cooker

I actually don't see a groundswell of support for either of those things.

tandempower

It would actually be good to raise licensing standards, but people would protest if they felt like there was no other way to get around.

You could also look at how many people die of preventable diseases like heart attacks and diabetes and ask why more isn't being done about that . . . and the answer is personal liberty and the failure to exercise it responsibly.

You're right. It gives me that much more motivation to continue promoting LCF and solving its barriers. I tend to think about the environmental consequences of sprawl and deforestation primarily, and I forget that all those car accidents add up so significantly.

350htrr

Bingo. Personal liberty works and works well, usually... BUT, sometimes personal liberty needs/should be curtailed, there is different type of personal liberties, like you want to get the large fries and large drink and a double burger, fine, it's your life... But as in, well you just cant' drive good enough... and for the safety of others you don't get a licence to drive "problem", so too bad. THAT IS NOT happening, people get their drivers licence all the time, and, they can't drive, simply can't drive, for whatever reason, but it's become, a "right", so they get a licence and "drive", even if they can't really drive safely...

pBFa1

Well, I'm not there yet so how do I know? I assume it can be functional and keep life simple in a certain way. It's noble and makes me look cooler. Maybe it'll be good for my image as a macho man, with all the beard icicles it gives me in the winter. But maybe I'm wrong and won't ever need to be LCF again. Just tryna be open to what's next without assuming any is better forever.

Roody

Interesting. You should start a thread about this topic.

tandempower

Ironically, when you LCF you begin to notice all the ways that automotive society curtails liberty by essentially preventing people from going wherever there's no parking. or where the streets aren't easy to navigate or get through. On a bike, I can go through any neighborhood, for the most part, and always find a way through; or I could stop anywhere for pretty much any reason; but in a car I would get in trouble for just stopping anywhere on the side of the road to take a walk or have a look around.

Anyway, I hope you're right and driving license restrictions are tightened, age requirements raised, etc. Although forcing people to LCF in that way will expand their liberty in some ways, people are likely to complain that any additional restrictions on driver licenses is a curtailment of liberty.

Walter S

I haven't noticed the support you do. But I can see how many LCFers would find that a driverless car that is not dedicated to the transportation needs of a single household can make sense.

jfowler85

Hello aneurism. Chill out bruh.

McBTC

If I thought life in America would be so much better for everyone if not for the Car I'd get my brain checked...

jfowler85

Explain.

McBTC

Is a life of toil involved in the manual threshing of fields for those without energy a lifestyle that us moderns in blue cities should aspire to bring about?

jfowler85

But the threshing separates the chaff from the grain, and I do enjoy an occasional cliff bar.

tandempower

If I had a field of grains growing out back, I think it would take about five minutes to cut enough grain for the entire week with a hand-scythe. LCFing takes a lot more time and effort than would cutting grain, as would the baking of bread. Neverless, I'd rather spend a half-hour on a bike going five miles than driving for 15-20 minutes for the same five miles, and the time I save by buying store-bought bread instead of baking it myself more than makes up for the lost time. Still, if I could save $5 by threshing my own grain for five minutes a week, I'd definitely do that because that's $100/hour I'd be making! . . . albeit for only five minutes

McBTC

True that riding a bicycle to the liquor store for a bottle of wine is a lot easier than stomping grapes but, 'cut enough grain'? In the real world, threshing entails more than that, right? Don't peddle off into the sunset before the necessary beating and trampling and don't forget to separate the 'wheat from the chaff' and cleaning the crop of foreign matter by flailing, sieving and winnowing about and there's still more that we 'knead' to do to make flour and bake bread.