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Old 10-11-17, 08:51 PM   #326
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Um ... ok.

No idea what you're talking about.
Do you/we ever, Machka? Remember the elephants, I always say; remember the elephants. To do anything other than remember the elephants? That way lies madness
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Do you/we ever, Machka? Remember the elephants, I always say; remember the elephants. To do anything other than remember the elephants? That way lies madness


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Um ... ok.

No idea what you're talking about.
It was a play on the expression, "when in Rome, do as the Romans."
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Then in 2012 ...

Rowan and I caught a flight to Hong Kong, and commenced a "Round the World" tour. We cycled, used trains, planes, and ferries, but did not drive a motor vehicle until about 4.5 months into the tour when we were in North America.

So you don't have to limit yourself to day tours or overnight tours, although they can be fun too ... you can actually go for more lengthy travels as well.
I've traveled in several countries without a car.

It just never seemed worth the hassle dealing with licenses and insurance, and etc, especially when trains, buses, and sometimes bikes are so handy. Plus the population density is different. In Europe, in a town of say 100K population, it is easy enough to walk from one side to the other. In the USA, it is a much longer walk across that 100K town.
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I've traveled in several countries without a car.

It just never seemed worth the hassle dealing with licenses and insurance, and etc, especially when trains, buses, and sometimes bikes are so handy. Plus the population density is different. In Europe, in a town of say 100K population, it is easy enough to walk from one side to the other. In the USA, it is a much longer walk across that 100K town.
Traveling by public transportation when practical and convenient, whether locally or around the world, is often chosen as the preferred to way to get around and done by many people, including those who own cars, and does not, except in unusual cases, involve a desire by anybody to meet the "challenge of avoiding driving".
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It was a play on the expression, "when in Rome, do as the Romans."
Um ... ok.

No idea how that applies to anything here, but all right.



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I've traveled in several countries without a car.

It just never seemed worth the hassle dealing with licenses and insurance, and etc, especially when trains, buses, and sometimes bikes are so handy. Plus the population density is different. In Europe, in a town of say 100K population, it is easy enough to walk from one side to the other. In the USA, it is a much longer walk across that 100K town.
For us, there's almost no point in going through the hassle of getting a car in Europe. Even my first time in Australia ... I rented a car for 3 days out of a 3-month trip. The rest of the time was bicycles with a bit of public transportation thrown in.

We weren't actively avoiding driving, but we did want to see the country by bicycle.
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I've traveled in several countries without a car.

It just never seemed worth the hassle dealing with licenses and insurance, and etc, especially when trains, buses, and sometimes bikes are so handy. Plus the population density is different. In Europe, in a town of say 100K population, it is easy enough to walk from one side to the other. In the USA, it is a much longer walk across that 100K town.
Agreed, in fact it was living in other countries that got me used to living without a car.
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Um ... ok.

No idea how that applies to anything here, but all right.
The Colosseum in Rome hosted battles between gladiators and lions. LCFers are sort of like gladiators and all the factors working against us in the automotive culture like lions, so "when in Rome, do as the Romans," could refer to doing as the gladiators or as the spectators. Rome is diverse.
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The Colosseum in Rome hosted battles between gladiators and lions. LCFers are sort of like gladiators and all the factors working against us in the automotive culture like lions, so "when in Rome, do as the Romans," could refer to doing as the gladiators or as the spectators. Rome is diverse.
No, it couldn't, and doesn't. The expression, which dates from the medieval period, has and has always had a well-understood meaning: when one lives in a particular place/time among a particular people, one ought to conform oneself to the mores, customs, traditions, ways of behaving of that place and people.

That aside, "LCFers" are in no substantive respects "like gladiators". None. The analogy is silly. You might see yourself as some sort of 'gladiator' engaged in some sort of imagined titanic struggle against imaginary 'lions' of "automotive culture", but that delusion has no foundation whatsoever, actual or metaphorical, in reality, present or past. It is the stuff of comic books and similar adolescent fantasies. Read up a little, in scholarly histories and not 'Googled' web junk, on what/who gladiators were in Rome.
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That aside, "LCFers" are in no substantive respects "like gladiators". None. The analogy is silly. You might see yourself as some sort of 'gladiator' engaged in some sort of imagined titanic struggle against imaginary 'lions' of "automotive culture", but that delusion has no foundation whatsoever, actual or metaphorical, in reality, present or past.
Real enough for people who believe in a fantasy world of two conjured opponents - "The mythological LCFers" vs. The imaginary Evil Automotivist Conspirators.
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No, it couldn't, and doesn't. The expression, which dates from the medieval period, has and has always had a well-understood meaning: when one lives in a particular place/time among a particular people, one ought to conform oneself to the mores, customs, traditions, ways of behaving of that place and people.

That aside, "LCFers" are in no substantive respects "like gladiators". None. The analogy is silly. You might see yourself as some sort of 'gladiator' engaged in some sort of imagined titanic struggle against imaginary 'lions' of "automotive culture", but that delusion has no foundation whatsoever, actual or metaphorical, in reality, present or past. It is the stuff of comic books and similar adolescent fantasies. Read up a little, in scholarly histories and not 'Googled' web junk, on what/who gladiators were in Rome.
I don't feel like a gladiator, but sometimes at least like a bullfighter among the huge cars. And I certainly feel a lot stronger and healthier than people who sit in a car all the time. Also I feel smarter than them, since they weirdly know only one method of travel, whereas I have several ways to get from here to there. I feel like an observer in a car, and like a participant on bike or foot. A carfree warrior maybe?

Well, it's fun to feel like a heroic character sometimes and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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No, it couldn't, and doesn't. The expression, which dates from the medieval period, has and has always had a well-understood meaning: when one lives in a particular place/time among a particular people, one ought to conform oneself to the mores, customs, traditions, ways of behaving of that place and people.
Right, and I was playing with that meeting by nothing there are multiple, diverse customs of people; i.e. spectators and gladiators in ancient Rome; drivers and LCFers in the contemporary US and other driving-dominant areas.

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That aside, "LCFers" are in no substantive respects "like gladiators". None. The analogy is silly. You might see yourself as some sort of 'gladiator' engaged in some sort of imagined titanic struggle against imaginary 'lions' of "automotive culture", but that delusion has no foundation whatsoever, actual or metaphorical, in reality, present or past. It is the stuff of comic books and similar adolescent fantasies. Read up a little, in scholarly histories and not 'Googled' web junk, on what/who gladiators were in Rome.
I was just using the concept of a gladiator as one who struggles against adversity. We do actually subject ourselves to potential physical violence in traffic and exert physical effort for the sake of achieving goals, but admittedly not in the same way a gladiator did.

It was just a fun way to think about the struggle to LCF in driving-dominant areas. No need to get defensive and nit-picky.
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Right, and I was playing with that meeting by nothing there are multiple, diverse customs of people; i.e. spectators and gladiators in ancient Rome; drivers and LCFers in the contemporary US and other driving-dominant areas.

I was just using the concept of a gladiator as one who struggles against adversity. We do actually subject ourselves to potential physical violence in traffic and exert physical effort for the sake of achieving goals, but admittedly not in the same way a gladiator did.

It was just a fun way to think about the struggle to LCF in driving-dominant areas. No need to get defensive and nit-picky.
Nothing "defensive" or "nit-picky" about it. Yes, persons attempting to LCF (or even LCL) do face challenges of a sort, but they are as nothing -- nothing -- relative to the challenges faced by persons forced, against their wills, into positions such as those faced by gladiators in classical Roman times.
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I don't feel like a gladiator, but sometimes at least like a bullfighter among the huge cars. And I certainly feel a lot stronger and healthier than people who sit in a car all the time. Also I feel smarter than them, since they weirdly know only one method of travel, whereas I have several ways to get from here to there. I feel like an observer in a car, and like a participant on bike or foot. A carfree warrior maybe?

Well, it's fun to feel like a heroic character sometimes and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I simply don't get it -- seriously, and no snark intended.

Since resuming cycling in 2002 at age 50 I've been slicing/dicing in urban traffic, at times very heavy, and dealing with all kinds of driver behaviours. Still at it at age 66; daily, between late February/early March, when the roads clear, until November/December.

I do that, or walk or use public transit during the winter, rather than drive a car, for all kinds of reasons, but I have certainly never felt superior in any way to those who choose to use a car.
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The Colosseum in Rome hosted battles between gladiators and lions. LCFers are sort of like gladiators and all the factors working against us in the automotive culture like lions, so "when in Rome, do as the Romans," could refer to doing as the gladiators or as the spectators. Rome is diverse.
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I was just using the concept of a gladiator as one who struggles against adversity. We do actually subject ourselves to potential physical violence in traffic and exert physical effort for the sake of achieving goals, but admittedly not in the same way a gladiator did.

It was just a fun way to think about the struggle to LCF in driving-dominant areas. No need to get defensive and nit-picky.
As an optimist, I don't see myself as struggling against cars or other road users.

I'm trying to get to a destination, or haul my groceries or latest acquisitions home.
Car drivers are trying to get to a destination, or haul something somewhere.

Ok, so I'm sensitive to both my own mistakes, as well as potential mistakes by drivers. But, there is nobody attacking me, other than the occasional drunk yelling incomprehensible slurred words out the window. And I don't worry about them as long as they don't hit me.

Yes, it can be a struggle to carry stuff home, but it is also good exercise.

Do you consider those people battling gym machines as gladiators too?
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I simply don't get it -- seriously, and no snark intended.

Since resuming cycling in 2002 at age 50 I've been slicing/dicing in urban traffic, at times very heavy, and dealing with all kinds of driver behaviours. Still at it at age 66; daily, between late February/early March, when the roads clear, until November/December.

I do that, or walk or use public transit during the winter, rather than drive a car, for all kinds of reasons, but I have certainly never felt superior in any way to those who choose to use a car.
Use your imagination (if you have one) and have a little fun with the good choices you have made. You don't have to be so grim, do you?

Facing a challenge, even one of your own making, is reason to feel good, and feel proud of yourself. And yes, it's OK to feel a little superior to those who crawl into a stupid car and never face weather and exertion--and never learn the joys that come from finding some self-discipline and determination.
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Use your imagination (if you have one) and have a little fun with the good choices you have made. You don't have to be so grim, do you?

Facing a challenge, even one of your own making, is reason to feel good, and feel proud of yourself. And yes, it's OK to feel a little superior to those who crawl into a stupid car and never face weather and exertion--and never learn the joys that come from finding some self-discipline and determination.
There's nothing "grim" about seeing the challenges of LCF simply as challenges rather than to draw a line in the sand between yourself and car drivers and feel like a warrior. The latter is more divisive and self aggrandizing.

"if you have one"? personal insults are not called for.
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Nothing "defensive" or "nit-picky" about it. Yes, persons attempting to LCF (or even LCL) do face challenges of a sort, but they are as nothing -- nothing -- relative to the challenges faced by persons forced, against their wills, into positions such as those faced by gladiators in classical Roman times.
You are like a gladiator fighting my analogy.
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As an optimist, I don't see myself as struggling against cars or other road users.

I'm trying to get to a destination, or haul my groceries or latest acquisitions home.
Car drivers are trying to get to a destination, or haul something somewhere.

Ok, so I'm sensitive to both my own mistakes, as well as potential mistakes by drivers. But, there is nobody attacking me, other than the occasional drunk yelling incomprehensible slurred words out the window. And I don't worry about them as long as they don't hit me.

Yes, it can be a struggle to carry stuff home, but it is also good exercise.

Do you consider those people battling gym machines as gladiators too?
I'm not talking about the cycling itself as a gladiator battle. I'm talking about the cultural battle between automotive culture and those who dare to go their own way.
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I'm not talking about the cycling itself as a gladiator battle. I'm talking about the cultural battle between automotive culture and those who dare to go their own way.
Many of us are not taking a dare. We’re just choosing a lifestyle that currently feels right.
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Many of us are not taking a dare. We’re just choosing a lifestyle that currently feels right.

Dude you should go with it. There are at least two posters that should award you a blue T-shirt with a big red S on it because of your lifestyle. It would give them a hero to look up to.
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I'm not talking about the cycling itself as a gladiator battle. I'm talking about the cultural battle between automotive culture and those who dare to go their own way.
I don't consider it a cultural battle.

I roll into a store parking lot pulling my trailer, park buy goods, and leave.

A car rolls into a store parking lot, parks, buys goods, and leaves.

One can encounter issues like poor bike parking. Still... when I'm riding the cargo bike and trailer, I'll periodically just take a marked parking lot, I'm a customer afterall.

Sometimes I'll take off my rain coat and rain pants, sometimes I'll leave them on. Oh, and men in tights

Perhaps it just demonstrates to all that things can be different. But, I'm not battling for that. I have had friends that see me and have expressed renewed interest in riding bikes, but still haven't given up their cars, and that is ok.
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You are like a gladiator fighting my analogy.
Nope.

You're original analogy was silly, as I said and for the reasons I gave. This one is simply stupid.
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I'm wondering what on earth gladiators have to do with being car light in a rural area.
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