City called carless
Hi Folks how would you like to live in a city earmarked for bicycles only.Is there a city in the U.S.A that is habited by cyclists only.If not why not get one.I hope one day there will be one such city in every country.
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The only place in the USA that I know of is Mackinac (pronounced Mack-i-naw) Island. Private cars are not allowed, although delivery vehicles and emergency vehicles are. Most people travel by foot or by bicycle, although horses are common as well. In the winter, people also ride snow mobiles around in the streets.
It is unlikely you could move there permanently unless you are rich. The island is small, and most of the money is generated from tourism. Real estate on the island is very expensive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackinac_Island |
Have you been to Venice? It's like being on another planet. Even though there are people everywhere, it's very, very quiet and serene. My wife and I loved it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_carfree_places
List of car-free places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
Originally Posted by Roody
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_carfree_places
List of car-free places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
A car free city would have to be extra expensive to live there. A city of this type would violate so many codes and lawsuites, it could only be built for the very rich.
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A city of this type would violate so many codes and lawsuites, it could only be built for the very rich. A car free city would have to be extra expensive to live there. |
Originally Posted by Roody
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_carfree_places
List of car-free places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
As an experimental car-free city in Arizona:
http://www.arcosanti.org/theory/arcology/intro.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcosanti Al |
Originally Posted by cerewa
As I understand it, it's very cheap to live in much of the third world.
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/3/13/3325/49568 |
Originally Posted by kohinoor
Hi Folks how would you like to live in a city earmarked for bicycles only.Is there a city in the U.S.A that is habited by cyclists only.If not why not get one.I hope one day there will be one such city in every country.
Isla Vista has the distinction of being the birthplace of Kinko's. Bicycling is the best way to get about usually. |
Most people may not own cars there, but there are still people with cars. |
Originally Posted by cerewa
Being a law student, this statement certainly aroused my curiosity. Where on earth did you get this idea?
Please read, Suburban Nation : The Rise of Sprawl and the Decline of the American Dream for a better understanding of city planning. |
City called caeless
Your statement "where did you get the idea" is ambiguous.What do you mean.Is it a good idea or a bad one.If there is a will there is a way.Here in Great Britain the attitudes to cycling is changing so is it in Australia that is experiencing the impact of Global Warming more than the other countries.Politicians who have vested interests will always be in the way.As a child I can remember living in a such place in the Indian Sub-Continent.The Air was so pure to breath.The water tasted different and everyone smiled.Today here in England it is very hard to find anybody with a smile unless theyare " high" on drugs or alcohol.The cost of keeping a car is taking the toll on its owners.Is it worth it.
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Originally Posted by cerewa
Being a law student, this statement certainly aroused my curiosity. Where on earth did you get this idea?
I think that it would be difficult to keep many of the common amenities of first-world life in a town with no motor vehicles... |
Your statement "where did you get the idea" is ambiguous. |
Haha, I wasn't even thinking about it at the time of my earlier posts here, but the "early experiences" thread reminded me that I actually have early memories of living in a mostly-car-free village from ages 4 to 6- Aniak, Alaska.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...45,0.21698&t=h It may be that the other 49 states have rules making car-free communities practically nonexistent, but in Alaska there are a whole lot of communities where there are only a couple miles of road in total, and no access to the rest of the world's roads. A significant portion of Alaska's population lives in villages of 200 or so. If you click the google maps link above, and follow the river you'll see a bunch of communities such as Kalskag (it's west of Aniak) which have far fewer people than aniak. I think a lot of the communities that small and remote have no cars. So any of you brave souls wanting to live in a community in the U.S. with no cars- feel free to try rural alaska. If you want to report back to bikeforums from there you may be out of luck. AOL provides service through a 1-800 number, (and you pay AOL 10 cents a minute I think) but I hear some of the communities have only one phone line and I don't know if anybody would let you hook your computer up to it. |
Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
A car free city would violate many urban planning codes with regards to fire, traffic congestion etc. In addition, local and state politicians would have to be paid off before a project of this nature can even take off. The notion of building a city without regard to traffic is illegal and getting around it will require costly legal fees possible in the tens of millions and this cost will have to be paid by those living in the community.
Please read, Suburban Nation : The Rise of Sprawl and the Decline of the American Dream for a better understanding of city planning. I haven't read the recommended books, and probably should, but still... a city can design itself any way it wants to, as long as it follows the law, and in the case of building codes, the city establishes those (there may be state building codes to contend with as well, though). The notion of payoffs is ridiculous, however-- if the city wants to build something, the city doesn't have to "pay off" politicians, because it is the city politicians who set the direction for the city in the first place. |
Originally Posted by AverageCommuter
Or read the book "Carfree Cities" by J.H. Crawford. The federal government has established rules which make it uncomfortable for lower level governing bodies not to follow their zoning guidelines, but it's not illegal. As far as the ammenities go, there isn't anything a carfree city should be unable provide that a car-centric one can.
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A car-free city. Tell me how firemen, ambulances, dump trucks, postal service, and police transport things that must use a vehicle. Cars are vital in a city function. Maybe if all cities were car free they wouldn't but it'd be impossible for a certain populace number. Resort town would probably be the only idea. Or a large section of town without cars.
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Katrogen-
Your post mentions car-free cities, and my knowlege of Alaska pertains to car-free villages, not cities. Maybe city people will never accept some of the ways-of-doing-things of rural areas, but some rural practices could be used in cities if there were support for it. Tell me how firemen, ambulances, dump trucks, postal service, and police transport things that must use a vehicle. Very few people are in favor of communities with no motor vehicles whatsoever. I think most car-free advocates are in favor of ambulances, trains, and a certain number of large motor vehicles to be used for building construction and road construction, etc. |
Originally Posted by cerewa
Very few people are in favor of communities with no motor vehicles whatsoever. I think most car-free advocates are in favor of ambulances, trains, and a certain number of large motor vehicles to be used for building construction and road construction, etc.
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Originally Posted by patc
As a die-hard car-free advocate I agree with that. "Car-free" means "no personal motor vehicles". It has nothing to do with commercial vehicles, emergency vehicles, or service vehicles. While I certainly want those as efficient and low-emission as possible, they are not the problem.
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car free and pollution free
Car Free does not mean that the essential services vehicles will not be allowed.They will be advised to use vehicles that do not burn Gasoline.The buses can use Hydrogen cells,The Ambulances and Police Vehicles can use Alcohol,The Bank Robbers and Drug dealers can use Rocket Fuel.The main purpose of making a city carless is to make it pollution free and a pleasant place to be in.
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The Toronto Islands are carfree. A few people actually live there. But there are only a few km of paths combined, and cycling isn't very pleasant there: far too crowded, no roads (MUPs only, with stupid peds insisting on taking the whole path - this irritates me whether I'm on a bike OR on foot).
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