While filling out a job application...
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While filling out a job application...
I came across this question:
Do you drive or rely on public transportation?
My first reaction was to give up on looking for work. I see this as a screening process, to weed out those who do not own a car. I answered: I rely on public transportation and drive an electric bicycle. I completed the application anyway. We'll see what happens.
Thoughts?
P.S. This application is for a tutoring position, and I'm already tutoring part-time with a supplemental education company. However, I'm looking for more work.
Do you drive or rely on public transportation?
My first reaction was to give up on looking for work. I see this as a screening process, to weed out those who do not own a car. I answered: I rely on public transportation and drive an electric bicycle. I completed the application anyway. We'll see what happens.
Thoughts?
P.S. This application is for a tutoring position, and I'm already tutoring part-time with a supplemental education company. However, I'm looking for more work.
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I've had to explain to more than a few people that Yes, a bicycle is viable transportation, that snow and rain don't slow me down too much, and that furthermore I won't drive up their health premiums the way that chainsmoking dip in the Escalade will. I don't understand how people are so unwilling to believe that a bike is an appropriate tool for commuting.
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Maybe you could just put "No". If you ride a bike then you do not use either. Of course, you could change the wording and say you drive a bike.
I hate this question, though for a tutoring position you will likely have to travel around a lot to different clients. When I was looking for an english teaching job in France I came across the same question.
I hate this question, though for a tutoring position you will likely have to travel around a lot to different clients. When I was looking for an english teaching job in France I came across the same question.
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I work on several LEED projects, some have to do with companies "greening up". Being a non auto commuter could actually be in your favor depending on the company. Bike commuting/ PubTrans is going become a more positive trait in the future.
Good luck with the job.
Good luck with the job.
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I've had to explain to more than a few people that Yes, a bicycle is viable transportation, that snow and rain don't slow me down too much, and that furthermore I won't drive up their health premiums the way that chainsmoking dip in the Escalade will. I don't understand how people are so unwilling to believe that a bike is an appropriate tool for commuting.
Now say I have a client downtown and one back near here:
Drive = 40 min round trip plus 1 hour tutoring = 1h40min
Bike = 2 hours round trip plus 1 hour tutoring = 3 hours
With a car I could teach one more student in the time I only teach one with the bike.
The question I usually see is more like "do you have reliable transportation" to which I answer yes.
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I doubt I will hear from them, but they will probably wonder how it is I'm working in the first place, and may consider me. Many have told me that these days, it's just best to flat out lie on an application, but I still cannot bear to do that.
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I even flew from france to meet with them, but I guess that didn't show them I was motivated enough. Oh well.
In my experience a good company will recognize your honesty and appreciate it.
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I understand that! Currently I'm doing the job search thing too, but I cannot lie. Actually I think that is why I didn't get the position in Boulder, cause when they asked me what I wanted to be doing in 5 years I told them. If only that related to what they did......
I even flew from france to meet with them, but I guess that didn't show them I was motivated enough. Oh well.
In my experience a good company will recognize your honesty and appreciate it.
I even flew from france to meet with them, but I guess that didn't show them I was motivated enough. Oh well.
In my experience a good company will recognize your honesty and appreciate it.
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Well, I am an engineer and in my profession honesty, integrity, and ethics are a big deal. Or at least they should be when when the public welfare is involved. It's in our "code of honor".
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At one job in the past, that question was necessary because the job site was at the edge of the city and transit did not provide 24-hour service. Those who relied on transit were unable to work certain shifts. For scheduling, the supervisors had to know how we were coming to work. That same employer also had other isolated work sites, some far enough from the bus lines to make a transit commute unworkable. A bike could be a workable solution, but in a city where winter temperatures would drop below -30C, sometimes for weeks at a time, winter cycling was a fringe activity.
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The intent is to weed out people who must use public transportation, since it is often inflexible and unreliable. Personal vehicles -- bikes and cars -- avoid these dificulties. Bikes and cars are functional equivalents, although cars are better for long distances. The principals of driving -- obeying signs and signals, staying on the right side of the road, and right-of-way determination are the same for bikes and cars. The answer is that you drive.
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A good friend of mine is also a tutor. In May, '09 he took possession of a custom trike. He now rides 100-150 miles per week and has all the clients he can handle. He even has several out-of-state clients, but he uses Skype for them. He has also dropped something like 75 pounds since he started cycling and is in the best shape of his life.
Don't be too bothered by the application question. All indications are that the era of "everyone in a car" is coming to an end. You're just a bit ahead of the curve, which is a good thing in a teacher.
Don't be too bothered by the application question. All indications are that the era of "everyone in a car" is coming to an end. You're just a bit ahead of the curve, which is a good thing in a teacher.
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I came across this question:
Do you drive or rely on public transportation?
My first reaction was to give up on looking for work. I see this as a screening process, to weed out those who do not own a car. I answered: I rely on public transportation and drive an electric bicycle. I completed the application anyway. We'll see what happens.
Thoughts?
P.S. This application is for a tutoring position, and I'm already tutoring part-time with a supplemental education company. However, I'm looking for more work.
Do you drive or rely on public transportation?
My first reaction was to give up on looking for work. I see this as a screening process, to weed out those who do not own a car. I answered: I rely on public transportation and drive an electric bicycle. I completed the application anyway. We'll see what happens.
Thoughts?
P.S. This application is for a tutoring position, and I'm already tutoring part-time with a supplemental education company. However, I'm looking for more work.
If they are that fussy and picky, don't feel bad. If they did hire you, I would not feel to comfortable about a place of employment that is too nosy about how I choose to get to work if it was me. But the most important thing to remember is....don't lie on any employment application. It could come back and haunt you later especially with the Internet as Big Brother now.
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It is a matter of proper and accurate wording without giving too much away. In reality, I myself do use public transit occasionally if I cannot use one of my bikes. I don't own a car at this point in my life (although I am open to the opportunity), I have a valid driver's license of my state, and do sometimes rent a car. So on your application if I was answering the question, I would say no I am not dependent on public transit, I have a valid driver's license and that is it. I would not volunteer any more information.
If they are that fussy and picky, don't feel bad. If they did hire you, I would not feel to comfortable about a place of employment that is too nosy about how I choose to get to work if it was me. But the most important thing to remember is....don't lie on any employment application. It could come back and haunt you later especially with the Internet as Big Brother now.
If they are that fussy and picky, don't feel bad. If they did hire you, I would not feel to comfortable about a place of employment that is too nosy about how I choose to get to work if it was me. But the most important thing to remember is....don't lie on any employment application. It could come back and haunt you later especially with the Internet as Big Brother now.
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1. You'll have some travel for your work, whether out-of-town runs or fast in-town deliveries.
2. The job site is not served by bus lines.
3. The work hours include some shifts when the transit does not run.
4. You'll be the first response contact if something goes wrong at the site and you have to get there within minutes.
I'd answer the question, but if it's brought up in the interview, I'd want to learn more.
Also, in a tight job market, I would be willing to make some concessions in order to be employed. The overall quality of life package is much more important to me than the specific details about how I get to work. Others have strong convictions about being car-free and will rather pass up a job than take one that requires a car. If that's your conviction, I respect it.
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Here are a few reasons an employer would ask about how you get to work.
1. You'll have some travel for your work, whether out-of-town runs or fast in-town deliveries.
2. The job site is not served by bus lines.
3. The work hours include some shifts when the transit does not run.
4. You'll be the first response contact if something goes wrong at the site and you have to get there within minutes.
I'd answer the question, but if it's brought up in the interview, I'd want to learn more.
Also, in a tight job market, I would be willing to make some concessions in order to be employed. The overall quality of life package is much more important to me than the specific details about how I get to work. Others have strong convictions about being car-free and will rather pass up a job than take one that requires a car. If that's your conviction, I respect it.
1. You'll have some travel for your work, whether out-of-town runs or fast in-town deliveries.
2. The job site is not served by bus lines.
3. The work hours include some shifts when the transit does not run.
4. You'll be the first response contact if something goes wrong at the site and you have to get there within minutes.
I'd answer the question, but if it's brought up in the interview, I'd want to learn more.
Also, in a tight job market, I would be willing to make some concessions in order to be employed. The overall quality of life package is much more important to me than the specific details about how I get to work. Others have strong convictions about being car-free and will rather pass up a job than take one that requires a car. If that's your conviction, I respect it.
FWIW I have been considering downgrading my job from the current 60-70 hours a week, 270 days a year on the road to something closer to home. Best I am going to be able to do is roughly half the current salary, that in itself is not a problem. But the expectations of some of the companies is: one company I applied for wants you to have a car so you can work at multiple locations in a 5 county area when staffing demands change (someone doesn't show up for work). I have found several other possibilities that are much better from a transportation point of view.
I think that employers need to worry less about how their people get to work, and more about the quality of the people they hire. If you hire someone that is mature and responsible they will get to work somehow.
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If I was asked that question on a job app, I would put down the truth, and still keep on searching for other means of employment. If you get hired by that particular business, great, if not, just keep looking. Down the road, that particular business might reconsider you for your honesty, or if too many employees keep calling in late or have too many no shows due to car trouble.
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This is an "or" question. If you do either then the correct answer is yes. If you do neither then the correct answer is no.
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When I entered the job market after university my parents urged me to finally get my restricted license - even though I never had any interest in getting it. "You'll need it for work!" they said. I had gotten my learners license a few years earlier simply as a form of ID, and the fact it was written test only
So, after my resistance I signed up to do my restricted test, but having never posessed much interest in driving, I took a few lessons, passed the test, no big deal (this is the only time I have ever driven mind you..)
First job interview I went for I got the job, working for an awesome company who doesn't really give a **** if you drive to work or not, in fact they encourage exercise & living healthy, so the restricted license has now long expired.
I guess the moral of the story is - not all jobs out there require the use of a car, and not all employers are concerned with it either. If the job requires you to have a car, then go for it if you really want the job, but otherwise keep looking if you want to stick to your principles. There are always solutions to the car issue and there have been a number of times when I would otherwise have been required to use a car, but managed fine on the bike. I cycle to my clients and they love the fact that I do, as does my employer, adds a touch of individuality
And if all else fails, just lie to get the job, if they fire you based on the fact you don't drive then I see that as discrimination and not fair grounds for dismissal, sue their asses ! (unless of course the job is for pizza deliver or something!)
So, after my resistance I signed up to do my restricted test, but having never posessed much interest in driving, I took a few lessons, passed the test, no big deal (this is the only time I have ever driven mind you..)
First job interview I went for I got the job, working for an awesome company who doesn't really give a **** if you drive to work or not, in fact they encourage exercise & living healthy, so the restricted license has now long expired.
I guess the moral of the story is - not all jobs out there require the use of a car, and not all employers are concerned with it either. If the job requires you to have a car, then go for it if you really want the job, but otherwise keep looking if you want to stick to your principles. There are always solutions to the car issue and there have been a number of times when I would otherwise have been required to use a car, but managed fine on the bike. I cycle to my clients and they love the fact that I do, as does my employer, adds a touch of individuality
And if all else fails, just lie to get the job, if they fire you based on the fact you don't drive then I see that as discrimination and not fair grounds for dismissal, sue their asses ! (unless of course the job is for pizza deliver or something!)
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When I entered the job market after university my parents urged me to finally get my restricted license - even though I never had any interest in getting it. "You'll need it for work!" they said. I had gotten my learners license a few years earlier simply as a form of ID, and the fact it was written test only
So, after my resistance I signed up to do my restricted test, but having never posessed much interest in driving, I took a few lessons, passed the test, no big deal (this is the only time I have ever driven mind you..)
First job interview I went for I got the job, working for an awesome company who doesn't really give a **** if you drive to work or not, in fact they encourage exercise & living healthy, so the restricted license has now long expired.
I guess the moral of the story is - not all jobs out there require the use of a car, and not all employers are concerned with it either. If the job requires you to have a car, then go for it if you really want the job, but otherwise keep looking if you want to stick to your principles. There are always solutions to the car issue and there have been a number of times when I would otherwise have been required to use a car, but managed fine on the bike. I cycle to my clients and they love the fact that I do, as does my employer, adds a touch of individuality
And if all else fails, just lie to get the job, if they fire you based on the fact you don't drive then I see that as discrimination and not fair grounds for dismissal, sue their asses ! (unless of course the job is for pizza deliver or something!)
So, after my resistance I signed up to do my restricted test, but having never posessed much interest in driving, I took a few lessons, passed the test, no big deal (this is the only time I have ever driven mind you..)
First job interview I went for I got the job, working for an awesome company who doesn't really give a **** if you drive to work or not, in fact they encourage exercise & living healthy, so the restricted license has now long expired.
I guess the moral of the story is - not all jobs out there require the use of a car, and not all employers are concerned with it either. If the job requires you to have a car, then go for it if you really want the job, but otherwise keep looking if you want to stick to your principles. There are always solutions to the car issue and there have been a number of times when I would otherwise have been required to use a car, but managed fine on the bike. I cycle to my clients and they love the fact that I do, as does my employer, adds a touch of individuality
And if all else fails, just lie to get the job, if they fire you based on the fact you don't drive then I see that as discrimination and not fair grounds for dismissal, sue their asses ! (unless of course the job is for pizza deliver or something!)
A quote from a legal service in the US.
“Problems with Suing Your Employer
In addition to the possibility of losing your job, if you obtained your job by lying on a resume, you may not be able to sue your employer, even if your employer has violated your legal rights. Say, for example, that you were dismissed from your job in an illegal manner, or passed up for a promotion because of racial discrimination; you may not be able to recover against your employer if your employer can show that they would have not hired you in the first place if you had been honest on your resume or application. In general, courts have found that employees that lied in order to get a position cannot later sue their employer claiming that they were wronged.”
You could take your chances and hope another employee doesn't drop a dime on you.
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Could you just say you did drive up until a few days after getting the job upon which you decided to give up driving? Technically @ the time of your employment you were driving