curious... how many car-free folks are destitute
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Nope, I've been pedaling since my weekly allowance was 25 cents.
But bicycling has always been an aid financially. It made the difference when I first moved out on my own and had no car but I did have a minimum wage job.
It helped when my ex- and I were trying to survive out in the desert. She got the car and I rode the bike. She pushed me to get a car until I had her do the math and she realized that my bicycling was the only thing keeping us in the black.
It helped in paying off the debts from my divorce. About $20,000 in two years.
But bicycling has always been an aid financially. It made the difference when I first moved out on my own and had no car but I did have a minimum wage job.
It helped when my ex- and I were trying to survive out in the desert. She got the car and I rode the bike. She pushed me to get a car until I had her do the math and she realized that my bicycling was the only thing keeping us in the black.
It helped in paying off the debts from my divorce. About $20,000 in two years.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Is that a vote for destitute?
Seriously, I'm not wealthy like you, but I'm "comfortable." By not having a car, I'm able to work one less day a week. I work overtime only to help out, not because I need the money. So I have lots more time for cycling and other pursuits!
Contrary to ILTB's bigoted misperception of carfree living, I have a better living standard because I choose not to have a car. I never was all that keen on self-sacrifice!
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Originally Posted by Roody
By not having a car, I'm able to work one less day a week.
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[grammarnazi]"Fewer." Use "less" for things that can't be counted, like milk or paper. Use "fewer" for anything that can be numbered, like bottles of milk, reams of paper, or days can.[/grammarnazi]
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Originally Posted by Roody
Days can be counted? I just live them, one ream at a time.
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I'm with Cosmo. No debt (except for house). My home has 30k in equity and my 401k is plugging away for me.
I work 40-45 hours a week at my regular job, and have a p/t weekend job that only require a few hours of time for a decent amount of spending money.
I'm not a miser - I like good restaurants and traveling, but I watch every penny I spend and selectively spend. Most of what I spend is for "experience" type things. Theatre, travel, dining, flying lessons, rather than material stuff like expensive clothes or plasma TVs.
I work 40-45 hours a week at my regular job, and have a p/t weekend job that only require a few hours of time for a decent amount of spending money.
I'm not a miser - I like good restaurants and traveling, but I watch every penny I spend and selectively spend. Most of what I spend is for "experience" type things. Theatre, travel, dining, flying lessons, rather than material stuff like expensive clothes or plasma TVs.
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Originally Posted by ken cummings
The eleven years I was car free I was either on a perfect bus route, or putting wifey through Engineering school, or buying a house on a single paycheck. You don't need to be broke, just one of the modern poor.
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curious... how many car-free folks are destitute
despite what we first-world people see in our daily lives (and, usually, our far-from-home vacations too) most of the world's people are "destitute" by our standards, and the vast majority of them are car-free.
Me, I'm not doing great financially- I have plenty of school debt and I don't make much money. I don't own a car. I think I could own a car, barely. But I would have to be willing to accept a lot more debt.
I'm not really 100% car-free, though, because my partner has a car and we use it every month or so. She and her mom cover all of its costs, except that I pay for gas on the rare occasion that it actually needs any.
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Originally Posted by Alekhine
I am a former spoiled brat descended from one of the oldest wealthy families in America.
One guy at my old school said his father invented the toaster strudel.
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Originally Posted by WishYouWasMe
If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that.....
One guy at my old school said his father invented the toaster strudel.
One guy at my old school said his father invented the toaster strudel.
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When I was car-free for 7 years, I was much better off than I am now. Definitely NOT destitute.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
How many that are truly destitute have a computer and pay for an internet connection?
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
It is. I'm open to suggestions.
Some would consider it a luxury to own a bike.
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Originally Posted by cerewa
Just to put this in perspective...
despite what we first-world people see in our daily lives (and, usually, our far-from-home vacations too) most of the world's people are "destitute" by our standards, and the vast majority of them are car-free.
Me, I'm not doing great financially- I have plenty of school debt and I don't make much money. I don't own a car. I think I could own a car, barely. But I would have to be willing to accept a lot more debt.
I'm not really 100% car-free, though, because my partner has a car and we use it every month or so. She and her mom cover all of its costs, except that I pay for gas on the rare occasion that it actually needs any.
despite what we first-world people see in our daily lives (and, usually, our far-from-home vacations too) most of the world's people are "destitute" by our standards, and the vast majority of them are car-free.
Me, I'm not doing great financially- I have plenty of school debt and I don't make much money. I don't own a car. I think I could own a car, barely. But I would have to be willing to accept a lot more debt.
I'm not really 100% car-free, though, because my partner has a car and we use it every month or so. She and her mom cover all of its costs, except that I pay for gas on the rare occasion that it actually needs any.
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Originally Posted by deputyjones
That certainly qualifies. It's a better description than I had in mind.
Not many of them will vote in this poll.
I don't mean to make light of a very serious problem there. It's very sad.
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How many people that can afford internet access are destitute?
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Originally Posted by KrisPistofferson
How many people that can afford internet access are destitute?
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
How many that are truly destitute have a computer and pay for an internet connection?
Not car-free here, but car-lite. My 15 yo Subaru has been cheap to keep and is still reliable enough for road trips. Other expenses in my life are few. No debts or big responsibilities.
I have no real assets, very low income, and a bit of money saved. I guess I'd be called "poor."
But "poor" is merely an attitude.
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I'm very wealthy, when it comes to the things that "really" make a man wealthy. I have a good family, a good job, healthy kids, etc.
As far as money goes, I'm doing pretty good, more than some, less than some. But my lifestyle choice is DEFINATELY not due to lack of money. But it does play a role in me having a lack of debt, of any kind.
As far as money goes, I'm doing pretty good, more than some, less than some. But my lifestyle choice is DEFINATELY not due to lack of money. But it does play a role in me having a lack of debt, of any kind.
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Originally Posted by WishYouWasMe
If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that.....
One guy at my old school said his father invented the toaster strudel.
One guy at my old school said his father invented the toaster strudel.
Last edited by I-Like-To-Bike; 04-05-07 at 10:23 AM.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
There was a lot of money made in the early days in beaver pelts, whaling and importing slaves. I'm sure some decedents are still worry free because of family trusts built on those early fortunes.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
How many that are truly destitute have a computer and pay for an internet connection?
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Most of the car-free people I know are high-paid professionals making above the national average.
very few of them bicycle however.
very few of them bicycle however.