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Paris Is Turning Its Central Highway Into a Park

Old 12-07-16, 10:52 AM
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Paris Is Turning Its Central Highway Into a Park

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From Slate:
Paris Is Turning Its Central Highway Into a Park
It’s part of an ambitious plan to reduce vehicle usage in central Paris. The proportion of Parisians without a car has grown from 40 percent in 2001 to 60 percent today. To reduce pollution, cars manufactured before 1997 are banned from the city during the weekday. By 2020, Hidalgo wants to limit key thoroughfares like the Champs-Elysées to hybrid and electric vehicles. Last fall, she introduced the city’s first Day Without Cars, for which vast swaths of the city were closed to traffic.

Very scenic:

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Piss the Farmers off and they Turn The Avenue des Champs-Élysées into a farm to make a Point..

Park de Triomphe - the day French farmers turned the Champs Elysees into a garden | Daily Mail Online
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Hoorah Mayor Hildalgo! I'd love to be in Paris on a Journée sans voiture.

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I wonder what car-free options are available for people living outside the city to come in. Does anyone know how popular biking is generally in Paris these days? I read there was a bike share a few years ago. Is it still operating? Is it popular?

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Originally Posted by tandempower View Post
I wonder what car-free options are available for people living outside the city to come in. Does anyone know how popular biking is generally in Paris these days? I read there was a bike share a few years ago. Is it still operating? Is it popular?
The Vélib bike hire system is as popular as ever, according to a friend of mine who lives in Paris. The bikes are free today, along with the underground and buses. Parisians are choking on smog, and they are desperate to keep as many cars off of the streets as possible.

Paris: Facing worst pollution in 10 years, public transport made free for third consecutive day | The Indian Express
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Originally Posted by rm -rf View Post
Via a metafilter thread.

From Slate:
Paris Is Turning Its Central Highway Into a Park[INDENT]It’s part of an ambitious plan to reduce vehicle usage in central Paris. The proportion of Parisians without a car has grown from 40 percent in 2001 to 60 percent today. To reduce pollution, cars manufactured before 1997 are banned from the city during the weekday. By 2020, Hidalgo wants to limit key thoroughfares like the Champs-Elysées to hybrid and electric vehicles. Last fall, she introduced the city’s first Day Without Cars, for which vast swaths of the city were closed to traffic.
Finally, a city coming to its senses! Thanks for the post and links, @rm -rf.
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Originally Posted by rm -rf View Post
Via a metafilter thread.

From Slate:
Paris Is Turning Its Central Highway Into a Park[INDENT]It’s part of an ambitious plan to reduce vehicle usage in central Paris. The proportion of Parisians without a car has grown from 40 percent in 2001 to 60 percent today. To reduce pollution, cars manufactured before 1997 are banned from the city during the weekday. By 2020, Hidalgo wants to limit key thoroughfares like the Champs-Elysées to hybrid and electric vehicles. Last fall, she introduced the city’s first Day Without Cars, for which vast swaths of the city were closed to traffic.
Finally, a city coming to its senses! Thanks for the post and links, @rm -rf.
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Finally, a city coming to its senses! Thanks for the post and links, @rm -rf.
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It's so nice to read some good news.
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Here's a question somebody can probably answer:

Why does Paris in particular have such a bad problem with air pollution from cars? Do they have more cars? Dirtier cars? Weird climate that traps smog?
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
Here's a question somebody can probably answer:

Why does Paris in particular have such a bad problem with air pollution from cars? Do they have more cars? Dirtier cars? Weird climate that traps smog?
My guess is that the main reason is just density. Paris is very densily populated, but the whole metropolitan area Ile de France with it's about 15 million people, but it's just not dense enough to have people not travel by car like in NYC or Tokyo. Paris is as much a capital city as any city, so all roads lead to Paris, which means there's a lot of traffic going through the metropolitan area that has no business in Paris. City driving and parking as a 'contact sport' doesn't invite people to buy a new beautiful car, an old small car you can be happily indifferent about. There's also the shift to diesels in the last 15 years, which governments have made more attractive, it's good on CO2 but bad on other pollution and just like every European government they have ignored the pollution of the two-stroke mopeds for decades.

So basically there's just a lot of emissions from a lot of traffic coming together in a small area, that isn't very windy. I doubt it's the worst in the world though, they probably just want to enjoy fresh air together with fresh food more than others, they are a bit more sensitive to this quality of life than Londoners for example. I know people who left London because of the air.
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
Here's a question somebody can probably answer:

Why does Paris in particular have such a bad problem with air pollution from cars? Do they have more cars? Dirtier cars? Weird climate that traps smog?
In Paris metropolitan area, the three principal sources of pollution are: transport, heating (households and business) and industry. Among them, road transport (cars, vehicles of delivery, two wheels motorized and heavy lorries) is by far the major problem : it is responsible for 53% of the nitrogen oxides emissions of the Paris agglomeration, 15% of the volatile organic compounds and 25% of the particles produced by an increasing fleet of diesel vehicles (see sources of pollutant in Paris metropolitan area below).

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What impressed me also was the fact that Paris managed to convince 20% of the population to become carfree in 18 years! Keep this in mind, they do not have bicycle infrastructure like the Netherlands and its metro is half the size of New York City. I would like to know what detailed steps were done to convert a motor centrist society to a carfree one? I can't stress the importance of this information.
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What impressed me also was the fact that Paris managed to convince 20% of the population to become carfree in 18 years! Keep this in mind, they do not have bicycle infrastructure like the Netherlands and its metro is half the size of New York City. I would like to know what detailed steps were done to convert a motor centrist society to a carfree one? I can't stress the importance of this information.
Have you been to France?

I think a large portion of the answer to that is simply that if you go to French villages or larger centres within France, people walk and cycle to get around. Yes, there are people who drive too, but lots of people walk or cycle to the various shops or work or whatever.

And specifically about Paris ... it's a really easy city to get around on foot or by bicycle. I've been there several times and have never felt the need to use a car. Plus they do have quite a bit of cycling infrastructure. I actually preferred cycling in Paris than in Amsterdam.

When it comes to public transportation, I've never used public transportation in New York City, but I have in Paris and surrounding area, and again ... reasonably straightforward and fairly easy to use.
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They've had this for years. It's called, Disneyland Paris.
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
Here's a question somebody can probably answer:

Why does Paris in particular have such a bad problem with air pollution from cars? Do they have more cars? Dirtier cars? Weird climate that traps smog?
Apparently it has to do with the age of the cars there so I'd guess, dirtier is the operative word.
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...old vehicles play a large part of the problem. In fact, cars older than ten years are estimated to cause half of the city's air pollution.
A smog guy in CA told me that a ML500 (a 16 year old 5L V8 SUV) put out less pollution than 100 VW buses.
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
Here's a question somebody can probably answer:

Why does Paris in particular have such a bad problem with air pollution from cars? Do they have more cars? Dirtier cars? Weird climate that traps smog?
High proportion of diesel vehicles.

Diesel cars currently make up almost 50% of the auto market in Europe, compared with 3% in the US. Pollution levels bear this out: Europe’s three largest cities have far higher nitrogen-oxide levels—more affected by diesel than petroleum—than American equivalents, and are only slightly less polluted overall than the ultimate sprawling motor city, Los Angeles, according to data from Plume Labs, a Paris-based company that monitors pollution in cities across the world.

The decades-long support for diesel by EU governments [is] a self-inflicted public health crisis of historic proportions,” Plume Labs founder Romain Lacombe says. “Banning diesel cars from urban areas…is as courageous as it is necessary, and one of many steps we must take to save lives and reclaim clean air.”

https://qz.com/851651/paris-madrid-m...g-diesel-cars/

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WOW, ILTB just added to the thread. Yes the diesel has way more particulates in the exhaust than a gas engine, and there are way more diesels in the EU than here in N. America...
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WOW, ILTB just added to the thread. Yes the diesel has way more particulates in the exhaust than a gas engine, and there are way more diesels in the EU than here in N. America...
My understanding is that diesel exhaust contains more nitrogen compounds than gasoline exhaust, which may be more opaque, but could be seen as more environmentally beneficial in the proper amounts; i.e. they may have some fertilizer-effects on plants. Of course, many waterways are polluted with excessive nitrogen, so that's something else to consider.

Gasoline seems cleaner to the extent the catalytic converters burn unburnt fuel before it leaves the exhaust system, but the CO2, water vapor, and waste heat are all problematic. We have this assumption that we can dump as much energetic water vapor and hot air into the atmosphere as we want, and it will all just rain back down safely; but we are changing the energy dynamics of the water cycle so that drought and rain cycles are more intense and violent. Weathering and erosion processes are accelerating and intensifying, and natural processes of revitalization through re-uptake of weathered/eroded materials by living systems are not able to accelerate to keep pace.
This is a recipe for gradual degeneration of the biosphere into desert wasteland.
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