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Roody 11-04-11 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Dan The Man (Post 13452793)
The key to gloves I think is that they need to be windproof on the back of your hands. No amount of insulation is going to help when you are going 20 mph and the icy wind is cutting straight through. I wear Outdoor Research Windstopper gloves which are kinda expensive for what they are. I am sure other companies make something similar though. It's got a softshell palm and front and some kind of windproof material on the back.

Deerskin work gloves are also really nice for stopping the wind. I picked up a pair for $10. They are yellow though.

Those are all good suggestions. I would add that, if you're broke or something, any gloves can be made windproof with the addition of a few strips of duct tape or carton tape. This also has the advantage of raising your dork factor to new levels.

Heck, the coolest homeles guy I ever knew had a set of blaze orange hunting coveralls that were completely covered with transparent packing tape!

gerv 11-04-11 06:01 PM

While I will wear just about any Walmart winter glove, I do have a balaclava that I regard as the essential piece of winter clothing. It is amazing how a think fleece covering can keep your ears, neck and chin toasty. I won't leave home with it.

Roody 11-04-11 10:08 PM

Two simple items that will do better than the fanciest trek gear to keep you warm: long johns and a neck scarf (AKA muffler). Like gerv's balaclave, it's amazing how a simple little piece of fabric can do so much good.

Although gerv, I'm not real clear on how a Greek pastry can keep you cozy!


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gerv 11-05-11 04:39 PM

From answer.com


No, it is not a Greek/Middle Eastern pastry. Balaclava is a sort of cap worn especially by mountain climbers and skiers. It covers their head and neck. Named after the battle of Balaclava during a very cold Crimea War.

Baklava is a type of pastry (thin layers of pastry, lots of honey and nuts), and I think it is Turkish.

Baklava is a pastry made with filo dough,nuts,honey, 1 sheet of filo dough,brush butter on filo add honey and nut mixture-repeat over and over about 12 times-bake great Turkish Pastry-Greeks also make it. but it is a Turkish Pastry.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_ba...#ixzz1csCvh1Ub
Roody if you bought balaclava at the store and they told you it was Greek, you've been fleeced... :)

dedhed 11-05-11 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Artkansas (Post 13448389)
I'm pretty good on everything except gloves. Still haven't got them nailed. My hands run very cold and I haven't found any combination of layers that is remotely good.


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dcrowell 11-05-11 07:49 PM

My winter gear hasn't held up well... it was cheap. I need to spring for some new stuff.

Suggestions?

Roody 11-05-11 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by gerv (Post 13457290)
From answer.com



Roody if you bought balaclava at the store and they told you it was Greek, you've been fleeced... :)

Oh man that's an AWFUL pun!

:D

Roody 11-05-11 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by dcrowell (Post 13457930)
My winter gear hasn't held up well... it was cheap. I need to spring for some new stuff.

Suggestions?

I assume you're talking about clothing?

I would start at a resale shop, preferably in a ritzy neighborhood. (I'm lucky--I spend a lot of time in northern Michigan, where thrift shops have lots of high-end skiing, hiking and hunting gear.)

Look for good wool sweaters that are soft enough to wear next to skin. I bought a Brooks Bros. cashmere sweater for $3 at Salvation Army that was my winter undershirt for several years.)

You can buy good long johns at discount stores. I like the ones that are mostly polyester, with a little lycra so they hug the skin.

I could go on and on, but I won't. If anybody has any specific questions, I (and others) can try to give you agood answer.

nubcake 11-05-11 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by Artkansas (Post 13448389)
I'm pretty good on everything except gloves. Still haven't got them nailed. My hands run very cold and I haven't found any combination of layers that is remotely good.

Have you tried poggies? If anything will work these will. I would post a link but i am playing on my fancy phone.

redeyedtreefr0g 11-06-11 03:43 AM

I'd like to ask about riding through snow. You can see my bike in my signature, and this is my first winter.

I'm pretty sure, based on the way my sneakers liked to try and slide around on the thin layer of snow we got today (our second snowfall, yay!) that my tires need help. Whether I get different tires (cyclocross I've been told will have knobs in my size) and stud them or try to make snow chains (tried idly once and failed, but they seem the cheaper option and I'm poor).

I've heard snow is very variable, but is there anything you can share in regards to riding on the stuff? I'm thinking I will be riding on the roads only, but there is a bike path also. I don't think they will plow it.

Will my bike get hurt having snow on it? I have the option of parking under the roof of the porch, but I'd prefer to have my bike right outside the door on the other side of the house. Also, do I need to wipe it down when going from the cold outside to a warm inside (where it gets lots of condensation on it)?

If my sneakers are wet, they tend to slide off the pedals much easier. I don't have snow boots yet, but the tread on my sneakers isn't flat. Will snow boots behave better? Perhaps I just need to be more careful. Is there such a thing as a snow boot? I don't see any adult boots like I remember wearing as a kid in my brief time in Maryland, so I wondered what features I might need to look for.

That's quite a lot for now, but I'd appreciate any advice and suggestions or stories that get shared. I'm sure I'll figure some things out for myself, but getting a head start with your experiences would help a lot, I'm sure.

dcrowell 11-06-11 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Roody (Post 13458396)
I assume you're talking about clothing?

I would start at a resale shop, preferably in a ritzy neighborhood. (I'm lucky--I spend a lot of time in northern Michigan, where thrift shops have lots of high-end skiing, hiking and hunting gear.)

Look for good wool sweaters that are soft enough to wear next to skin. I bought a Brooks Bros. cashmere sweater for $3 at Salvation Army that was my winter undershirt for several years.)

You can buy good long johns at discount stores. I like the ones that are mostly polyester, with a little lycra so they hug the skin.

I could go on and on, but I won't. If anybody has any specific questions, I (and others) can try to give you agood answer.

I was referring to clothing, sorry. I bought two wool sweaters at Goodwill a couple of years ago. They seem to be in short supply around here. One is comfy but tattered. The other is scratchy and a little small.

I haven't owned long johns in years. I'll have to look into that. I also need good cheap windproof pants.

Roody 11-06-11 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by dcrowell (Post 13459233)
I was referring to clothing, sorry. I bought two wool sweaters at Goodwill a couple of years ago. They seem to be in short supply around here. One is comfy but tattered. The other is scratchy and a little small.

I haven't owned long johns in years. I'll have to look into that. I also need good cheap windproof pants.

If you get the long johns you probably won't need special pants. The pants I like in winter are
a) hiking pants--tight-woven quick-dry fabric, lined or not. These are available from sporting goods stores in many variations.
b) washable wool pants. At the thrift store, look for wool uniform pants, like cops and others wear.
But truthfully, mostly I just wear cotton Dockers or jeans. That brings up a good point. I am mostly a carfree or everyday cyclist. I usually ride only an hour or two a day, and that's broken up into shorter legs. I don't get very cold because my exposure time is short, and I'm exercising. (As a carfree person, the only time I get cold is when I'm waiting for a bus.) My sense from this forum is that most everyday cyclists fall into this category. What we need is sensible clothing that's reasonably warm, comfortable, durable, and versatile. We don't really need to dress like we're conquering Everest or cycling to the South Pole.

I own technical winter gear, but I use it mainly when I go ice biking, or on a long winter road ride. If I had a 20-mile commute or store run, I would also want specialized clothing. But I commute to work wearing long johns, khaki pants, long-sleeve undershirt and shirt, and a soft shell jacket. If it's really cold, say < 20F, I will throw on a wool sweater. I don't have to change clothes when I get to work, and I'm ready to ride when my shift is over.

dcrowell 11-06-11 10:57 AM

Good points Roody. My commute is short, so exposure time is limited for that.

I do go on the long rides in the winter though. I guess I've been lazy. I need to hit up the thrift stores again, and Target, and if I get desperate, the sporting goods stores.

I hate shopping. I really do.

Artkansas 11-06-11 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by Roody (Post 13449011)
I don't what you've tried, but it shouldn't be hard to find good gloves for your relatively mild winters in Arkansas. There are different brands of lightweight gloves that are made out of Polarfleece of a similar fleece. If they contain a product called Thinsulate, they will be warm, light, and possibly cheap.

If these thinner gloves don't do it for you, try gloves for hiking or skiing. Stores like Sears and Kmart sell a good variety of warm gloves for around $15 ti $30.

Well, I just got some new thinsulate gloves. Unlike the older ones that are fleece covered, these have a nylon shell. Hopefully. that will cut the wind enough to give me some warmth.

KDC1956 11-06-11 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by Bike_UK (Post 13451453)
I was going to suggest this - the body keeps itself warm from the core out. So if your torso is cold, blood flow is reduced to the extremities (hands and feet) to try and keep the temperature around your internal organs up. Also try wearing a hat as the brain needs to be kept warm first too.

So that's what is wrong with me no brain.:eek:

Dan The Man 11-07-11 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by redeyedtreefr0g (Post 13458764)
I'd like to ask about riding through snow. You can see my bike in my signature, and this is my first winter.

I'm pretty sure, based on the way my sneakers liked to try and slide around on the thin layer of snow we got today (our second snowfall, yay!) that my tires need help. Whether I get different tires (cyclocross I've been told will have knobs in my size) and stud them or try to make snow chains (tried idly once and failed, but they seem the cheaper option and I'm poor).

I've heard snow is very variable, but is there anything you can share in regards to riding on the stuff? I'm thinking I will be riding on the roads only, but there is a bike path also. I don't think they will plow it.

Will my bike get hurt having snow on it? I have the option of parking under the roof of the porch, but I'd prefer to have my bike right outside the door on the other side of the house. Also, do I need to wipe it down when going from the cold outside to a warm inside (where it gets lots of condensation on it)?

If my sneakers are wet, they tend to slide off the pedals much easier. I don't have snow boots yet, but the tread on my sneakers isn't flat. Will snow boots behave better? Perhaps I just need to be more careful. Is there such a thing as a snow boot? I don't see any adult boots like I remember wearing as a kid in my brief time in Maryland, so I wondered what features I might need to look for.

That's quite a lot for now, but I'd appreciate any advice and suggestions or stories that get shared. I'm sure I'll figure some things out for myself, but getting a head start with your experiences would help a lot, I'm sure.

The problem isn't the snow so much as the salt. Snow and salt makes a deadly slush that will kick up and get in your chain, wheels, cassette, bearings etc. If you ride in slush and then leave your bike somewhere to melt for a while, it eats away at everything rustable. So either leave it below 0 and don't let it melt, or take it in and wipe it down, or just let your bike rust over the winter.

Roody 11-07-11 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Dan The Man (Post 13462759)
The problem isn't the snow so much as the salt. Snow and salt makes a deadly slush that will kick up and get in your chain, wheels, cassette, bearings etc. If you ride in slush and then leave your bike somewhere to melt for a while, it eats away at everything rustable. So either leave it below 0 and don't let it melt, or take it in and wipe it down, or just let your bike rust over the winter.

Maybe even more than the salt, I think the mud and the grit (road crews mix sand with salt) are also culprits. Yes you should rinse your bike off and wipe it down. That said, I never do it. I'm way too lazy to stand in the cold and polish my bike! I like to ride a nice but not too pricey MTB in the winter, preferably with an aluminum frame. I think I replace drive train components and parts more often, but it's no big deal.

A trip to the self-serve car wash is the only way I've found to clean off that nasty winter sludge. Other people might have better solutions. Fenders will keep some of the sludge off the bike (and the rider).

Doohickie 11-07-11 10:34 AM

It's been a weird year so far. We've had a few fronts blow through and I think, well, this is it. Then we have days like yesterday. I did an evening group ride yesterday, wore shorts and a t-shirt with a flannel shirt over top just in case, and ran all evening with it unbuttoned since it was so warm. When it does get cold, I feel less tolerant of it than in past years.

Roody 11-07-11 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by redeyedtreefr0g (Post 13458764)
[COLOR="#006400"]I'd like to ask about riding through snow....
I've heard snow is very variable, but is there anything you can share in regards to riding on the stuff? I'm thinking I will be riding on the roads only, but there is a bike path also. I don't think they will plow it.

Yes, it is variable. By the time your first winter is over, you'll be able to "read" the snow and ice and adjust your riding to it. Deep fresh snow is almost like riding through sand--a little slippery, but a lot of HARD WORK. After cars have churned it, snow gets slipperier--more like riding through mud. On unplowed side streets, ruts will eventually form and it's like riding on poorly maintained singletrack with lots of roots and rocks.

Remember, in most cases the main roads will be plowed and salted. A few hours after the snowstorm, and these main roads will be no different than riding on a wet highway in the summertime. This means that most winter riding is no different than summer riding. Worst case,mMaybe you will have to walk your bike on some of the side streets after a big storm, at least if you don't have studded tires. This is especially likely if there's a little uphill. Your tires might just spin in place, amusing onlookers but getting you nowhere. Just maintain a flexible and adaptive attitude, and you will get through!


If my sneakers are wet, they tend to slide off the pedals much easier. I don't have snow boots yet, but the tread on my sneakers isn't flat. Will snow boots behave better? Perhaps I just need to be more careful. Is there such a thing as a snow boot? I don't see any adult boots like I remember wearing as a kid in my brief time in Maryland, so I wondered what features I might need to look for.
Sounds like you might need new pedals more than new shoes. Try BMX pedals, or metal pedals with little "teeth" that grip your shoes. Some people like toe clips (the kind with straps) or something similar. And of course clipless systems (where your shoe has a little metal thing that clips into a cleat on the pedal) are very popular.


That's quite a lot for now, but I'd appreciate any advice and suggestions or stories that get shared. I'm sure I'll figure some things out for myself, but getting a head start with your experiences would help a lot, I'm sure.
I'm sure that others will be able to add a lot to answer your questions. I will just add that it's mostly psychological. Life isn't really about arriving at a destination. It's about how you got there--and the fun you had along the way.

Roody 11-07-11 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Artkansas (Post 13460920)
Well, I just got some new thinsulate gloves. Unlike the older ones that are fleece covered, these have a nylon shell. Hopefully. that will cut the wind enough to give me some warmth.

I don't know why it's so hard to find good gloves, but it is. :(

redeyedtreefr0g 11-07-11 10:45 AM

Thanks Roody :D

tony_merlino 11-07-11 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Roody (Post 13449011)
I don't what you've tried, but it shouldn't be hard to find good gloves for your relatively mild winters in Arkansas. There are different brands of lightweight gloves that are made out of Polarfleece of a similar fleece. If they contain a product called Thinsulate, they will be warm, light, and possibly cheap.

If these thinner gloves don't do it for you, try gloves for hiking or skiing. Stores like Sears and Kmart sell a good variety of warm gloves for around $15 ti $30.

+1 on the Thinsulate gloves.

tony_merlino 11-07-11 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Roody (Post 13458396)
I assume you're talking about clothing?

I would start at a resale shop, preferably in a ritzy neighborhood. (I'm lucky--I spend a lot of time in northern Michigan, where thrift shops have lots of high-end skiing, hiking and hunting gear.)

Look for good wool sweaters that are soft enough to wear next to skin. I bought a Brooks Bros. cashmere sweater for $3 at Salvation Army that was my winter undershirt for several years.)

You can buy good long johns at discount stores. I like the ones that are mostly polyester, with a little lycra so they hug the skin.

I could go on and on, but I won't. If anybody has any specific questions, I (and others) can try to give you agood answer.

Merino wool jerseys made for outdoorsy activities usually cost an arm and a leg. But I've found a bunch of merino sweaters at the local thrift shop and on craigslist, for anywhere from $1 to $10. They're soft enough to wear next to your skin, are lightweight, keep you warm and wick moisture away from you. And the wool supposedly has a natural antibacterial property that keeps you from smelling too manly after riding (or womanly, as the case may be).

Roody 11-07-11 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by tony_merlino (Post 13464403)
And the wool supposedly has a natural antibacterial property that keeps you from smelling too manly after riding (or womanly, as the case may be).

I don't know if it's antibacterial, but wool almost never gets funky. The cashmere sweater I had was worn next to my skin almost every day for two or three winters, and I never had it washed or dry cleaned. This is really not as disgusting as it sounds!!

tony_merlino 11-07-11 03:03 PM

What do you do for headgear? It would be great if there were an alternative that you could wear under your helmet, and then just keep on when you go into the store or wherever. I've been considering a traditional wool cycling cap, if for nothing other than the extreme dorkiness of it. I guess a skull cap could work, too.


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