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Old 08-08-18, 04:58 PM
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I see a few abandoned shopping carts here and there, but mostly people dock them or park them up on the curb so they won't block people from driving or opening their doors, etc. It would be quite shocking if suddenly people started leaving shopping carts in the middle of the road, behind cars, etc. the way dockless bikes/scooters were being left in the middle of sidewalks.
Check out the links. Stop by many urban apartment buildings. Then tell us if you are shocked? Like I said look up cart retrieval services.
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Yes they are not synonymous. Dockless bike shares are a subset of bike travel. But I'm sure I'm missing your point.
Correct, but not to worry, you can always get an imaginative interpretation from TP or Cooker.
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Correct, but not to worry, you can always get an imaginative interpretation from TP or Cooker.
Actually you are my favorite imaginative interpreter.
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Old 08-08-18, 05:52 PM
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There's nothing stopping shoppers from leaving their carts wherever they want and however they want after using them. You could go to a store during opening hours and lay an empty cart down on its side, or turn it upside down in the middle of the parking lot. You could stack them upside down in a pyramid formation. What law prevents you from doing that, as long as you don't damage the carts?
I'm sure there could be some way of defining it as illegal, but people who might want to do it don't because they will be observed and yelled at, or escorted off the property and banned from the store.
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By the way, yesterday I saw a new ad for Volvo that says that now you can "subscribe" to their cars rather than buying them. I'll have to check out what that means.
Heard something about that on NPR the other day and it sounded as though it's just a fancy leasing package marketed under a different banner.
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Actually you are my favorite imaginative interpreter.
I dunno. I'm still trying to imagine that there is anyone who is a member of the infamous "automotivist conspiracy" or anybody else other than the one or two dreamers on this list who gives a darn about the non existent impact of dockless bikes/dockless scooters on the sale of motor vehicles, insurance, tires etc. Or gives a darn about them at all except as something that is a temporary blip in the news cycle. The latest 15 minutes of fame for a DOA brain dead business scheme with a lot of money to burn before the inevitable flameout.

As if anyone is trading in a motor vehicle for rental dockless bikes or scooters, or even considering it.
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Old 08-08-18, 09:38 PM
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By the way, yesterday I saw a new ad for Volvo that says that now you can "subscribe" to their cars rather than buying them. I'll have to check out what that means.
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Heard something about that on NPR the other day and it sounded as though it's just a fancy leasing package marketed under a different banner.
While you are checking out Volvo sales pitches maybe you might learn more about the 24,000 Volvos that Uber was going to buy for their autonomous driving project, or is that just more business news hype so easily forgotten when something else comes along in the news cycle?
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
While you are checking out Volvo sales pitches maybe you might learn more about the 24,000 Volvos that Uber was going to buy for their autonomous driving project, or is that just more business news hype so easily forgotten when something else comes along in the news cycle?
Not something of any special interest to me, nor is it really related to bike sharing, dockless or otherwise.
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Not something of any special interest to me, nor is it really related to bike sharing, dockless or otherwise.
Didn't you know that autonomous car BSing is LCF related just like ranting about bike sharing schemes and the various conspirators plotting to prevent their success.
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The share company would want to suggest parking where other users have already paid for meter time. There could be an extra fee incurred when someone wants to start a new parking meter, but then that fee could be reduced and/or dropped if other users end up adding bikes to the spot. Somehow people have to be encouraged to walk a little bit farther to park efficiently, and of course doing so makes it easier for the share company to manage the fleet.
Sounds complicated.

For a system to work, it needs to be the easiest, or one of the easiest, options available.
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Check out the links. Stop by many urban apartment buildings. Then tell us if you are shocked? Like I said look up cart retrieval services.
If you are right, and I'll assume that you are for the purpose of this response, because it supports my point - then why haven't I read one article about regulating shopping carts on public streets/sidewalks. Why haven't I read any articles about them getting vandalized and tossed around like share bikes/scooters. Why haven't I read anything about impounding and charging supermarkets to retrieve them? All such articles regarding share bikes/scooters are published in all likelihood because they represent a business/economic threat to some other industries. Otherwise the exact same issues would apply to these shopping carts you say litter the streets everywhere.
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Sounds complicated.

For a system to work, it needs to be the easiest, or one of the easiest, options available.
Complicated systems are simplified nowadays by software that translates them into simple behavioral cues via text messages, discounts, special offers, etc.
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That's probably a group ride. That would be useless for random parking as everybody's bike would get in everybody else's way.
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All such articles regarding share bikes/scooters are published in all likelihood because they represent a business/economic threat to some other industries. Otherwise the exact same issues would apply to these shopping carts you say litter the streets everywhere.
I partly agree with you - every day millions of car drivers inconvenience and annoy and endanger other people by parking illegally, blocking narrow streets, pulling over at busstops, going out of turn at stop signs, running red lights, speeding, and a host of other seflish and reckless behaviours, and burden society with costs, and kill almost 4000 people (every day!), and we disproportionately hear horror stories of how awful bicyclists are, because we've become blind to car offenses

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That's probably a group ride. That would be useless for random parking as everybody's bike would get in everybody else's way.

Yes ... but I like the photo.
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Yes ... but I like the photo.
I like this photo of my bicycle (in the foreground) parked with many others at the Heidelberg Main Train Station. I doubt if any of them were rentals or bike shares.
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I like this photo of my bicycle (in the foreground) parked with many others at the Heidelberg Main Train Station. I doubt if any of them were rentals or bike shares.
And how times change. In front of Heidelberg Main Station today:


https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.40425...!7i5376!8i2688

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As if anyone is trading in a motor vehicle for rental dockless bikes or scooters, or even considering it.
Maybe not trading in their car, but avoiding or delaying buying one, or avoiding renting one on a trip, because a variety of alternatives are available.

As I've posted, my bro and I visited Copenhagen for a few days last year and we got around town on rental bikes for three days and on one day we drove around the countryside with my sister in her car. It made a lot more sense than renting a car for those three days.
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I partly agree with you - every day millions of car drivers inconvenience and annoy and endanger other people by parking illegally, blocking narrow streets, pulling over at busstops, going out of turn at stop signs, running red lights, speeding, and a host of other seflish and reckless behaviours, and burden society with costs, and kill almost 4000 people (every day!), and we disproportionately hear horror stories of how awful bicyclists are, because we've become blind to car offenses
Dockless bike/scooter sharing seems to be more of a threat, I think because people are able to analyze the inconvenience of being dock-bound or toting ones own bike around with public transit and realize dockless sharing solves these problems that deter people from getting around car-free.

Automotive business isn't stupid. They want car ownership to remain the most convenient option and they don't want other options threatening their sales. Even people who aren't directly paid by the industry protect it as the largest economic stimulus sector there is. They want as many people to remain enslaved to car payments and insurance payments as possible, because they see maximum economic benefit in that and they aren't willing to allow multimodal convenience, affordability, and environmental sustainability interfere with that.

In short, they're simply not willing to give up market share to multimodalism unless they can somehow make more money that way. It's disturbing that people think they have the right to control others economically this way and sacrifice the environment/planet in the process.
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And how times change. In front of Heidelberg Main Station today:
Not that much actually. There are still plenty of bicycles parked in front of the Heidelberg Hbf. You should learn to use the rotate tool in the right corner of Google Street View.


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More recent photos on the parking of "shared" dockless bicycles.
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/20...eyards/566576/

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More recent photos on the parking of "shared" dockless bicycles.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/20...eyards/566576/

Are you sure a plane load of Automotive vandals didn't land in China and do all of this just to keep people from becoming car free? Or could this be just how people are willing to treat a drop anywhere bicycle just because that is how drop anywhere works?
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Are you sure a plane load of Automotive vandals didn't land in China and do all of this just to keep people from becoming car free? Or could this be just how people are willing to treat a drop anywhere bicycle just because that is how drop anywhere works?
Or how drop anywhere doesn't work, to be a bit more accurate.
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Or how drop anywhere doesn't work, to be a bit more accurate.

I stand corrected.
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