks or bags. I use it for light touring and also commuting, so it gets stuffed to capacity every now and then. It too has held up very well.

Neither the Ortliebs or the Carradice are good to carry off the bike when loaded. Ortlieb shoulder straps help a bit, but both are flimsy, painful and unergonomic affairs if you compare them to the carrying systems of even moderately decent backpacking gear.

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I'd pretty much will be just using them to haul groceries and I was wondering how well they stood up to multiple tins of tuna, tins of pineapple, bottles of soft drink etc, if I filled the panniers to capacity each time I took it grocery shopping.

I'm guessing the panniers were designed more for carrying clothing & blankets etc and other stuff that whilst it might take up a lot of volume, wasn't that heavy.

A lot of my groceries tend to be quite heavy for the volume they take up.
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Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
I'm guessing the panniers were designed more for carrying clothing & blankets etc and other stuff that whilst it might take up a lot of volume, wasn't that heavy.
What makes you think so?
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I have Ortlieb back rollers from... hmm.. 1993 I believe. I stuffed them with around 10 kilos of fruit. Watermelon, honey dew melon, pineapple, papaya, mango and some other smaller bits and pieces of fruit stuffed into one ortlieb roller. Held up just fine.
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You'll grow sick of hearing the zipper noise on an old pair of Kirtland panniers long before you'd ever actually go through them -- They're pretty much indestructible (although they can after enough years get a bit grimy).
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Originally Posted by Juha View Post
What makes you think so?
Just imagining what people who are touring might be carrying.
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Bought the Nashbar waterproof rear pannier set five years ago for $35 and have used them for both bike camping tours and regular local grocery shopping trips and they're holding up fine. Haven't been at all careful with how I pack my groceries other than to avoid crushing items like fruits/vegies/bread/eggs by keeping them on top. The grocery loads tend to be much heavier than the camping ones but the trips involved are much shorter.
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Have used both outlier and nashbar for school, groceries, camera gear, and other odd objects. Outlier makes a set of classic rollers which are oversized to accommodate odd shapes. Usually just use large timbuk two bag with front basket since panniers can be a chore to carry when off the bike. Also use gym bag and strap to the top of the panniers if more capacity is required.
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I have 2 pairs of Ortleib front panniers. 2nd pair "replaced" the first at 10 years. Just because; nothing wrong with the first at all, at least until I carelessly packed a very sharp knife to a company potluck. A standard raft repair made it as good as new. Those first ones still get used for market runs and every time I want rear panniers. And they still hold water. Yes, I could fill them up, roll the top closed and use them as traditional water bags. Cans? For the most part, cans are lighter than water because they do not pack solid; there is plenty of air in there between the cans. Sharp? If your skin can handle it, so can the Ortleibs.

The materials and construction of the Ortleibs is little different from the rafts that go careening off rocks. They are not delicate!

Edit: The hardware, especially the top clips do need to be replaced periodically. I did my first bag's at 9 or 10 years. Swapping it oiut was easy. Ordering the hardware through a shop was likewise. I suspect doing through Ortleib on like is just as easy. They seem to be a solid company.

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Thanks for the feedback everyone.

It is good to hear that these panniers are more rugged than I thought they might be.

Not sure if I will necessarily get Ortleib brand panniers, but whatever brand I buy, they will definitely be classified as waterproof.
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Just make sure they're rugged. I've bought waterproof dry sacks for kayaking that were very light but also so thin they wore through after very little use. Just from stuffing them in and out of the cargo hatch and sliding them against the kayak hull. Ortlieb Classics are thick and heavy - and durable.

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I use regular panbags for quicker trips to the store, but they aren't waterproof.
Why exactly do you want/need waterproof bags? Not challenging your want, just trying to understand it.
http://www.amazon.com/Bushwhacker-Om.../dp/B00B4ZKZK0 these would be 1/4 to 1/7th the cost of Ortleibs and are right at 50L for the pair, which is larger than the 40L Ortleibs.

For large family trips to the store, we have a converted Burley single kids trailer that I removed the seat from and put a flat wood floor in. Its great and holds 5-6 bags standing, then another 4 stacked up.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
I use regular panbags for quicker trips to the store, but they aren't waterproof.
Why exactly do you want/need waterproof bags? Not challenging your want, just trying to understand it.
Amazon.com: Bushwhacker Omaha - Bicycle Grocery Pannier Cycling Rack Basket Bike Rear Bag - Sold as Pair these would be 1/4 to 1/7th the cost of Ortleibs and are right at 50L for the pair, which is larger than the 40L Ortleibs.
I'm only thinking waterproof bags at this stage as I wanted some options in case I decide on occasion to use the panniers for things other than just a grocery run.

There is a gym I may end up riding to, and if I have to do so in the rain, I didn't want my towel or any other clothing I might have with me to get wet.

Having said that, I would probably be trying to find panniers that are either 50 or 60 Litres volume per pair.
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Any pannier material can be worn through if you carry a metal object with a sharp corner for long enough.
I usually carry some spare clothing and use it to stop can-edges rubbing. You can also use soft packs of durable food such as nuts, as padding. Carradice and ortleib are pretty much even in the durability stakes.
Zipper panniers usually suffer first at the zips. Roll or flap tops soldier on longer and can be overloaded with high volume compressable stuff like bread, without damage to the load.
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One more vote for the Ortliebs. After several years mine are still solid and still look OK.
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Have been using my Ortliebs for grocery runs for 8 years. rears more than the front..

Oregon still has Rainfall .. IDK about Brisbane , other than the occasional flood-mudslide.
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I have found Ortlieb classic and plus panniers to be bomber against mostly-blunt objects but rubbing a guard rail easily wears/melts a hole in them. It doesn't take much contact to burn a hole in one while moving.

This is not a complaint - only an observation.

I regularly carry silverware in a light cotton bag with the rest of my lunch which always includes a fruit-smoothie in a 1-quart mason jar. The light cotton bag is full of holes from this, the Ortlieb panniers that carry the cotton bag are not.

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Here's an idea: How about stuffing an insulated grocery bag in your pannier as a liner? Very water resistant and many have zipper tops. Plus you have the benefit of handles and.....you will always have 2 grocery bags available next time you hit up the local Whole Foods (Or whoever your preferred grocery store/farm market is).
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Carradice heavy cotton canvas keeps things dry because the cotton thread expands , + absorbs Wax nicely to bead up surface rain.
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Thanks for the feedback guys.

It will be a few months before I buy any panniers, but below are a few I have been considering.

Unless I hear of other people having terrible experiences, this pannier is currently leading the pack of what I may end up getting. --> Blackburn Barrier Deluxe - 29Litre single pannier

Also strong contenders are the Altura Dryline - 56Litre for a set of two panniers
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
I use regular panbags for quicker trips to the store, but they aren't waterproof.
Why exactly do you want/need waterproof bags? Not challenging your want, just trying to understand it.
Another thing I forgot to mention, I'm assuming that a waterproof pannier would be easier to clean off grime, than a non-waterproof pannier.
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Yes, waterproof panniers are very easy to clean. I have a set of Ortleib backrollers and they look pretty much like new after 4 years of commuting to work Monday-Friday. I give them a wipe every so often and they're good to go.
BTW, the Ortleib panniers are extremely durable - to the point where I'll have to replace my rear rack long before I have to replace the panniers. I regularly load mine up pretty heavy and I've found that the rack is starting to wear thin on the spots where it makes contact with the panniers. (I use a lightweight aluminium rack from MEC). Riding a bike with heavily loaded panniers significantly alters the way a bicycle handles.
A small trailer (designed to haul kids) as a grocery hauler might be another option for you to consider.
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Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
One more vote for the Ortliebs. After several years mine are still solid and still look OK.
Add me on that list too.. I've had many pannier bags..Ortliebs i swap from bike to bike carrying everything from beer, fruit, cat litter, gym clothes..pouring rain, things stay try as a bone. As others have pointed out no zippers to worry about (they all eventually go). I also like the fact i can leave the top of the bags open if I have some very long stuff (like fishing rods) i'm carrying.
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Yes, waterproof panniers are very easy to clean. I have a set of Ortleib backrollers and they look pretty much like new after 4 years of commuting to work Monday-Friday. I give them a wipe every so often and they're good to go.
I figured out Saturday after a farmer's market run and some crushed fruit a really easy way to clean the insides. A squirt of dish soap. A couple of cups of very hot water. Roll the top shut and clip. With hands holding the top, shake hard. Empty into sink. Repeat until water is clear. Leave upside down in the sink. You don't even have to get your hands wet.

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