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Old 10-01-15, 04:40 PM
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Bikes as Common as Spare Tires

What would it take to make bikes as standard a component on cars and trucks as spare tires? When a car breaks down, the driver is stranded. When parking is scarce, walking from an available parking spot to one's destination can be time-consuming. If bikes were built into car/truck chassises the way spare tires and jacks are, they would not compete with trunk room or obstruct rear doors/trunks the way bike racks can.

Has this idea been discussed before? Has it been tried? How would you design a bike to fit within the frame of a car or truck so it's out of the way but can still easily be removed and stowed?

Would people develop different parking behaviors and take advantage of the built-in bike, or would they largely ignore it, the way people ignore the spare tire and call roadside assistance when they get a flat?
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What would it take to make bikes as standard a component on cars and trucks as spare tires? When a car breaks down, the driver is stranded. When parking is scarce, walking from an available parking spot to one's destination can be time-consuming. If bikes were built into car/truck chassises the way spare tires and jacks are, they would not compete with trunk room or obstruct rear doors/trunks the way bike racks can.

Has this idea been discussed before? Has it been tried? How would you design a bike to fit within the frame of a car or truck so it's out of the way but can still easily be removed and stowed?

Would people develop different parking behaviors and take advantage of the built-in bike, or would they largely ignore it, the way people ignore the spare tire and call roadside assistance when they get a flat?
A) We own more than 20 bicycles already. We don't need built-in bicycles.

B) Two of our bicycles are folding bikes. If we needed to stow a bicycle in a car trunk, we'd use them.

C) If people wanted to carry bicycles around with them, they would. There are a wide variety of folders available in a wide range of prices.
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I think some type of a folding bike would be best because it doesn't take up too much room...Then again, if a driver gets stranded they will have to call roadside assistance and get a ride with a tow truck. You can't just abandon and leave your broken car on the road. After that they can take public transit or a taxi or rent a car while they are waiting for their vehicle to get fixed. A bicycle would be a last choice for majority of people out there.
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A friend recently got a flat tire in a busy parking lot. As he repaired it, many people came by and volunteered to call a tire service for him. No one volunteered to help him change the tire.

It was guessed that this happened because most people don't know how to change a tire. It's also possible that they are too lazy or averse to getting dirty. I suspect that having a speed dial number to Uber or a taxi would be popular, while a bicycle backup would have a limited market.
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One day at my old job, the owner of the company noticed my bike on my roof rack out in the parking lot. He asked if I was going biking after work. I told him, "No, that is for when my car breaks down. I just push it into the ditch and keep going."

My car was a real POS; the boss wasn't sure if I was serious or being a smartass.
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Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
A friend recently got a flat tire in a busy parking lot. As he repaired it, many people came by and volunteered to call a tire service for him. No one volunteered to help him change the tire.

It was guessed that this happened because most people don't know how to change a tire. It's also possible that they are too lazy or averse to getting dirty. I suspect that having a speed dial number to Uber or a taxi would be popular, while a bicycle backup would have a limited market.
Another guess might be that changing a wheel is a one person job and it was obvious to passerby's that your friend was quite capable of doing the work if he chose to do so. Too many cooks, ya know.

BTW, as you travel about on your bike do you stop and help homeowner paint their home or help them do the yardwork? Or help strangers wash their car? I imagine you as well as I would answer no, and probably resent someone suggesting we did not volunteer to help because we were lazy or averse to getting dirty.
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Maybe sellers of POS cars (or better yet all cars) should be required to equip each car with a tent and sleeping bags for all passengers in case they can't find sleeping quarters that suit their fancy and need to go stealth camping.

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A bike is my preferred backup vehicle. I've ridden home from three-mechanical failures and once because the keys were locked in the car. I tend to use a POS as my mountain bike hauler and I guess it shows. :blush:

I'm guessing that this is something that sets me apart from society rather than a case where I am in alignment with the masses but a bike solves more problems than a spare tire.
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Originally Posted by tandempower View Post
If bikes were built into car/truck chassises the way spare tires and jacks are, they would not compete with trunk room or obstruct rear doors/trunks the way bike racks can.
The makers of folding bikes have already worked hard to trim and streamline them to get them to fit into suitcases, or into storage cupboards on yachts or RVs, and even so, they're still kind of bulky and inconvenient to stow, or you actually have to disassemble them to fit in airline luggage. So it's not going to be easy to design one that can lurk out of sight in the structure of a Mini of Fiat and that you can pull out and quickly set up to ride on. And unlike a spare wheel, where pretty well every car needs one, only a small minority of people (yes, you, Bug Shield) are going to want to bike away from a stranded car, so there is no pressure on automakers to incorporate that as a universal feature.

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What would it take to make bikes as standard a component on cars and trucks as spare tires? When a car breaks down, the driver is stranded. When parking is scarce, walking from an available parking spot to one's destination can be time-consuming. If bikes were built into car/truck chassises the way spare tires and jacks are, they would not compete with trunk room or obstruct rear doors/trunks the way bike racks can.
Whilst I was out walking at lunch, I thought about this scenario ... when have we encountered a situation where parking is scarce? That's a rare situation, however, I did think of something.

Sometimes when we go to the Theatre or Symphony, parking can be a little bit difficult to find and we often have to walk about 1 km to the theatre or concert hall because we've ended up parking that far away.

So now I'm envisioning the scene ...

It's dark and slightly chilly. Rowan is dressed in his best suit and I am in a long dress and high heels.

We've parked and now we are about to dislodge and unfurl a pair of folding bikes from the hole they've been buried in to keep them out of the way of doors, and also not take up trunk space.

We have folding bikes and from experience the unfurling process usually ends up being a bit dirty and greasy, but we've been extra careful so we've only got a little bit of grease on our hands, maybe a smudge or two of dust or grease on our outfits, and a little smear across our noses or cheeks.

Now, I hitch my long dress up and sling the skirt over my arm to keep it out of the way. I carefully place my high-heeled shoes on the pedals and off I go in a whirl of fancy dress. Meanwhile Rowan tucks his suit pant leg into his dress sock, and he is ready to roll.

We've arrived! And amazingly somehow managed to get there without getting my skirts caught up in the chain too badly. I have, however, flashed several motorists. Fortunately it is dark, so they aren't quite sure what they've just seen.

Now we've got to find a secure place to lock the bicycles. Oh, there's one, about 200 metres back up the way we just came.

And in we go ... looking somewhat dusty and dishevelled.



Somehow, I think I'd rather deal with the situation the way we currently do. We walk.
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Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
A friend recently got a flat tire in a busy parking lot. As he repaired it, many people came by and volunteered to call a tire service for him. No one volunteered to help him change the tire.

It was guessed that this happened because most people don't know how to change a tire. It's also possible that they are too lazy or averse to getting dirty. I suspect that having a speed dial number to Uber or a taxi would be popular, while a bicycle backup would have a limited market.

That brings to mind an experience from high school. A buddy and me were at the movies, came out, and he had a flat tire on his car. We DID know how to fix it, and proceeded to do so. As we were fixing it, a guy comes up and asks if we need any help. Told him no, we could handle it. Instead of going on his way, he keeps standing there, talking to us. That kind of creeped us out - it was dark out, and we did not want to chat with this gentleman.

As an excuse to get away from him, my friend carried the flat tire (which was now removed from the car) over to a section of the parking lot that had better light, to get a look at it. The guy follows us over there, which now REALLY creeps us out.

The guy keeps talking - it soon becomes clear that he doesn't care so much about our car troubles as he does about our SOULS. And then proceeds to start telling us all about God and Jesus. We quickly made it clear we did not require any assistance with that either!
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Whilst I was out walking at lunch, I thought about this scenario ... when have we encountered a situation where parking is scarce? That's a rare situation, however, I did think of something.

Sometimes when we go to the Theatre or Symphony, parking can be a little bit difficult to find and we often have to walk about 1 km to the theatre or concert hall because we've ended up parking that far away.

So now I'm envisioning the scene ...

It's dark and slightly chilly. Rowan is dressed in his best suit and I am in a long dress and high heels.

We've parked and now we are about to dislodge and unfurl a pair of folding bikes from the hole they've been buried in to keep them out of the way of doors, and also not take up trunk space.

We have folding bikes and from experience the unfurling process usually ends up being a bit dirty and greasy, but we've been extra careful so we've only got a little bit of grease on our hands, maybe a smudge or two of dust or grease on our outfits, and a little smear across our noses or cheeks.

Now, I hitch my long dress up and sling the skirt over my arm to keep it out of the way. I carefully place my high-heeled shoes on the pedals and off I go in a whirl of fancy dress. Meanwhile Rowan tucks his suit pant leg into his dress sock, and he is ready to roll.

We've arrived! And amazingly somehow managed to get there without getting my skirts caught up in the chain too badly. I have, however, flashed several motorists. Fortunately it is dark, so they aren't quite sure what they've just seen.

Now we've got to find a secure place to lock the bicycles. Oh, there's one, about 200 metres back up the way we just came.

And in we go ... looking somewhat dusty and dishevelled.



Somehow, I think I'd rather deal with the situation the way we currently do. We walk.
We have had a number of threads about riding bikes while wearing a dress or skirt. Maybe the next time you're rummaging around in the forum archives, you will be able to find some useful information about this subject.
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Oh boy. A whole thread about how your car should be outfitted for (presumably) emergency bicycle riding. Hardly LCF to spend your time talking about having bicycles on cars.
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For cars to continue the trend of becoming lower and lower quality to the point where breakdowns are a common ocurrence. You could accomplish this by mandating more useless sensors and unnecessary electronics in cars to make them less functional and more likely to stop working for no good reason. Better hurry tho or the US congress wil beat you to it.
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I'm a little cycnical about car companies co-marketing bikes. They get get good PR out of the advertising as it makes them seem green, but I doubt that many Ford purchasers will actually buy and use that bike.
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At least that looks a little more practical than this monstrosity.

http://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bi...tion-ford.html

I think the idea of the "patent" is to share bike parts with other car parts such as the jack, and to use the bike tires as a spare tire on the car.
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The topic of this thread is about whether or not your car should come with a bicycle. But the topic of this forum is about living your life without a car.

Why would you give a rats ass what comes on the car you don't have??
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Would people develop different parking behaviors and take advantage of the built-in bike, or would they largely ignore it, the way people ignore the spare tire and call roadside assistance when they get a flat?
Points for thinking way outside the box -- again -- but I would expect the average number of deflated tires in the trunk to grow to 3, and the vast majority of people would decry the extra cost of needing to buy a bicycle with their car. At the very least, it would become an option that few would choose.

People don't mind babysitting their broken-down car while help arrives. It's normal, the other people will understand.
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I hate parking meters. So I'm one of those who will park in a residential neighborhood and walk a half a mile to avoid the meter.... at least while I was driving. On the bike I just roll up to the destination.

So, a quality fast-fold bike might have been worth considering.

That Ford bike looks nice, but it still takes up the entire trunk.
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In what way is a bicycle a substitute for a spare tire on an automobile?
A spare tire gets one underway again in short order, substituting a bicycle for a spare would be like substituting the spare tube in the flats kit on my bike for a bag of peanuts: Useless.

Basic Requirements Planning: What is necessary to get vehicles with flat tires moving again that can be carried in/on the vehicle that has served well for the last century?

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We have had a number of threads about riding bikes while wearing a dress or skirt. Maybe the next time you're rummaging around in the forum archives, you will be able to find some useful information about this subject.
Laugh, Roody, laugh.

Don't take things so seriously.

It was meant to be a light-hearted funny story.
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What is necessary to get vehicles with flat tires moving again that can be carried in/on the vehicle that has served well for the last century?
Perhaps the proposed screenplay of a spare bicycle replacing a spare wheel may be necessary for someone dreaming of a scenario where motor vehicles can be stopped or delayed from ever moving again.
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