350htrr

https://www.ceis-caribenergy.org/port...-energy-alone/ And people say it can't be done... Err.. make that Norway, not the Netherlands thread...

Ekdog

Yes, I saw that. It's just the beginning. Clean, renewable energy is here to stay, despite what the fossil fuel lovers who troll this subforum say.

wolfchild

Posting threads and having discussions about green energy is what I would consider trolling, because it has absolutely nothing to do with transportational cycling , living car-free or living car-light...I said this before and I'll say it again: Green energy is the biggest scam this world has ever seen, with billions of dollars wasted for nothing. Green energy will make life very expensive for future generations.

Walter S

For many people living car free part of their motivation revolves around having a reduced negative impact on our environment and climate change. Not everybody agrees with you that it's a scam. That kind of talk is common with some of the car lovers that thrive on trying to convince the car free to conform. I'm sure we should all blindly agree with you and give up our tree hugging ways?

Ekdog

If I ever reach a state in which I can't pedal very well due to old age or injury, it's nice to know that I could get an electric bike and that I when I plug it in the energy will be coming from a clean source. Riding around on a coal burner isn't my cup of tea.

350htrr

WOW, all I can say is just, WOW...

EDIT; OK, I thought of something to say... That's like saying man will never ever fly, after watching the wright brothers fly their first few hundred feet...

tandempower

I think it was Machka who expressed an interest in seeing more discussion about sustainable technologies and lifestyles in this forum. I can see how you would call green energy a money-wasting scam, but you should distinguish the investment-driving aspects from the hope for more sustainable energy that hasn't (yet) become enslaved to the business of stimulating investment. I know that in a capitalist economy, funds have to be raised to pay for investments of resources and labor that otherwise wouldn't be free to contribute to the cause, but you should also realize that there are people who don't care about achieving anything substantial with sustainability as much as they care about insuring that money keeps coming in to continue to pay for all the unsustainable technologies we've standardized as part of our daily routines in private life and business.

If you take a step back from the various corruptions of capitalizing green energies and technologies (as well as the corruptions of their opponents), you should be able to see that there is benefit in switching from fossil fuels to cleaner and more renewable sources, and to reducing our industrial impact on nature, especially as population continues to grow.

Absolutely. Once you are secured in being able to ride a bike for transportation, you may start to realize that it's possible to more with less in so many other ways as well, and that doing so is ultimately beneficial for nature and humanity. Consumer reforms don't have to end with energy-efficient lightbulbs and devices. There are so many ways we could reduce the impact of individuals on each other and nature.