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First Major Grocery Load

Old 10-14-11, 05:36 PM
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First Major Grocery Load

First one with the new trailer, that is. I calculated the weight of the food/charcoal and added a guesstimation for the packaging, and came up with ~200 lbs. Trailer handled the load beautifully, much better than my old trailer did. Hardly knew it was back there.




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Old 10-15-11, 02:45 AM
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I really like what you did with the trailer, nice idea.
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Originally Posted by Fasteryoufool View Post
I calculated the weight of the food/charcoal and added a guesstimation for the packaging, and came up with ~200 lbs.
Hats off to you... I can't handle more than about 60-80 lbs heading up my hill home.... although I don't have to use the granny any more.

Another issue for me would be what to do with 200 pounds of food. That's an awful lot to eat.
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Originally Posted by gerv View Post
Hats off to you... I can't handle more than about 60-80 lbs heading up my hill home.... although I don't have to use the granny any more.

Another issue for me would be what to do with 200 pounds of food. That's an awful lot to eat.
It's pretty flat where I live, and I'm not alone... one wife with a healthy appetite, and 5 cats.
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Old 10-16-11, 12:52 AM
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Nice ! Also we can see one of your cats supervising the whole thing.
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Old 10-16-11, 01:25 AM
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Where did you get that trailer. Better yet, where can I get one? That's sweet!
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Old 11-08-11, 04:54 AM
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I did my first major grocery shopping trip last weekend.

Not a great distance, only about a mile round trip, but a significant step none-the-less.

I used my normal everyday hybrid bike with my touring Ortlieb Classic panniers on the back. Managed to fit in enough, potatoes, wine, veg, etc. to keep the two of us going for a week with smaller suplemental trips to come.

The main problem I encountered was with the weight on the back, getting through the gates on our local canal. They have metal gates to restrict access, where you have to bring your bike in, swing the gate over, turn your bike and wheel it out. No different to a normal touring load, just something I have to be aware of and be carefull with. These gates are common on canal towpaths in Ireland and caused major problems for a touring tandem couple from the States I hosted once.

I realise that living in a city, means it's a lot easier for me to do the grocery shopping on a bike than many of you other guys on LCF.
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Old 11-08-11, 12:15 PM
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Well done Fasteryoufool (and Caretaker)!

After mastering the commute to work, grocery shopping is the next challenge many people face as they work toward being carfree. Some of the old-timers on this forum probably remember when so many people posted "I can't be carfree because I have a pet and no way to carry food/litter on my bike." That doesn't seem to be so much of a problem any more!
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Grocery shopping is the easy part for me - I can manage that with two trips to the store per week. I've been doing it with a large insulated bag that straps over my shoulder, a back rack, and a recently added a Wald folding basket that makes it a lot easier. That's supported an average of 2.5 full-time inhabitants here (no pets, though).

The harder problem is the kids, who still need to be schlepped around, but are way too big to stick in a trailer, (14 and 17). But I figure I'm about 4 years from being able to go car-free, unless I can drive a radical culture and values shift in two teenagers...
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Originally Posted by tony_merlino View Post
...unless I can drive a radical culture and values shift in two teenagers...
Assuming that you are the parent, I don't see why not. They can follow your rules or they can strike out on their own...
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Assuming that you are the parent, I don't see why not. They can follow your rules or they can strike out on their own...
It wouldn't be fair to them to change the rules on them at this point. This is MY thing, not theirs - they shouldn't have to suffer for my quirks. Besides, what would I do? Tell them they have to drop out of activities at school? Come back by themselves 11PM? My area is reasonably safe, but only by urban standards - I am only a couple of miles from Newark. Anyway, I've never been a "my way or the highway" kind of parent, and I'm blessed with two responsible, decent kids. I can live with things as they are for a few more years.
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Originally Posted by tony_merlino View Post
It wouldn't be fair to them to change the rules on them at this point. This is MY thing, not theirs - they shouldn't have to suffer for my quirks. Besides, what would I do? Tell them they have to drop out of activities at school? Come back by themselves 11PM? My area is reasonably safe, but only by urban standards - I am only a couple of miles from Newark. Anyway, I've never been a "my way or the highway" kind of parent, and I'm blessed with two responsible, decent kids. I can live with things as they are for a few more years.
I'm not questioning or criticizing your decision, but just wondering hypothetically.

Let's supoose that a 17 year old lives in a "reasonably safe" urban or suburban area. and attends an activity about 5 miles from home that lets out at 11 PM. Is this young person safer riding a bike home alone, or driving a car?

Knowing the high auto accident rate among teenagers, I'm guessing that the bike might be safer. What do you think?
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
I'm not questioning or criticizing your decision, but just wondering hypothetically.

Let's supoose that a 17 year old lives in a "reasonably safe" urban or suburban area. and attends an activity about 5 miles from home that lets out at 11 PM. Is this young person safer riding a bike home alone, or driving a car?

Knowing the high auto accident rate among teenagers, I'm guessing that the bike might be safer. What do you think?
Well, he doesn't drive yet, but I don't think cycling around here at night is safer than driving for him, assuming he continues to be the kind of kid he is now, i.e. no alcohol or drugs, pretty level headed. We have our full complement of drunk and otherwise miserable drivers around here. If you're in a car and run into one, you at least have a couple of tons of metal around you to act as a buffer. On a bicycle, you're toast.

Besides the drunks (who are more likely to be out at night when the kids' activities let out), there are the daytime NJ drivers. I think I may have mentioned that NJ drivers have all the aggression of NYC drivers, with only a small fraction of the skill. I ride locally for errands, but I have no illusions about my safety. Every single day, something happens that reminds me of (1) the need for constant, unwavering vigilance, and (2) just how exposed and vulnerable I am out there on my bike.

I think a lot of us deal with motorist hostility to some degree. But this is another story. This is Sopranos country. (In fact, a number of episodes were filmed in this town.) Take your ordinary motorist hostility and raise it to the tenth power, add in a generally volatile temper and a commitment to rage as a way of solving problems, and you get an inkling of the spiritual environment you ride in around here. OK - you'd probably deal with similar attitudes from motorists across the river, in NYC. But there you have bike lanes, paths ... at least from officialdom, you have a nod saying you have a right to exist. And the traffic doesn't move very fast. Around here... fuhgetaboutit.

Unfortunately, my sons never really got into using a bicycle, either. We live in one of those areas where kids give up bicycles at about the age of 12, except for a few who are into BMX. They mostly hang around the playgrounds, smoking cigarettes and trying to jump their bikes so that the pegs skid along the seats of the benches. A lot of them have moved on to skateboards now.

Anyway, the choice so far hasn't been between my kids driving themselves or using a bike. I don't think cycling will ever be a real part of their lives, at least not in the foreseeable future.
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dude.

200 pounds on a trailer is not a grocery load.

it is a dead body.

still, i like it. and even has a weather cover.
lessee, you have tp and bread. life is good so far.

is that a cat on the porch?
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Originally Posted by tony_merlino View Post
It wouldn't be fair to them to change the rules on them at this point. This is MY thing, not theirs - they shouldn't have to suffer for my quirks. Besides, what would I do? Tell them they have to drop out of activities at school? Come back by themselves 11PM? My area is reasonably safe, but only by urban standards - I am only a couple of miles from Newark. Anyway, I've never been a "my way or the highway" kind of parent, and I'm blessed with two responsible, decent kids. I can live with things as they are for a few more years.
I can understand what you are saying. But there is a fine line between helping your kids out and setting a good example.

Maybe sometime you should get some bikes for your kids and take them on a bicycle tour. That might open up their minds.

Having said that, I don't claim to have made much headway with my kids either. But I do figure... one of these days... they'll all have an "ah ha!" moment. "That's what the old man was about... now I see it. Driving is kind of boring..."
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Originally Posted by tony_merlino View Post
It wouldn't be fair to them to change the rules on them at this point. This is MY thing, not theirs - they shouldn't have to suffer for my quirks. Besides, what would I do? Tell them they have to drop out of activities at school? Come back by themselves 11PM? My area is reasonably safe, but only by urban standards - I am only a couple of miles from Newark. Anyway, I've never been a "my way or the highway" kind of parent, and I'm blessed with two responsible, decent kids. I can live with things as they are for a few more years.
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Originally Posted by tony_merlino View Post
It wouldn't be fair to them to change the rules on them at this point. This is MY thing, not theirs - they shouldn't have to suffer for my quirks. Besides, what would I do? Tell them they have to drop out of activities at school? Come back by themselves 11PM? My area is reasonably safe, but only by urban standards - I am only a couple of miles from Newark. Anyway, I've never been a "my way or the highway" kind of parent, and I'm blessed with two responsible, decent kids. I can live with things as they are for a few more years.
As a parent, I agree with your approach. My child is a bit older than your two and has turned out just fine, in fact a lot better than myself at the same age.
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There's an interesting related thread over on the 'General Cycling Discussion' forum about the health benefits of cycling to the store.

For those who haven't seen it.

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post13471231
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Damn, and I was proud of myself for making my third trip to the grocery store last night, with my biggest load yet (40 pounds)!!

Good work!
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I can understand what you are saying. But there is a fine line between helping your kids out and setting a good example.

Maybe sometime you should get some bikes for your kids and take them on a bicycle tour. That might open up their minds.

Having said that, I don't claim to have made much headway with my kids either. But I do figure... one of these days... they'll all have an "ah ha!" moment. "That's what the old man was about... now I see it. Driving is kind of boring..."
My kids will have to discover the joys of cycling on their own, when and if. I blew it years ago with them, as far as instilling a love of it in them. I had a really nasty accident just before the younger one was born, almost 14 years ago, and while I continued to try to ride for a couple of years after that, I never recaptured that innocent joy of cycling that I had before that guy made an illegal left turn into me while I was going 27 mph down a hill into the intersection (I had the light, but he decided I was a bicycle, so I had no rights...) After about a year or so of trying to push myself to ride, the whole thing just fizzled out for me. I only came back to it last summer, and I'm still working to integrate it into my life in a way that makes sense.

To be fair to myself and to my kids, this area really SUCKS to ride around in. When I rode a lot, before the accident, I would consider that my ride really started when I got about 7 miles West of here. At that point, you can find roads that go for long stretches without intersections, don't have much traffic, have some nice scenery, good climbs with great views from the top, etc. Until then, it's pretty much the worst mix of urban and suburban you can imagine. Lots of traffic, motorists that seem to go through life in a constant state of either pissed off or spaced out (or some combination of the two), traffic lights spaced far enough apart so the cars get going too fast, but not so far apart that you can just get into a flow, people constantly pulling out of driveways and from the curb without looking, car doors opening ... On top of all that, we lived on a really busy street - I didn't even like to let my kids out to play in the front yard when they were little.

Anyway, I never pushed the kids to get comfortable riding in the street, and had fallen away from cycling myself for over ten years. So I can't blame anyone but myself for their lack of cyclomania.
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Anyway, I never pushed the kids to get comfortable riding in the street, and had fallen away from cycling myself for over ten years. So I can't blame anyone but myself for their lack of cyclomania.
Don't worry about it. My parents were cyclists before I was born, but gave it up when they moved to the suburbs and had children. I was completely unaware of this fact for years, and they never pushed me to be a cyclist. I just kind of discovered it on my own. So there's a chance your kids will too
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Don't worry about it. My parents were cyclists before I was born, but gave it up when they moved to the suburbs and had children. I was completely unaware of this fact for years, and they never pushed me to be a cyclist. I just kind of discovered it on my own. So there's a chance your kids will too
Whatever works for them. I'm not invested in this. I cycle because it makes me happy to do it, and really don't care if anyone else does it or not. (Though it would be nice if there were fewer cars on the road around here...)

Part of it is just enjoying problem-solving, part of it is the feeling of accomplishment when I can successfully schlep all sorts of junk around, part of it is seeing people look at me like I'm nuts (which is really giving me some kind of perverse thrill...), part of it is feeling the hills around here get just a little bit flatter every day that I ride, part of it is the glow that I feel after a store run - even though it's only 5 miles or so, round trip. I'm not out to convert anybody, not even my kids. I've always tried to let them be their own people, to the extent that their maturity permitted, and then just enjoyed the people they became.
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200 lbs thats just to much at one time I think but if you can do it why not.Just be careful.I am still building my BD and I will never haul that much at one time guess I am a wuss lol.
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