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Why does everyone feel like they need to rain on my car-lite parade?

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Old 04-24-18, 01:09 PM
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Yes and that brings us right back to earlier posts. Because no one has a solid definition of what being car light might be. And people that drive less than the average person simply do not care what someone else thinks so they cannot get their parade rained on.
Is there a solid definition for being definition-lite when it comes to understanding what things mean?

If not, then I'm definition-lite.
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Old 04-24-18, 03:19 PM
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Is there a solid definition for being definition-lite when it comes to understanding what things mean?

If not, then I'm definition-lite.
Here we would agree. You are very lightweight on definitions.

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Old 04-24-18, 11:58 PM
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Just to be clear, this would be different anyway car light or not because? A manager going against policy and locking doors, here they are closed after 10pm anyway, and no one is using the drive through? Is it across the street or a mile away? Or is the parking a mile away? Or is student housing a mile away?
Student housing is roughly 400 yards by sidewalk, but the only road route from the parking lots is about a mile because a car has to go around the main campus, while pedestrians and cyclists can ride right through the middle of it.

I haven't personally been to Mickey Ds since my son graduated high school. And when I was in College we would spend half of the night at coffee shops close to the University of Washington solving the problems of the world fueled on Coffee or tea.
$1 large soda with free refills and free WiFi, in what's supposed to be a 24/7 dining room. It's a popular study spot, in addition to being pretty much the only place within ~2 miles to grab a snack after 10PM unless you want to eat out of vending machines. OTOH, if you have to drive anyway, might as well hit WalMart and either Taco Bell or Whataburger while you're out that way.
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$1 large soda with free refills and free WiFi, in what's supposed to be a 24/7 dining room. It's a popular study spot, in addition to being pretty much the only place within ~2 miles to grab a snack after 10PM unless you want to eat out of vending machines.
Maybe they lock the doors to stop students or others from paying $1 to stay all night.
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Old 04-25-18, 11:50 AM
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Here we would agree. You are very lightweight on definitions.
Define 'lightweight.'
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Old 04-25-18, 02:15 PM
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i find rain rains on my car-lite parade more than people do.
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Old 04-25-18, 07:04 PM
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Maybe they lock the doors to stop students or others from paying $1 to stay all night.
Then they're also stopping a few dozen from coming in, getting a meal and leaving. Might as well leave the doors locked all day if that's what they're working to prevent. Except around test time, they might have 2-3 people studying between 10PM and 3AM, but a lot coming by to eat.

At test time, I'd still estimate about 75% of the people are getting more than just a drink, and some seem to graze the whole time, ordering fries or fancy coffee every 45-90 minutes.
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Old 04-30-18, 04:12 PM
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And then find out who franchises the store, complain to corporate HQ.
Who do you think came up with the no bicycles policy?

McDonalds does value their reputation...these folks are wasting time and money, which the company gets part of.
Yeah, we'll see how much corporate values their reputation; no response to this yet, but I'll give them 48 hours.


That's the breakfast crowd's view at 5AM today; an employee's butt on the counter where food comes out, while she's playing on her phone and refusing to help anyone at the counter because she's "on drive through."
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Old 04-30-18, 09:36 PM
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Who do you think came up with the no bicycles policy?



Yeah, we'll see how much corporate values their reputation; no response to this yet, but I'll give them 48 hours.


That's the breakfast crowd's view at 5AM today; an employee's butt on the counter where food comes out, while she's playing on her phone and refusing to help anyone at the counter because she's "on drive through."
I have often thought of Texas as a bail out state if it gets to the point where I cannot take California any more. But you are making me rethink that a bit. I have never seen a Mickey Ds that deserted. I have seen lobbies closed after 10pm. And I have seen the signs saying they don't serve walk ups at the window. But even in our little community there are more people inside any of the fast food spots than that picture. I do agree if it says open lobby 24/7 you should contact corporate.
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I have often thought of Texas as a bail out state if it gets to the point where I cannot take California any more. But you are making me rethink that a bit. I have never seen a Mickey Ds that deserted. I have seen lobbies closed after 10pm. And I have seen the signs saying they don't serve walk ups at the window. But even in our little community there are more people inside any of the fast food spots than that picture. I do agree if it says open lobby 24/7 you should contact corporate.
It was 5AM on a Monday morning. While I'm a little surprised there's not more of a breakfast-on-the-way-to-work crowd, roughly midnight-0500 Monday is, IME, the deadest time of the week in general. I can usually ride around town for an hour or more without seeing a half dozen cars. Other nights, there's a 0230-0430 lull, but there are a couple of 0500 shift changes, and a cafe that opens at 0530 to get some traffic moving around.
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Old 06-10-18, 08:59 AM
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My daughter recently brought up a similar issue she has had with people trying to arrange rides for her without asking if she wanted one. I suspect in her case it is because she is a young woman so some people think she is in danger if not constantly surrounded by a metal cage. They are just worried that she will be attacked or run over.

She's grown up in a car free family, so she tends to interpret it as people thinking of her as incapable of what for our family are the most basic life skills. This has created the opportunity for long discussions about people, including us, basing their decisions on what is subjectively familiar to them and not objectively better or even subjectively preferable to other people. My advice to her, and in general, is to politely thank folks for their concern and go about her business.
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Old 06-10-18, 10:08 AM
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I wish people would just see this as a choice Iím making that doesnít really affect them. Instead, it would be even better if they said ďSounds challenging! Let me know if I can help you.Ē
Sounds challenging. How can I help?
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Old 06-10-18, 11:09 AM
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I wish people would just see this as a choice I’m making that doesn’t really affect them.
Liar. You're trying to show off to the world about how easy it is for you to get around by bicycle like you're not even aware that most people would consider it a lot of work. You're a familiar sterotype - the guy that drops a lot of quiet hints (that he's not openly even aware of) about his car lite lifestyle in an effort to get noticed while pretending not to try. Tease little offers for help or better yet comments that demonstrate how impressed people are with you - then turn down the offers or brush off the comments as unsolicited interference in your chosen lifestyle.

Then you get on BF to commensurate with your elite crowd of buddies that are also too physically fit to be consciously aware of how most of the world thinks Once being car free truly becomes routine for you it's interesting how unaware the rest of the world will be about it.
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[QUOTE=Walter S;20386954L...


how most of the world thinks...

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True, true... there aren't any intervention programs for a LCF habit. No medals either.
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Oh boy

Remember ..cooperation ..not competition...hehehe lol
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Many people feel threatened by non-conformists.
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Many people feel threatened by non-conformists.
sounds like the last election...
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Many people feel threatened by non-conformists.
Just to be clear, in a car free / car light forum just who might the non conformists be?
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Just to be clear, in a car free / car light forum just who might the non conformists be?
I was referring to the OP's original concern. Some people (not all, but some) who drive cars everywhere just cannot understand or accept others who choose different modes of transport.
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I was referring to the OP's original concern. Some people (not all, but some) who drive cars everywhere just cannot understand or accept others who choose different modes of transport.
"Some (unspecified) people" cannot understand or accept "some (other) people" who choose different things or have different opinions than themselves, or maybe they look different; so what?


Not driving a car on occasion (AKA car-lite) does not require being a snowflake.
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Old 06-13-18, 09:15 AM
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"Some (unspecified) people" cannot understand or accept "some (other) people" who choose different things or have different opinions than themselves, or maybe they look different; so what?


Not driving a car on occasion (AKA car-lite) does not require being a snowflake.
I don't really get your point. I have come across the same attitude that the OP was describing, and I hardly think I am a snowflake. But there are people who regard cycle commuters as eccentric, especially if those commuters can afford cars. If you haven't come across that attitude, I'm happy for you.
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Donning the hair-shirt & halo costume isn't strictly necessary for deciding to get somewhere w/o driving, nor is the assumption of persecution and general disapprobation by an evil cabal, like your family.
People do it all of the time and no one notices or cares.
Astonishingly I rode my bike to the grocery this AM and might well do so tomorrow w/o checking if my family, friends, colleagues or HMO approves.

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I was referring to the OP's original concern. Some people (not all, but some) who drive cars everywhere just cannot understand or accept others who choose different modes of transport.
more to the point rather than being threatened by such a small minority the many or even the majority of people donít even give a thought to someone who thinks their car light status is on their radar.

Example: have you ever been in a social situation where the subject of being car light has come up? The only time I ever heard someone question someone about transportation choices is when it was raining and they came in soaked while looking like a Gordonís Fisherman. They sure werenít threatened by that person.
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more to the point rather than being threatened by such a small minority the many or even the majority of people donít even give a thought to someone who thinks their car light status is on their radar.

Example: have you ever been in a social situation where the subject of being car light has come up? The only time I ever heard someone question someone about transportation choices is when it was raining and they came in soaked while looking like a Gordonís Fisherman. They sure werenít threatened by that person.
Okay, so perhaps "threatened" was not the best word for it. Perhaps some better words are "bemused," "curious," "confused."

I think it is partly geographical and contextual. I live in a rural area, and am one of only a few serious cyclists in my small town - and probably the only person commuting regularly on a bike. (At least the only person commuting on a bike who can afford a car.) There are plenty of larger urban areas where bike commuting is much more common - but around here, I am a curiosity.
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Okay, so perhaps "threatened" was not the best word for it. Perhaps some better words are "bemused," "curious," "confused."

I think it is partly geographical and contextual. I live in a rural area, and am one of only a few serious cyclists in my small town - and probably the only person commuting regularly on a bike. (At least the only person commuting on a bike who can afford a car.) There are plenty of larger urban areas where bike commuting is much more common - but around here, I am a curiosity.
i will accept that. Still I contend few if anyone gives a thought to you being a curiosity. I have been to far too many community meetings inside and outside of the city to believe anyone but other cyclists notice or care much about bicycle commuting. If someone is going to rain on the OPs parade it will not come from the outside.

Of the several hundred people I come in contact with every week only other cyclists, or former cyclists, know I ride a bicycle. That is just how society is.
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