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Old 06-08-19, 01:56 AM
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Bikeshares are collateral damage in the Uber vs. Lyft war...

Right now in San Francisco. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...-in/ar-AACyxef

I guess you need to get your own bike instead. I have eight anyway.

Isn't it bad enough there already?

Do us all a favor in the Bay Area and support BART. Skip this bankrupt ridesharing notion. Take a real taxi, train or bus.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Right now in San Francisco. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...-in/ar-AACyxef

I guess you need to get your own bike instead. I have eight anyway.

Isn't it bad enough there already?

Do us all a favor in the Bay Area and support BART. Skip this bankrupt ridesharing notion. Take a real taxi, train or bus.
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The dispute in the article on the surface has nothing to do with app-hailed for hire vehicles, rather it's a simple contract dispute over the question if the exclusivity in the docked bike share contract also applies to dockless offerings.

To argue that the so called "rideshare" app-hailed hire industry is to blame, is to argue that they're only in the bike share business to keep a lid on it. As a possibility that is a legitimate question, but is there actual evidence to indicate it is the case?

Consider for example, if the goal were to keep a lid on bike share to keep people hailing cars rather than to actually run it as a business, why would they be competing against each other in the bike share realm? Wouldn't one of the companies doing a bad job in an existing city be enough of an impediment?
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But you'd prefer the Chinese predicament that was clealy shown a year or two back of huge piles of these things that they rounded up for scrapping because it was such a boondoggle?

Let me ask you, because I was there once, even if it was 1982...

Who's going to use these bikes? Tourists? When my high school group took a summer trip to the Oregon Coast and down to Marin County/O-Town 37 years ago I didn't see anything that made sense for it looking back at it.

Actually, it was fun just counting the BMWs and Corvettes as you traveled on the bridges. The Wharf is made for walking, going to the Steinhart Aquarium/California Academy of Sciences or most of anywhere required our school bus. We were involved in a minor traffic accident while we were there as it was and we had to camp in a state park outside of town on the Oakland side IIRC. Back then they had signage with seagulls on them that you could follow around much like a scenic or truck route, that was for the tourists too.

Some of the roads there are not exactly conducive to people just running around on bikeshares IMO.

And the other thing we all noticed was the emergence of this new disease with no name that was killing at least four people with funny sounding names/foreigners/whatever and we were just hicks from an Ag town of 3,000 who knew nothing except that our leader kept us to certain parts of town and not others. SHE knew.

The eighties were strange like that. Has anything really changed other than the makeup of the residents and the rent?

The rent was an issue in the second Herbie The Love Bug movie in 1974...remember that fire station Helen Hayes' character lived in?
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Lyft’s new ebikes can be docked or dockless. They are rolling out in the next few weeks.
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I don't think this has much to do with Uber. Lyft signed a contract with San Francisco to be an exclusive bike share provider and now they and the city are arguing about the details of the contract. Lyft thinks the contract covers both docked and dockless bikes, and San Francisco thinks it only covers docked bikes and that the city can give contracts for dockless bikes to other providers.

It's good that San Francisco is regulating bike shares in the city, so the taxpayer isn't on the hook for cleaning up the aftermath of failed bikeshare companies abandoning their bikes, and the streets aren't awash in bikes from multiple providers lying all over the place creating nuisance and risk - they just have to sort out the correct interpretation of the Lyft contract.

EDIT: Okay, yes, Lyft might hypothetically want an exclusive contract so they can limit the availability of shared bikes to encourage people to hail cars instead, but again that would be a contract issue where the contract would spell out how many bikes should be available for hire.

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.... too bad your computer science degree requires you have to live in those places, to find work..
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post

Let me ask you, because I was there once, even if it was 1982...

Who's going to use these bikes? Tourists? When my high school group took a summer trip to the Oregon Coast and down to Marin County/O-Town 37 years ago I didn't see anything that made sense for it looking back at it.
...did you wear flowers in your hair ? It's not a valid experience without wearing flowers in your hair.



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The eighties were strange like that. Has anything really changed other than the makeup of the residents and the rent?
,,,the 80's were strange in so many ways I can't count them all. Depends on what you mean by "change". I don't recall seeing one cell phone in the 80's, and now I need to carefully avoid all the people who are distracted by them. Also, the bakeries are substantially improved.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
But you'd prefer the Chinese predicament that was clealy shown a year or two back of huge piles of these things that they rounded up for scrapping because it was such a boondoggle?

Let me ask you, because I was there once, even if it was 1982...

Who's going to use these bikes? Tourists? When my high school group took a summer trip to the Oregon Coast and down to Marin County/O-Town 37 years ago I didn't see anything that made sense for it looking back at it.

Actually, it was fun just counting the BMWs and Corvettes as you traveled on the bridges. The Wharf is made for walking, going to the Steinhart Aquarium/California Academy of Sciences or most of anywhere required our school bus. We were involved in a minor traffic accident while we were there as it was and we had to camp in a state park outside of town on the Oakland side IIRC. Back then they had signage with seagulls on them that you could follow around much like a scenic or truck route, that was for the tourists too.

Some of the roads there are not exactly conducive to people just running around on bikeshares IMO.

And the other thing we all noticed was the emergence of this new disease with no name that was killing at least four people with funny sounding names/foreigners/whatever and we were just hicks from an Ag town of 3,000 who knew nothing except that our leader kept us to certain parts of town and not others. SHE knew.

The eighties were strange like that. Has anything really changed other than the makeup of the residents and the rent?

The rent was an issue in the second Herbie The Love Bug movie in 1974...remember that fire station Helen Hayes' character lived in?
SF has been investing a lot of $ in bike infrastructure. There's plenty room for improvement but now there's the wiggle, and some protected bike lanes. Users of the bikeshare tend to be folks on lunch, or riding last miles from Bart to work and back. Regrettably Bart does not go everywhere. I actually see more tourists on the e-scooters now; requires even less skill to operate.
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1,900 new Lyft e-bikes hit SF streets today

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Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
...did you wear flowers in your hair ? It's not a valid experience without wearing flowers in your hair.





,,,the 80's were strange in so many ways I can't count them all. Depends on what you mean by "change". I don't recall seeing one cell phone in the 80's, and now I need to carefully avoid all the people who are distracted by them. Also, the bakeries are substantially improved.
No, but I chaperoned my prom date's sister and she used all my batteries listening to my Walkman...learned how to sleep in a state park campground with a foghorn going off too. Also learned how to wash my pilliow and saw my first 'dollar store', there were quad 8 tracks including the Carpenters. The Carl's Jr. and McDonalds across the street from each other at the Wharf had the best service I'd ever had from a fast food joint and I did not eat clam chowder!
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