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Old 06-05-10, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by marchse
Why can't we think about generating electricity for our own domestic needs..
I think it's becoming more common but it may take some time for the technology to be affordable. There are solar chargers and panels you can put near the window and stationary bicycle charging DIY kits. If you can afford it you can definitely buy large solar panels or a windmill to generate energy, live off the grid, or even sell the energy back to the company. Things are creeping along...
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We are not very efficient as a society, just look at how much organic waste ends up in the landfills and not reused in the farmlands, how much permanent waste there is, how little is recycled, how local food is not emphasized over ones shipped half way around the world. What happens to that energy producing bike when it breaks? Will it be properly disassembled and recycled or will it just end up in the landfill like everything else? Landfill I say. At the end of the day these things just seem like patches on a deteriorating tube. The infrastructure needs to be fixed. Until then, use less, minimize, ride your bike =)
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Originally Posted by cerewa
..., but the best small generators turn motion-energy into electricity at way below 100% efficiency. It would not surprise me if 23% efficiency is pretty normal for a generator that size.
23% ???

Wiki ... Vehicle alternators do not use permanent magnets and are typically only 50-60% efficient over a wide speed range ...

Some of the smallest generators commonly found power bicycle lights. These tend to be 0.5 ampere, permanent-magnet alternators supplying 3-6 W at 6 V or 12 V. Being powered by the rider, efficiency is at a premium, so these may incorporate rare-earth magnets and are designed and manufactured with great precision. Nevertheless, the maximum efficiency is only around 80% for the best of these generators—60% is more typical—due in part to the rolling friction at the tire-generator interface from poor alignment, the small size of the generator, bearing losses and cheap design. The use of permanent magnets means that efficiency falls even further at high speeds because the magnetic field strength cannot be controlled in any way. Hub generators remedy many of these flaws: internal to the bicycle hub, they are well manufactured and don't require an interface between the generator and tire. Until recently, these generators have been expensive and hard to find. Major bicycle component manufacturers like Shimano and SRAM have only just entered this market. However, expect significant gains in future as bicycling becomes more mainstream transportation and LED technology allows brighter lighting at the reduced current these generators are capable of providing.
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Originally Posted by cooker
Here's the problem with all of this. You need food calories to exercise, and food is grown using an excess of energy. So the energy recovered from a generator attached to gym equipment is a miniscule fraction of what is input. If people are already wasting calories working out in a gym, and this system is installed, it may make make a tiny bit of sense, because a small portion of the huge wasted energy of indoor exercise is recaptured; but to improve the world's energy use, it would be far better for people to simply walk or bike to where they're going. That way your efforts are actually being put to productive use.
And! most gyms I have been in are heavily cooled via A/C and that takes a huge amount of energy to power. AFAIAC it is little more than a gimmick, yes they are generating electricity and yes they are getting exercise, but I would rather get mine by riding around in the real world instead of using a 4000# vehicle to haul my 200# carcass, that is a much better use of energy IMHO.

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Originally Posted by PDay
2.65 Giggawatts!
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The deal is if a guest generates 10 watts of power for the hotel they get a free meal at the hotel restaurant.

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Awesome, I'd stay there. That's practically free food! Though I imagine they meant watt-hours.
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Originally Posted by cooker
Here's the problem with all of this. You need food calories to exercise, and food is grown using an excess of energy. So the energy recovered from a generator attached to gym equipment is a miniscule fraction of what is input. If people are already wasting calories working out in a gym, and this system is installed, it may make make a tiny bit of sense, because a small portion of the huge wasted energy of indoor exercise is recaptured; but to improve the world's energy use, it would be far better for people to simply walk or bike to where they're going. That way your efforts are actually being put to productive use.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Isn't the going rate something like 10 calories of industrial energy used to produce every calorie of energy in our food supply? If you're not generating power from activities that would've been pure waste otherwise (like a stationary bike) it's like if you used your stovetop to heat up rocks, then carried the rocks across the room and used them to heat up your saucepan.
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