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Old 07-13-16, 12:54 PM
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One thing that irks me...

...is that, even here on the carfree section of Bike Forums, the word "vehicle" is frequently used as a synonym for "car" or "motor vehicle".

Bikes are also vehicles. So are buses, trains, canoes, and so forth. Even walking has been thought of as a vehicle. (For example, Bob Marley's "My feet is my only carriage. ")
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I use the interpretation that fits my circumstances. For example if I'm on my bicycle and I see a sign that says "no vehicles" then I assume that a bicycle is not a vehicle
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Somebody on the local hiking forum was talking about how most forest service roads should be closed permanently to vehicles. I pointed out that these are often wonderful places to ride a bike, with great scenery, solitude, and much less danger of being hit by a texting driver. The guy replied, seemingly very confused, that he was talking about closing these roads to vehicles, not to bikes.

I think that ship has already sailed.
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Old 07-13-16, 01:17 PM
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In most state statute it has to be spelled out, something like, for all intents and regarding road laws, bicycles are considered vehicles...

Doesn't such language imply that outside of state statute they may certainly or popularly be considered something other than vehicles...?
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Old 07-13-16, 01:25 PM
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If it's a question of usage, it seems pretty clear that here, of all places, "vehicle" should at least include bikes and buses.

Identify is very important in contemporary culture. If we don't even identify ourselves as independent vehicle operators, who will?
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Old 07-13-16, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
In most state statute it has to be spelled out, something like, for all intents and regarding road laws, bicycles are considered vehicles...

Doesn't such language imply that outside of state statute they may certainly or popularly be considered something other than vehicles...?
In statutes, almost every term is defined.

Besides, you are stating that bikes are legally defined as vehicles. So good for us!
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Old 07-14-16, 11:05 PM
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OMG, I agree with Roody 100% on this. I also despise it when people call a travel lane a "car lane".
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Old 07-15-16, 04:24 AM
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If calling a bicycle a vehicle means I have to license and insure it. I'm out. I prefer to think of it as a wonderful mechanical extension of myself.
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Old 07-15-16, 09:27 AM
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I've seen signs on bike trails that say "no motor vehicles"
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Old 07-15-16, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by baldilocks View Post
If calling a bicycle a vehicle means I have to license and insure it. I'm out. I prefer to think of it as a wonderful mechanical extension of myself.
Neat! Sometimes the bike takes on almost mystical qualities for me also.

But, at times, the magical extension has been called some other names. The forum censor bot wouldn't like what I called it when I was running late and found the tire was flat. Or what I call it when i've been riding for hours and my butt is really hurting.

Most of the time it's just called a vehicle that gets my butt from Point A to Point B.

(BTW, I don't think that calling your bike a vehicle will automatically require you to purchase insurance. It doesn't work that way.)
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Old 07-15-16, 12:53 PM
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If I called it a vehicle then the places I can ride shrink. So I call it a bicycle.

If signs say "no bicycles" I'm out of luck. For the more common "no vehicles" I'm in there

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Old 07-15-16, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Walter S View Post
If I called it a vehicle then the places I can ride shrink. So I call it a bicycle.

If signs say "no bicycles" I'm out of luck. For the more common "no vehicles" I'm in there
Again,I don't think that calling it a vehicle will automatically change any laws or regulations.
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
Again,I don't think that calling it a vehicle will automatically change any laws or regulations.
Of course not. It will just change whether my current behavior is in compliance.
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Old 07-16-16, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Walter S View Post
If I called it a vehicle then the places I can ride shrink. So I call it a bicycle.

If signs say "no bicycles" I'm out of luck. For the more common "no vehicles" I'm in there
For the most part around here, the "no bikes (or skateboards/rollerskates/blades) allowed" pertain to bored kids using mostly strip malls as their personal stunt park.

Never had an issue 'violating' that when I was simply riding up to a store front, conducted my business, and then left .
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Old 07-16-16, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
...is that, even here on the carfree section of Bike Forums, the word "vehicle" is frequently used as a synonym for "car" or "motor vehicle".

Bikes are also vehicles. So are buses, trains, canoes, and so forth. Even walking has been thought of as a vehicle. (For example, Bob Marley's "My feet is my only carriage. ")
Given the fact the two largest toy retailers (in the US anyway)- Toys-R-Us and Wal-Mart- sell 'bikes', it shouldn't be too hard for the uninformed to think of them as anything but toys.
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Old 07-17-16, 01:27 PM
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It's already decided in Roody's favor.
A bicycle, often called a bike or cycle, is a human-powered, pedal-driven, single-track vehicle, having two wheels attached to a frame, one behind the other. A bicycle rider is called a cyclist, or bicyclist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle
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Old 07-18-16, 07:52 PM
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I kind of like the term "Launch Vehicle".

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Old 07-18-16, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Walter S View Post
It's already decided in Roody's favor.

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... A bicycle rider is called a cyclist, or bicyclist.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle
As long as I'm being a curmudgeon, I usually prefer "bicyclist." It seems to be the term most used by people who ride mainly for transportation.

But when I'm on the trails or a road trip, riding more for fun or fitness, I think of myself as a "cyclist."
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Old 07-19-16, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
As long as I'm being a curmudgeon, I usually prefer "bicyclist." It seems to be the term most used by people who ride mainly for transportation.

But when I'm on the trails or a road trip, riding more for fun or fitness, I think of myself as a "cyclist."
Good job!
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Old 07-22-16, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
...is that, even here on the carfree section of Bike Forums, the word "vehicle" is frequently used as a synonym for "car" or "motor vehicle".

Bikes are also vehicles. So are buses, trains, canoes, and so forth. Even walking has been thought of as a vehicle. (For example, Bob Marley's "My feet is my only carriage. ")
The vehicular cycling crowd has turned me off of the word with all of their babbling. I wouldn't want to be associated with them.
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Old 07-22-16, 12:04 PM
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The vehicular cycling crowd has turned me off of the word with all of their babbling. I wouldn't want to be associated with them.
Not just you has been turned off by vehicular cyclists' babble; their use of stilted language to describe bicycling as in "driving a bicycle" or disparaging terminology ("cyclist inferiority complex" or "incompetent cycling") to describe other bicyclists who don't practice the Vehicular Cycling faith is enough to chase others away, even those who actually ride their bikes in accordance with vehicular cycling precepts.

Some people who post on LCF might wish to consider this when they use fabricated terms like "automotivism" to describe alleged conspiracies and economic plots against the posters' desired lifestyle. Stilted language and obtuse arguments are not likely to win support for any proposal or program.
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Old 07-22-16, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Not just you has been turned off by vehicular cyclists' babble; their use of stilted language to describe bicycling as in "driving a bicycle" or disparaging terminology ("cyclist inferiority complex" or "incompetent cycling") to describe other bicyclists who don't practice the Vehicular Cycling faith is enough to chase others away, even those who actually ride their bikes in accordance with vehicular cycling precepts.

Some people who post on LCF might wish to consider this when they use fabricated terms like "automotivism" to describe alleged conspiracies and economic plots against the posters' desired lifestyle. Stilted language and obtuse arguments are not likely to win support for any proposal or program.
+1. People use these terms to be cool and leading edge. It only alienates people and makes it harder to find common ground by putting up artificial barriers.
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Old 07-22-16, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Walter S View Post
+1. People use these terms to be cool and leading edge. It only alienates people and makes it harder to find common ground by putting up artificial barriers.
Actually, this would be a good topic for a controversial but relevant thread. Something like "Conflict between VC and LCF." Except possibly everybody would agree, which wouldn't be very interesting.
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Old 07-23-16, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Not just you has been turned off by vehicular cyclists' babble; their use of stilted language to describe bicycling as in "driving a bicycle" or disparaging terminology ("cyclist inferiority complex" or "incompetent cycling") to describe other bicyclists who don't practice the Vehicular Cycling faith is enough to chase others away, even those who actually ride their bikes in accordance with vehicular cycling precepts.
I agree with you here. I make an effort to ride as close to the line on the side of the road if there is no bike lane. I figure motorists will appreciate the courtesy and support bike lanes when they realize they wouldn't have to slow down at all if I was on the right side of the stripe instead of the left.

Some people who post on LCF might wish to consider this when they use fabricated terms like "automotivism" to describe alleged conspiracies and economic plots against the posters' desired lifestyle. Stilted language and obtuse arguments are not likely to win support for any proposal or program.
Let's not revive the old debate about the term, 'automotivism.' Suffice it to say that since that discussion, I have tried to use terms like "automotive culture," "automotive economics," "driving-dependency," etc. but sometimes there's a combination of culture, economics, infrastructure, sprawling land-use, psychology, politics, and other factors that all add up to a paradigm of automotive dominance that is really summed up well by the simple term, "automotivism."
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Old 07-24-16, 11:32 AM
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Think of it as an unmotorized vehicle, the same way, at least in my state, canoes and other paddler craft need not be registered, licensed, etc.
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