Car Culture Trend
This is pretty much what living car-free is all about, isn't it?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...addtopollution |
Originally Posted by jonathan180iq
(Post 5295505)
This is pretty much what living car-free is all about, isn't it?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...addtopollution (i wonder what full-day parking is up to in NYC and Boston nowadays?) |
Originally Posted by jonathan180iq
(Post 5295505)
This is pretty much what living car-free is all about, isn't it?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...addtopollution |
"Lots on private property and multi-level parking garages were not counted, so Pijanowski says his parking space calculation is a significant underestimate."
If there were only one space per car the number of free spaces at any one time would equal the number of cars on the road at that time. Some parking garages have sloping floors so it would be difficult to convert them to affordable housing without tearing them down. My daughter was working at an ice rink that they created from the top level of a parking garage. I guess that when the mall neighborhood went high density, with ped and bike facilities the planned number of cars didn't materialize. The ice rink became a better use of the space. |
Originally Posted by gwd
(Post 5295955)
My daughter was working at an ice rink that they created from the top level of a parking garage. I guess that when the mall neighborhood went high density, with ped and bike facilities the planned number of cars didn't materialize. The ice rink became a better use of the space.
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Originally Posted by linux_author
(Post 5296223)
Ballston in Arlington?
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Originally Posted by Artkansas
(Post 5295941)
There's the achilles heel of all the ethanol, electric, hybrid answers. They still need parking lots, they still need big streets and freeways. Thats the 900lb gorilla that planners rarely talk about.
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Originally Posted by gwd
(Post 5296609)
Yes
(and i lived right down the street - great place for biking with good trail access!) |
Originally Posted by Artkansas
(Post 5295941)
There's the achilles heel of all the ethanol, electric, hybrid answers. They still need parking lots, they still need big streets and freeways. Thats the 900lb gorilla that planners rarely talk about.
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I don't think that it's only happening in America, as it can be seen in other countries as well. That being said, I think we are so entrenched in this type of culture and, on the whole, are pretty much a brainwashed people, that it consumes us.
Let me ask you something, O/T. I've been trying to propose some ideas for public transportation in my growing industrial city and I can't seem to find a good place, or person, to start with. Any ideas? Also, bike lanes are out of the question, as I've been shot down because there "simply isn't enough right-of-way" for bicycle lanes. |
Originally Posted by jonathan180iq
(Post 5298275)
Let me ask you something, O/T.
I've been trying to propose some ideas for public transportation in my growing industrial city and I can't seem to find a good place, or person, to start with. Any ideas? Also, bike lanes are out of the question, as I've been shot down because there "simply isn't enough right-of-way" for bicycle lanes. Bike lanes are a different story. The right-of-way issue is certainly valid sometimes, BUT, you may also ask about ROW dedication for rezonings, variances, etc. I say this because planning staff will frequently request that a petitioner dedicate additional right-of-way to have a petition approved. This usually takes the form of some kind of commitment for rezoning that reads, something like, "Petitioner shall dedicate a 75-foot half right-of-way within 180 days of the approval of this rezoning" In some cities they add specific language as to what the right-of-way is to be used for. You may approach your planning staff and see if that is feasible. However, as with most things in planning, there probably has to be some guiding plan in place that dictates when that is appropriate. If your city has a recommended cycling routes map or official bicycle mobility map, I bet your local planning staff would be pretty receptive to requesting the additional right-of-way during the rezoning or variance process, based upon the guidance of that plan. The problem would be that, if there is no plan in place, any lawyer could make a pretty strong argument that the request for additional right-of-way for bike lanes is arbitrary and should not apply. The other thing would be to request bicycle parking facilities along any corridor designated as a bike route, again, if you have a bike route plan in place. A key here is to be consistent. One of my usual routines when I have a petition in front of me is to check that route map to see if the case I have is located on one of these routes. If it is, you best believe I'm asking for bike parking facilities. (and I say "parking facilities" so as not to preclude bike lockers). |
Originally Posted by jonathan180iq
(Post 5295505)
This is pretty much what living car-free is all about, isn't it?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...addtopollution |
Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
(Post 5299286)
Those massive large parking spaces are blight that no one wants to live near. That why the motorist REQUIRE them to be built because they don't want to live in that neighborhood. The motorist only wants to drive there for work and live somewhere else.
Here in Whitfield County Georgia, they have been spending lots of money rennovating the sidewalks, streets and medians in the downtown area ( with no thought to bicycles, by the way). In doing so, they have effectively created a giant heating-pad. This new paved/bricked area covers what was once a round-a-bout with some large vegetation. All of the natural cooling has been eliminated and in the heat of summer it is pretty bad. Riding away after work, after the sun is settling down, the radiated heat feels as if someone opened the door to an over. It can be pretty unbareable(sp?). |
Yes, I'd much rather see a small footprint parking garage next to a big box store. But hey land is cheap. In addition to the reasons listed it's impractical to pedestrians to navigate a 1/4 mile large parking lot just to enter a Wal-Mart.
One benefit about my former congested home of L.A. is that businesses are forced to think of alternative parking solutions. The Beverly Center and that mall where Virgin and Crunch gym are have deep deep parking spiral garages built underground. The West L.A. Best Buy has parking on the roof! Perhaps city planners need to create the "problem" of not allowing a business to surround itself in an inproportionate sea of asphalt. |
We're currently experiencing the problem you just described. We're a population of 100,000 and growing and the county is just now realizing that they have thousands of acres of previously unused land. So, what did they do with it? They allowed a second Wal-Mart and a Home-Depot to come in and completely pave 30 acres of land with joining parking lots, which are never more than half full, and nothing in between.
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I think you guys overestimate the power of city planners. When it comes down to it, in most jurisdictions, planning is mostly a response to what the public wants (unfortunately). The public wants big parking lots and ease of automobile commuting.
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No no. I realize that. That's the problem. But, those same city planners are members of this community. I work right in the middle of this govt. It's currently only thinking about cars and expansion of our residential areas outside of the downtown development. I'm lucky enough to live within 6 miles of my office. Most residences here are 20-30 minutes away from downtown, in a car.
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Originally Posted by jonathan180iq
(Post 5303689)
No no. I realize that. That's the problem. But, those same city planners are members of this community. I work right in the middle of this govt. It's currently only thinking about cars and expansion of our residential areas outside of the downtown development. I'm lucky enough to live within 6 miles of my office. Most residences here are 20-30 minutes away from downtown, in a car.
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I really enjoy your comments.
By the way, your signature is pretty inspiring. Good work. I'll just say that if you leave what it is you are doing, which is obviously planning, then your community will have no one advocating for what we believe in. |
I think new suburban construction has just about run out of gas, so to speak. What's on the horizon for real estate development?
Gentrification of old inner city areas seems to be a trend that's already well underway. Also, razing old industrial areas and reconstructing them as large private projects is another thing that seems to already be happening. Old industrial areas don't have existing neighborhood associations to campaign against redevelopment. I don't know if other trendspotters have noticed it yet, but there might be a big opportunity in redeveloping large areas that were zoned in the 1970s for apartment complexes. I wonder if every city doesn't have a square mile of those apartment complexes that's dilapidated into a low rent, high crime area that no one knows what to do about. One example I've been studying is Vickery Meadows in Dallas. Very nice close-in location but the area suffers from every urban planning mistake that could have possibly been made. The question there seems to be, which is better: to tear everything down and start over, or to make a limited number of improvements that would increase the liveability and value of what is left. |
Originally Posted by jonathan180iq
(Post 5303843)
I really enjoy your comments.
By the way, your signature is pretty inspiring. Good work. I'll just say that if you leave what it is you are doing, which is obviously planning, then your community will have no one advocating for what we believe in. |
I don't know if other trendspotters have noticed it yet, but there might be a big opportunity in redeveloping large areas that were zoned in the 1970s for apartment complexes. |
Originally Posted by jamesdenver
(Post 5306259)
Many of ours are being turned into condos...
If you have a square mile of straight rental apartments, it's easy to buy up big blocks of complexes from a few owners, raze everything, then replace it with a standard car dependent subdivision. If maybe half the apartments have gone condo, it's much harder to tear down everything and redevelop from scratch. Too many ownership interests. In my dreams, a redeveloper would acquire several dilapidated rental complexes, tear down part of the units, reallocate space for schools, grocery stores, local retail, transit stations, public plazas, etc. Not parks! (Parks & greenbelts provide a place for criminal activity and violate the fundamental rule that the inhabitants of a neighborhood should be able to keep an eye on everything.) One fundamental reason private property owners might want to provide space for schools, transit stations, plazas, etc. is so that someone has the authority to call the police and eject problem people. The idea behind this kind of redevelopment is to take a dense urban development that already exists and to improve its value. Liveable, dense, urban areas tend to favor or at least support car free living. |
Originally Posted by Platy
(Post 5306553)
Excellent! Let me explain.
If you have a square mile of straight rental apartments, it's easy to buy up big blocks of complexes from a few owners, raze everything, then replace it with a standard car dependent subdivision. If maybe half the apartments have gone condo, it's much harder to tear down everything and redevelop from scratch. Too many ownership interests. In my dreams, a redeveloper would acquire several dilapidated rental complexes, tear down part of the units, reallocate space for schools, grocery stores, local retail, transit stations, public plazas, etc. Not parks! (Parks & greenbelts provide a place for criminal activity and violate the fundamental rule that the inhabitants of a neighborhood should be able to keep an eye on everything.) One fundamental reason private property owners might want to provide space for schools, transit stations, plazas, etc. is so that someone has the authority to call the police and eject problem people. The idea behind this kind of redevelopment is to take a dense urban development that already exists and to improve its value. Liveable, dense, urban areas tend to favor or at least support car free living. Aaron:) |
Originally Posted by Platy
(Post 5306553)
Not parks! (Parks & greenbelts provide a place for criminal activity and violate the fundamental rule that the inhabitants of a neighborhood should be able to keep an eye on everything.) |
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