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Old 07-19-06, 08:28 PM
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bus questions for a newb.

I have never ridden a bus. ever. except a schoolbus.

So I have a few questions. I just spent the last couple of hours mapping out bus routes and printing schedules. The bus service, SARTA(stark area regional transit authority) has a lot of routes in my area going to the lager cities. I am out in the burbs. The closest stop that I know of is about 3 miles from my house but one of the routes comes within a mile.
questions:
1.can I catch the bus if it is not at a stop? ie flag it down?
2.how do I get off?
3. can I get off anywhere?
4.how do I pay? do I give the money to the driver?
5. generally how reliable are the schedules?
6. what else am I forgeting that I should know?
7.generally what can I expect?
8.Any other advice?

I plan to spend a whole day soon riding around and getting to know the area.
BTW I am not new to carfree, just buses.
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In my area they only stop at stops, and only drop off at stops. Here they have a money box by the driver, or pre paid cards. Here they are fairly reliable. Here in northern ky. TANK (Transit Authority of Northern Ky) has bike racks on the front of most buses. It's great.
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I second what maddyfish said. It's the same her in L.A.
Now the following is my opinion of Los Angeles bus service, your service may vary.
Schedules should be fairly reliable, especially during commute mornings. May run a little slower in the afternoon.
(I think that's because people are more concerned about coming in to work on time).

Does the bus have a bike rack in the front? That's a plus.
If not, do they allow the rider to bring the bike on the bus?
Get to know the route you want to take, so you can get on and off at the right spots.
If you have a cell phone, plug in the dispatch number in case the bus doesn't show. Often they can call the driver to find out what's holding up the bus.
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Where I live (Seattle), the bus system has a web site which includes a trip-planning feature. You type in your address, the address you want to go to, and the planner tells you about the appropriate buses to take. It's really useful. Maybe your area has the same service...
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Originally Posted by bike756
I have never ridden a bus. ever. except a schoolbus.

So I have a few questions. I just spent the last couple of hours mapping out bus routes and printing schedules. The bus service, SARTA(stark area regional transit authority) has a lot of routes in my area going to the lager cities. I am out in the burbs. The closest stop that I know of is about 3 miles from my house but one of the routes comes within a mile.
questions:
1.can I catch the bus if it is not at a stop? ie flag it down?
2.how do I get off?
3. can I get off anywhere?
4.how do I pay? do I give the money to the driver?
5. generally how reliable are the schedules?
6. what else am I forgeting that I should know?
7.generally what can I expect?
8.Any other advice?

I plan to spend a whole day soon riding around and getting to know the area.
BTW I am not new to carfree, just buses.
1) Generally a big no.
2) pull the cord or press the button... the bus will stop at the next stop. (it's labeled!)
3) generally no, unless it's dark and for safety reasons they usually won't stop except at designated stops.
4) Most bus drivers are NOT ALLOWED to handle money. There is a farebox that the money is inserted into... just like paying for a soda from a vending machine (and if the fare box is broken (or the driver dropped olives off his pizza into it and jammed it (yes it happened... my father in law is a driver in Portland, OR )) the ride is free!
5) Varies widely depending on conditions, routes, and for different cities...
6) Most bus systems will offer 'transfers' ie: You can switch to another route without paying extra. You usually have to ask for a transfer right after you pay (Or as you're paying)

The biggest thing with buses is that unless you're directly on the route that takes you to the destination you want to go to, you'll have to plan ahead, and plan your transfers accordingly... I also try to plan in at least one extra bus schedule for 'contingincies' on routes that have frequent service.

I live on a major bus route that goes into downtown... on weekdays the bus runs every 7-10 minutes in the morning and about every 15 minutes the rest of the day.... so instead of taking the LAST bus that would get me to my transfer on time, I usually plan on at LEAST the trip before it.... gives me that much more leeway if the bus is late or whatever.

Also, you want to be EARLY to your stop to catch the bus... the bus might be a couple minutes early... policy here is that if the bus is more than two minutes early they stop at the next major stop and wait till they're back on schedule.

So... don't show up at the stop 30 seconds before the bus is supposed to be there.... you might just see its tail lights because they were 45 seconds early and you weren't there. (Yes, it's happened to me! )
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Old 07-20-06, 01:23 AM
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It takes a little practice to use a bus system effectively.

The first rule when riding a bus system that uses free transfers is: always ask for a transfer whether you think you need it or not. If the transfer costs money, okay, it's a judgment call.

You have to ride a route a couple of times so you'll know when to pull the cord (or push the button or whatever).

Sometimes routes vary depending on the time of day. Check the schedule to see if a particular run skips stops, ends early, takes a different route, etc.

One goal is to minimize your waiting time when you're running errands. The way you do this is to adjust your errand running so that you're back at the bus stop just a few minutes before the next bus arrives. Be mindful of how many minutes you have left before you need to be back at the bus stop.

Familiarize yourself with the retail resources that are on each route you use. The stores and shops that are right on the bus routes might not be your first choices but they can be very convenient for errand running.

As with most carfree strategies, you try to combine as many errands and trips as you can. A 20-minute layover at a transfer point can be a great thing if it lets you dash into a drugstore or market to do some quick shopping, or hit an ATM, for example.

Take advantage of as many opportunities as you can. When some buses reach the end of a route, they continue on in a different direction to serve another route. Whee, a free transfer with no waiting! Keep your eyes open for things like that.

You always have to be aware that there is a last bus of the day on every route. Forgetting that can be painful.
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Does your transit system have a website? That's often a good place for info.
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Just a quick note on question #1. Our bus system is probably smaller than most, but they have been known to put in and take out stops based on demand. i.e. if you call the transit dept and say you'd like a stop at x intersection, they'll probably add a stop, and probably take out a stop on the route that's never used.
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Old 07-20-06, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bike756
The bus service, SARTA(stark area regional transit authority) has a lot of routes in my area going to the lager cities. I am out in the burbs. The closest stop that I know of is about 3 miles from my house but one of the routes comes within a mile.
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The closest stop is 3 miles from your house! The closest stop from my apartment is about 500 feet and I thought that was far! You might want to move.

Here's my solution. Get a folding bike. Try to get one of the smaller, lightest folding bikes like the Brompton or Dahon Presto lite (www.dahon.com) that way you can bike to the stop, board the bus with the folder in a bag and do the same on the return trip. With the folder, you have a lot of options giving you freedom to travel a fairly good distance after arriving. You probbly wouldn't need to pay for a transfer and bike racks wouldn't be necessary. I've never known any bus service that allows a full size bike inside the cabin. The bike/bus solution really opens doors that VERY few people are even aware about.

Another option would be to get a beater bike and (hide) it a block away from the bus stop. Out in the burbs, I've seen bus stops located on the highway! You have to find out where the stops are but a beater bike should NOT be left near the stop or it might get stolen.
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Old 07-20-06, 10:43 AM
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As others said, check if you bus company has a web site. They also probably publish a map and user guide, as well as have an info phone line.

Check routes carefully, the most obvious routes can be the longest. I know our local bus system well, and the new trip planner on their website has saved me 20 minutes or more a few times.

Check fares too. In some cases it may be much cheaper for your to buy tickets/tokens instead of paying cash every time you ride. Here a bus ride is $300 or two tickets ($0.95 each, so $1.84).

Last thing, look for special programs and services. For example we have a "night stop" program, where after 9:00pm you can request that the driver let you off between stops if he/she can do so safely.
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Old 07-20-06, 10:57 AM
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My bus company has a fantastic trip planning service. You just call, tell them where you are and where you want to go, and they'll clue you in. the drivers can also answer your questions.

Bus service here is very reliable and customer service is excellent. Every bus has a bike rack up front. There are bike lockers at the downtown transfer station. The down side? The busses run only every half hour on most routes, and less often on weekends and evenings. Service stops on most lines at 10:00 PM. I hate riding when school lets out because the kids are rude and sometimes worse than rude. They do have security guards on the worst runs.
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Old 07-20-06, 06:19 PM
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I think you all must live in the city. The buses here run only every hour! The stop nearest my house is in someone's front lawn. also, fare is $1.00 and $.50 with the student discount(18 and under) which I can get.

I will try the bus tomorrow. wish me luck! I plan on getting off at a few of the larger stops in the city and walking around to see what there is in the area, then catching anouther bus and going wherever it takes me. I might just ride the whole route and get off at the same stop.

I will ride my beater to the stop and lock it up somewhere obscure and have a backpack with maps and schedules and a book to read while I wait for the bus.I'll try to hit up one of the local malls to buy some new underwear, just so the trip isn't completely unproductive.
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Originally Posted by donnamb
Does your transit system have a website? That's often a good place for info.

They Do.... SARTA
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Originally Posted by bike756

I will try the bus tomorrow. wish me luck! I plan on getting off at a few of the larger stops in the city and walking around to see what there is in the area, then catching anouther bus and going wherever it takes me. I might just ride the whole route and get off at the same stop.
Here's a way to save some money. Everybody knows you can get a free transfer to continue your trip on another bus route. But did you know that, on most bus lines, a transfer is also good to continue a trip on the same bus route, as long as you continue traveling in the same direction. IOW, you can set out from downtown on your way home, get off the bus to do some shopping at the midway point, then get back on another bus--going in the same direction--and continue homeward. We can make up to three transfers for free in our bus system. The driver will punch your transfer (or you run it through the fare box) each time. You have to remember to ask for the transfer when you pay your fare.
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Originally Posted by Roody
Here's a way to save some money. Everybody knows you can get a free transfer to continue your trip on another bus route. But did you know that, on most bus lines, a transfer is also
Better yet, you make be able to make round trips on the same transfer. We went to that policy a few years ago: when you get a transfer, it is stamped with a "valid until" time (approx. 2 hours from the time it gets printed). You can use it to board until the time shown, with no limits.
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Better yet, you make be able to make round trips on the same transfer. We went to that policy a few years ago: when you get a transfer, it is stamped with a "valid until" time (approx. 2 hours from the time it gets printed). You can use it to board until the time shown, with no limits.
That is better yet. Here it is strictly forbidden.

You know I ride the bus only once a month or so--if that. But it's nice to know it's there as a backup. When I got hurt in a crash I used it a lot.
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We have the same policy here as where Roody is... continuing trips are ok, return trips are not. That said, they usually don't check very well, and if the time is good they'll usually let you ride.

Also, it's a general policy (but not a requirement any where that I know of) that they'll let you ride even if you're short on fare (or have no money at all!) Especially if you look pitiful and they feel sorry for you (ie: you just got hit by a car, your bike is bent up, and your clothes are torn)

The policy and attitude on riding for free or for less than full fare varies a lot depending on where you are, the driver, etc.
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If you're disabled, a student or a senior citizen, you get a discount card. I would not expect individual drivers to give me a discount--asking puts them in a difficult situation, IMO.
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Originally Posted by bike756
1.can I catch the bus if it is not at a stop? ie flag it down?
2.how do I get off?
3. can I get off anywhere?
4.how do I pay? do I give the money to the driver?
5. generally how reliable are the schedules?
6. what else am I forgeting that I should know?
7.generally what can I expect?
8.Any other advice?
1. Usually, no, in fact I've been yelled at for flagging down a bus. There's a rural transit system in western MA that will stop for flaggers, but that's the only one i know of.
2. If there are no people at your stop, ring the buzzer/bell. On most new buses it's a strip you press. If it doesn't work, yell "NEXT STOP!" loud. Some of the MBTA buses -- and maybe SARTA -- have these LED stop announcers that tell you what stop is coming up (verbally and visually).
3. Anywhere that's a stop on the route -- there's probably signage.
4. Buses generally have fareboxes that accept change and passes. On the MBTA, you can get "transfers" from the driver to hop to another busline. Usually, they discourage dollar bills.
5. Allow at least 10 minutes before the bus' scheduled arrival/dept time
6/7/8. Clientele of routes and can vary widely -- you can face some odd characters. Bus quality varies: some buses on the MBTA (for example) are old and smell funky and have no AC. Some are very new and break often. If it's rush hour they are often packed and you might not get a seat. In my experience, the 'nicer' buses are usually on suburby-commuter routes.
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I love the bus! I just got back from my trip. I went from the local college to Canton, a medium sized city about twenty miles away, and from there to Massillon, a smaller city, and not as nice. I came back the same way I went, in total four trips on the bus. It was nice to be in the city instead of the suburbs for a while. I walked around for a while and checked out the local attractions.

The buses were nice and clean with good air conditioning. There were a lot more stops than I thought. The maps on the website only showed the major stops, and not the smaller ones. transferes are good for the whole day I think. I could ride all day for $0.50.

There are definitaly some strange people on the bus, but they all seemed friendly. I felt kind of out of place. overall it was a fun experience. I will be using the bus a lot from now on.
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...There are definitaly some strange people on the bus, but they all seemed friendly. I felt kind of out of place...
I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but after a while the people on the bus didn't seem all that strange to me any more, ha.

Good work!
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I could ride all day for $0.50.

You could ride all day for 50 cents??? I though my light rail pass was cheap at $1.76 for unlimited rides but you have me beat. I still think you should get a very small folder and start exploring your community. I'm doing that this summer with my GPS and I can't get lost. www.garmin.com
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Originally Posted by Roody
If you're disabled, a student or a senior citizen, you get a discount card. I would not expect individual drivers to give me a discount--asking puts them in a difficult situation, IMO.
Yeah, well... when you need to go downtown to cash your paycheck and only have 83 cents on you... (Bus fare was $1.25 then...)

Or the transmission on your truck goes out in the middle of an intersection the day before payday (I managed to limp it out of the intersection, and far enough down the road to find parking) .... I only had 75 cents that day.

Like I said: For emergencies only... I also rode the bus into work one day at a reduced rate... It's all I had with me... got a late start and forgot to grab my bus fare!


Congrats, by the way! and yeah, the bus can be very useful and/or fun! (If you want some real excitement, try taking the bus and/or train in a foreign country... say Japan. :-p It's much more exciting when you can't read any of the signs and have no idea where you are or where you're going!)
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A couple updates: I caught the bus closer to my house today, just flagged it down as it passed, no problems. Also, the transfers are only good for an hour, but they don't really check them. As I said, the bus comes within a mile of my house, so this should be very convenient.
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