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Old 06-05-08, 04:26 PM
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Makes You Want To Watch "who Killed The Electric Car?" Again.gm Dropped The Ball Then Too,now They Have To Play Catch-up With The Ready For Sale Electric/hydrogen/hybrid Vehicle Makers.they Were Riding The Wave For Sometime Selling' Keep Up With The Jones' Suv/trucks And Laughed All The Way To The Bank.while It Probably Costs $5k More To Make An Suv Than A Car,the Profit Margin Is Huge On A 40 To Mid 50k Road Monster.it Is A Shame The Auto Workers Have To Pay For The Lack Of Foresight.i Expect The Jobs Will Come Back,but The Gap For R+d And Re-tooling Is Going To Be A While.
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Originally Posted by BarracksSi
Hehehe...

And leave it to the guy to say, "Size isn't everything.."
It was cute and all. But in all honesty the video illustrated more the benefits of Ikea style packaging rather than the cargo capacity of the 2 vehicles.

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The Aptera was on the Evening News the other day (still not on the market yet). They were using it as contrast to the Hummer.
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Really sorry to hear that! IMO people should be able to drive whatever they want. With the price of gas and diesel, the more they pay for fuel, the more money goes to fixing the roads.
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Originally Posted by no cc
Makes You Want To Watch "who Killed The Electric Car?" Again.gm Dropped The Ball Then Too,now They Have To Play Catch-up With The Ready For Sale Electric/hydrogen/hybrid Vehicle Makers.they Were Riding The Wave For Sometime Selling' Keep Up With The Jones' Suv/trucks And Laughed All The Way To The Bank.while It Probably Costs $5k More To Make An Suv Than A Car,the Profit Margin Is Huge On A 40 To Mid 50k Road Monster.it Is A Shame The Auto Workers Have To Pay For The Lack Of Foresight.i Expect The Jobs Will Come Back,but The Gap For R+d And Re-tooling Is Going To Be A While.
You type like you are trying to finish in one breath...

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Originally Posted by derath
It was cute and all. But in all honesty the video illustrated more the benefits of Ikea style packaging rather than the cargo capacity of the 2 vehicles.

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It still show that with a little ingenuity and smart thinking, size really doesn't matter. Now we just need the video pitting the smart car vs the Big Dummy/Xtracycle.
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Originally Posted by politicalgeek
Excellent!

Now if they would only make a steampunk version of a smartcar I would buy one
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Originally Posted by AllenG

The Aptera was on the Evening News the other day (still not on the market yet). They were using it as contrast to the Hummer.
I'll take stuff like that seriously when you can actually buy one.

About 40 years ago, I had a chance to ride in a Tucker. Ghod, what a car that would have been had it actually come out in 1948 as planned. There's 53 of them in existence, all pre-production prototypes.

I look at the Aptera and all I can see is a Tucker.
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I think it will come closer to real than the Möller, but yeah. It's cool looking vapor ware right now.

What does exist is the Gem Car.
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Sadly, there are still companies out there marketing to the power-hungry, gas-guzzler, to-rich-to-care crowd. I saw one commercial the other day for a car where the city's power grid dipped as the car revved up. Sick imagery for these times.
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I used to amaze people with just how much I could put in my 1978 Honda Civic 1200 coupe...then I bought a 1982 wagon and it had at least a third more capacity.

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Cue:

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Originally Posted by AllenG

What does exist is the Gem Car.
Oooooo as someone who lives with a disability I love the look of that GEM
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur
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I take it you didn't like the Honda Civic 1200?

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I take it you didn't like the Honda Civic 1200?

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No, I apparently got busted by yanking a photo from this page:

https://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/lumber.asp
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur
No, I apparently got busted by yanking a photo from this page:

https://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/lumber.asp
I finally figured out what you are saying. You linked directly to a car image on the snopes page and their server substituted the Mr Yuk instead of delivering the image. Nice of them, huh.

Edit to add: If snopes is concerned about copyright and so forth, they should be aware that Mr Yuk is a registered trademark of the Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh...

Oh, I see it's been fixed. Never mind...

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Originally Posted by politicalgeek
It still show that with a little ingenuity and smart thinking, size really doesn't matter. Now we just need the video pitting the smart car vs the Big Dummy/Xtracycle.
Not really. Watching that video it isn't even an apple to apples comparison. If you tried to fit the boxes they were putting into the hummer into the smart car, they would not have fit, regardless of how smart you think.

So yes, cute video. But otherwise worthless.

Some better comparisons would have been:

1. I saved so much money in gas with the smart car I could afford to rent a pickup truck for the day...
2. I saved so much money in gas with the smart car I could afford in home delivery...

Or what I would love to see

A comparison of crash safety between the two. Frankly the main concerns that "I" see with people is that they don't feel the tiny cars would be safe enough on the roads.

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Originally Posted by derath
Some better comparisons would have been:

1. I saved so much money in gas with the smart car I could afford to rent a pickup truck for the day...
2. I saved so much money in gas with the smart car I could afford in home delivery...
Then again, both of those options would be defeating the purpose of the Smart car. Renting a pickup truck means guzzling gas, and having home delivery (which is what I thought he was going to do) just sends another gas guzzler out there.

I'd add a #3, I saved so much money in gas with the Smart car I could afford to not buy the floor model.
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Originally Posted by BarracksSi
Then again, both of those options would be defeating the purpose of the Smart car. Renting a pickup truck means guzzling gas, and having home delivery (which is what I thought he was going to do) just sends another gas guzzler out there.

I'd add a #3, I saved so much money in gas with the Smart car I could afford to not buy the floor model.
1. Renting the occasional truck to pick up large and bulky items is still better than owning a Hummer. Renting a small truck just for a short time such as this, the extra gas used would be negligable (Unless you are going out of state for furniture or something)

2. Busses and other mass transit are gas guzzlers. But they make it up by moving more people. Similarily getting delivery is still better than picking it up yourself in many cases. That delivery truck will lilkely make a bunch of deliveries in one run. One truck making say, 10 deliveries is gonna be better than 10 people coming individually to pick up their stuff.


But i never said those were great options either. Just a better comparison than what was shown in the video

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From one of the major car boards (edmunds.com), here's a real good, rational, honest look at what's going on with Hummer:

https://www.autoobserver.com/2008/06/...etly.html#more
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Originally Posted by TJ Relic
Sadly, there are still companies out there marketing to the power-hungry, gas-guzzler, to-rich-to-care crowd. I saw one commercial the other day for a car where the city's power grid dipped as the car revved up. Sick imagery for these times.
This is America. They still have the right to drive what they want - as long as they can pay for it.
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Originally Posted by derath
One truck making say, 10 deliveries is gonna be better than 10 people coming individually to pick up their stuff.
True, but then again, if they drove to the store to begin with, they'd save the delivery truck of another trip by taking the stuff home themselves; if they have it delivered, their round trip becomes merely an informational trip.

If they order via mail order, they could skip the drive to the store entirely, of course.

But yeah, they certainly skewed the video to favored the Smart. They didn't try bringing home furniture from a garage sale, either.
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Originally Posted by sykerocker
This is America. They still have the right to drive what they want - as long as they can pay for it.
That's why I never go on the freeway unless I'm driving my Bradley tank. You'd be all advised to get out of the way.
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That's why I never go on the freeway unless I'm driving my Bradley tank. You'd be all advised to get out of the way.
you've got a bradley? i've got one too! ain't america grand?!
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I think AM General was surprised that the Hummer could be sold as a civilian passenger vehicle. It is such a piggy car - an embarrassing testament to the Bush years of the USA's slathering over-indulgence. It was the equivelant of driving your kids to soccer in a military tank. Why? It made absolutely no sense at all other than complete vanity.

I don't know that the end of the Hummer is as surprising as the fact that it enjoyed any success in the consumer marketplace to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur
No, I apparently got busted by yanking a photo from this page:

https://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/lumber.asp
I have seen that one before...IIRC the story behind it, the guys were stoned out of their minds. I was referring to the ability of my Honda 1200 to swallow a dozen large paper bags of groceries, 40# bag of dog food...when people with the similar year of Lincoln had problems getting that much in the trunk.

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