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No helmets, no problem: how the Dutch created a casual biking culture

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Old 09-05-18, 08:30 AM
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A bunch of interesting info .... still, i wonder how all the info is gathered.

Accident data I discount entirely. fatalities are a lot harder to hide/ignore.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
A bunch of interesting info .... still, i wonder how all the info is gathered.

Accident data I discount entirely. fatalities are a lot harder to hide/ignore.
Illegal even. I'm sure there are estimates in it, but I don't doubt the accuracy. It's all split out per province and every municipality measures traffic. Counting traffic was one of my first jobs, traffic engineers need to know. Now it's done electronically and the used models are probably checked with phone data. Anyway, if @clifford K had seen Dutch cycling with his own eyes he wouldn't have come up with that estimate based on 200 cycle deaths.

It's a bit high in recent years because of old people buying e-bikes and not realizing it's not just the legs that detoriated. 2/3 is over 65 years old, 40% is e-bike and male fatalities have gone up from 125 to 148 and female fatalities decreased from 64 to 58, while the majority of cyclists is female. No specific LGBTQ numbers (yet).
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What would be useful would be to break down cycling injuries/deaths according to what kind of lane the cyclists was riding in at the time of crash, e.g. shared-lane with motorists, striped bike lane, or bike path separated from traffic by curb/median. I think there are many separated Dutch bike lanes and not many paved-shoulder bike lanes. It would also be good to know whether the crashes happen mostly at crossings and driveways, parking lots, etc. in contrast tof when motorists are passing cyclists.
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I live in the city and cycling without a helmet is a death wish
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Originally Posted by cirno View Post
I live in the city and cycling without a helmet is a death wish
I cycled for decades in the deadliest cycling cities in the U.S. at that time, and never wore a helmet, and I neither had a death wish nor died.

Hand me some of that hyperbole, please? You seem to have plenty.
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As far as cycling, there are many cyclists that are never hit by cars. Small cities, big cities, whatever.

Other cyclists have gotten hit several times.

And, other cyclists that getting hit once is the end.

The important thing is to use the noggin to make safe decisions rather than using the noggin as a brake.

Nonetheless, it is not every cyclist that gets in a serious life or death accident. So, the helmets may only help save a small percent of cyclists. But, for those that do get hit, the helmet improves their odds of survival.
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Originally Posted by cirno View Post
I live in the city and cycling without a helmet is a death wish
It's not a magic hat that grants you invulnerability. If that was the case I would want one too, allthough I would still cycle without.
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