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Originally Posted by syn0n
(Post 5252485)
I understand the difference. The only problem with that logic is that you think sweeping generalizations are somehow inoffensive.
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Originally Posted by syn0n
(Post 5252182)
I don't think you understand. You're a stupid elitist on par with many of the motorists you hate so much.
People bought cars so that they could live cheaply in the suburbs, away from all of the crime of the city. Only problem is that more suburbanites die in car wrecks, than urban folks in random crime. Now with higher gas prices many are moving back. What about the poor need-based folks who spend too much on cars? Hey it is a free country why not, but at the end of the day I’d rather own nice real estate and send my kids to college, rather than own a nice car. Ever been to a play ground? There are no bike things; there are only steering wheels and cars things. Is it any wonder that you grew up and found a need to defend car- love? Then there are the songs, here is a tiny sampling. Route 66 Fun Fun Fun The Beach Boys Mustang Sally Pink Cadillac Little Red Corvette I Get Around Drive My Car Fast Car Race Car Ya Ya Cake Paradise by the Dashboard Stick Shifts And Safety Belts Cake American Mercedes Benz King of the Road You can turn a car into an extension of your personality but it really is only metal, plastic and rubber. How many poor suckers bought vettes, only to still have to pay for call girls? Actually you raise a good point. How is the average Joe going to survive without thier cars and pickup trucks? Cars do boost productivity. I could not imagine being a contractor for example without a truck. I can see that type of person seeing cyclists as elite a holes who have so much leasure time as to be able to ride thier bikes. Of couse we dont have to pay for gas or trucks! |
Mad Max.
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Originally Posted by Brian
(Post 5253383)
Mad Max.
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Originally Posted by Brian
(Post 5253383)
Mad Max.
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Originally Posted by Platy
(Post 5253586)
Who run Bartertown? Who... run... Bartertown?
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Originally Posted by Brian
(Post 5253634)
Blasphemer! I refer to Mad Max as an Australian driver's training video. Road Warrior was borderline ok, Beyond Thunderdome was a tragic waste of film.
Aunty Entity: That's easy. Pick a fight! |
Originally Posted by Platy
(Post 5253643)
Max: Thunderdome. How do I get in there?
Aunty Entity: That's easy. Pick a fight! |
Originally Posted by Brian
(Post 5253656)
I know a guy in Newcastle that built a replica of Max's car. That guy needs a better hobby.
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Originally Posted by slagjumper
(Post 5253061)
I don’t hate cagers, in fact I am one! I really don’t care if a person wishes to spend a lot of money on cars, it's just not for me. More and more people are seeing things this way, judging from the fact that there where more new bikes sold last year than new cars. It is easy to love cars. It comes so naturally in our society.
What about the poor need-based folks who spend too much on cars? Hey it is a free country why not, but at the end of the day I’d rather own nice real estate and send my kids to college, rather than own a nice car. Ever been to a play ground? There are no bike things; there are only steering wheels and cars things. Is it any wonder that you grew up and found a need to defend car- love? Now, the reason I said what I said is that I made an assumption when you said "cager" isn't derogatory enough. That assumption was that you blatantly dislike people simply because they have cars. That kind of thing is what I view as elitism, and there's really nothing I dislike more than an elitist. There's no way I really could have guessed otherwise from what you posted, so I'll retract my comment. As for the money issue, I'd agree that most people don't need cars, etc. Or they don't need to spend lots of money on them though. For me, however, both cars and bikes are a hobby. I don't spend my money on much else; I'd rather put it towards bike parts, or my next bike/car. I don't need the sports car. Lots of cars are much more practical, but I'm an enthusiast. And I don't need to spend a few grand on a Bianchi but I'll do it anyway because it's my hobby. I do happen to be a car commuter, and it is curently cheaper to live in the 'burbs and own a car (that figues in fuel, insurance, repairs, etc) than it would be for me to live where I'd need to to give up the car. |
Originally Posted by syn0n
(Post 5253931)
The reason I'm a car lover is the same reason I'm a bike lover - I love mechanical things, especially those that go. This isn't a product of my culture per se, but it has a lot more to do with the fact my father was a mechanic and I have the same aptitude for working with mechanical things.
Now, the reason I said what I said is that I made an assumption when you said "cager" isn't derogatory enough. That assumption was that you blatantly dislike people simply because they have cars. That kind of thing is what I view as elitism, and there's really nothing I dislike more than an elitist. There's no way I really could have guessed otherwise from what you posted, so I'll retract my comment. As for the money issue, I'd agree that most people don't need cars, etc. Or they don't need to spend lots of money on them though. For me, however, both cars and bikes are a hobby. I don't spend my money on much else; I'd rather put it towards bike parts, or my next bike/car. I don't need the sports car. Lots of cars are much more practical, but I'm an enthusiast. And I don't need to spend a few grand on a Bianchi but I'll do it anyway because it's my hobby. I do happen to be a car commuter, and it is curently cheaper to live in the 'burbs and own a car (that figues in fuel, insurance, repairs, etc) than it would be for me to live where I'd need to to give up the car. It's not elitist to have a strong opinion about something, even if that opinion antagonises others who have an equally strong opinion in the other direction. It's really hard to feel elite when you're alone on a bike on a busy highway, and big shiny beasts are breathing down your neck. This country is so whole-heartedly car-oriented, and the expense of the car you drive is so much the measure of personal success, that it comes as a shock to me that carfree status and bike ownership could signify elitism. So I learned something today. Cool. :) As for you being a car commuter, that's cool too. In a country where 92 % of the populace drives alone to work in a 2 ton vehicle, far be it for me to look down on any individual who does that. Everybody makes out a cost-benefit analysis of their lifestyle, and makes decisions accordingly. It's cheaper for you to drive than to bike or take a bus, an I have to respect your sincerity in making that decision. I would only ask that when people think of the costs of owning a car, they realize that some costs are not paid by them, but by the other creatures and humans who share the world with them. Those other external costs should be entered on the spreadsheet, but they usually are not. |
Originally Posted by Platy
(Post 5185944)
"Cager" is a word that's loaded with an element of contempt. It's a fine word to choose if you specifically want to express contempt. In general, though, the careless use of loaded words short circuits clear thinking and civil discussion.
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I do know that when I've told "motorists" about the term cager, they thought it was pretty funny and sorta true. most were surprised to learn that some cyclists could harbor ill feelings about them.
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Originally Posted by Roody
(Post 5254460)
I love giraffes but I don't keep one in my garage.
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Originally Posted by syn0n
(Post 5253931)
Now, the reason I said what I said is that I made an assumption when you said "cager" isn't derogatory enough. That assumption was that you blatantly dislike people simply because they have cars. That kind of thing is what I view as elitism, and there's really nothing I dislike more than an elitist.
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Originally Posted by Brian
(Post 5255082)
Duh. Mine's in the backyard.
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How about "caution cager on board" bumper stickers and swinging suction-cup signs.
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