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Old 03-26-13, 01:14 PM
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The question is, if robots take over the economy and run the world as you say they will some day, then what will be the purpose of a human life on this earth ??
Is there a purpose for us now?
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
I'm more and more convinced that cars are not the problem: Highways are the problem.
That and parking lots. If we could keep cars up on blocks in the front yard where they belong, or occasionally allow them to be trailered to car shows, I'd be good with that.





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I don't care if you are on a unicycle, as long as you're not using a motor to get places you get props from me. We're here to support each other. Share ideas, and motivate one another to actually keep doing it.

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Originally Posted by Booger1 View Post
We can't even predict the weather....and we can see that.
Very true, we can't fully predict the weather or the future. OTOH, we do have some partial control over the future of transportation. We can't choose rain patterns, but we do (collectively) decide where to put a bike lane or even bike tube.

The first President Bush supposedly said, "It's a vision thing." Call it vision, dream or prediction, we need to set a goal before we can ever get anywhere. Democracy means that we all share in the dream, we all get a voice to express our vision, and we all do our part to make a prediction into a reality. One prediction is that the Internet will help us to do this.
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Is there a purpose for us now?
The plants are depending on us to get them to a new star before the sun goes wobbly.
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Old 03-26-13, 03:16 PM
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Is there a purpose for us now?
It all depends on the individual persons state of mind and attitude toward life...Puropse in life is something that each individual person has to figure out for themselves, it a personal thing.
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Originally Posted by Booger1 View Post
We can't even predict the weather....and we can see that.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, when you can see the conjunction of several events, it's more of a likely outcome that private passenger automobiles will some cease to exists or will have greatly diminished roles in our lives. I mentioned that we will likely run low on several resources, like gasoline. But a much bigger event may be the demand from emerging countries like China, Brazil, Russia... the demand for car will likely drive the whole phenomenon over a cliff...
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That's some real science fiction stuff...The question is, if robots take over the economy and run the world as you say they will some day, then what will be the purpose of a human life on this earth ?? What will humans do when robots do everything for them ??
The answer is in short story written back in the golden age of sci-fi by one of the sci-fi greats. I believe the title was "With Folded Hands".

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Is there a purpose for us now?
Yes. To eventually grow up, leave this planet, and go explore the universe.

Or...sit on porch every evening and contemplate every beautiful sunset simply for the sheer enjoyment of it.
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Old 03-29-13, 09:31 AM
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The answer is in short story written back in the golden age of sci-fi by one of the sci-fi greats. I believe the title was "With Folded Hands".
Sounds interesting. Can you synopsize this for us?
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Sounds interesting. Can you synopsize this for us?
Ask and ye shall receive?

Might have to go digging, I still have a sizable collection of those magazines from my grandfather and father, not sure how far back they go. But I recall my grandfather reading them when I was very young and there were stacks and stacks of them in the spare room at their house. I believe my dad took most of them and still has them in storage, hopefully cataloged.

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Ask and ye shall receive?

Might have to go digging, I still have a sizable collection of those magazines from my grandfather and father, not sure how far back they go. But I recall my grandfather reading them when I was very young and there were stacks and stacks of them in the spare room at their house. I believe my dad took most of them and still has them in storage, hopefully cataloged.

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Thanks, Aaron, looks like a good story. Right now we have a big population and robots don't seem like such a great idea. But if the birth rate stays as low as it is now, it won't be long before we have an aging and declining population. We might turn more to automation, and this story shows that there might not be a good outcome.

Actually, I read somewhere that the Japanese are already starting to make robots to care for the aged and even serve as companions.
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Whatever we eventually ride or drive won't have the waste heat of large gasoline engines. Cabin heat will be added cost and weight and performance loss, or unavailable. Travelling in cold weather will be less comfortable, more dangerous, and generally less done. Populations will shift to moderate climates.
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Whatever we eventually ride or drive won't have the waste heat of large gasoline engines. Cabin heat will be added cost and weight and performance loss, or unavailable. Travelling in cold weather will be less comfortable, more dangerous, and generally less done. Populations will shift to moderate climates.
What I ride today doesn't have cabin heat. Come to think, it doesn't even have a cabin. But I'm not uncomfortable and I travel as much as people with cars.

I do live in the moderate climate of Michigan, where it's never too cold in summer or too hot in the winter.
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Whatever we eventually ride or drive won't have the waste heat of large gasoline engines. Cabin heat will be added cost and weight and performance loss, or unavailable. Travelling in cold weather will be less comfortable, more dangerous, and generally less done. Populations will shift to moderate climates.
I guess they will have to balance the cost of heating versus air conditioning. People may turn down the heat in buildings and cars and dress more warmly, like they used to - with blankets for the kids in the back seat, etc.
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I guess they will have to balance the cost of heating versus air conditioning. People may turn down the heat in buildings and cars and dress more warmly, like they used to - with blankets for the kids in the back seat, etc.
I'm not so sure everybody would move to the sun belt if energy magically disappeared. History tells us that before air conditioning was invented, most of the population lived in regions with cold winters and mild summers.
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"I remember seeing a web site some time back about two-stroke engines that were mounted on a pannier rack and drove the rear wheel of a bicycle directly, had a fuel tank containing maybe a couple of pints and offering fuel economy in excess of 200mpg. I rather like the idea of travelling the 600 miles to visit friends and it only costing $12 in gas."

dunno, dude. i've had mo-peds, 49cc engines, speed <20mph. take forevvvvvvvvvvvvver to go 600 miles. your back and butt would be screaming, gotta overnight 2 nights, 600 miles in a storm of some kind....
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I'm not so sure everybody would move to the sun belt if energy magically disappeared. History tells us that before air conditioning was invented, most of the population lived in regions with cold winters and mild summers.
It makes a lot of sense to do so. It isn't too difficult to heat up a cold house or to put on extra layers of clothing to stay warm, but cooling down a building in a hot climate is more involved.
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It makes a lot of sense to do so. It isn't too difficult to heat up a cold house or to put on extra layers of clothing to stay warm, but cooling down a building in a hot climate is more involved.
However at least in the US moving to warmer climates seems to be the case. At least if we are to believe our government. https://www.census.gov/prod/2/pop/p25/p25-1131.pdf

And if we had a sudden loss of energy warming to keep from freezing might be harder than learning to live with sweaty sheets.
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However at least in the US moving to warmer climates seems to be the case. At least if we are to believe our government. https://www.census.gov/prod/2/pop/p25/p25-1131.pdf

And if we had a sudden loss of energy warming to keep from freezing might be harder than learning to live with sweaty sheets.
Interesting charts in that link. I keep wondering where they'll find the water to support all this growth in the Southwest.
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Heating a house in cold weather is as simple as putting in a fireplace or a wood stove. It need not require any electricity or fossil fuels. All that is needed is a supply of wood or other combustible materials. The necessary technology has been around for many thousands of years.

Cooling a house in hot weather usually involves a supply of reliable electrical energy. Before the advent of air conditioning, sunbelt cities, especially those in the desert southwest area of the United States, did not get the migration and growth they see today.
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Interesting charts in that link. I keep wondering where they'll find the water to support all this growth in the Southwest.
They won't find the water. They'll use the water that's there until it isn't there anymore. Then they'll move somewhere else. People have been doing that for thousands of years in the Southwest.
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Cooling a house in hot weather usually involves a supply of reliable electrical energy.
How about keeping a house's interior cool by using traditional construction techniques like thick walls and building around an interior patio? It's amazing how well this works.
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I keep wondering where they'll find the water to support all this growth in the Southwest.
Canada has lots of water ,I am sure we could sell some.. all we need is a pipeline to get the water where it's needed. In the future, water may become a more precious commodity then oil.
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Heating a house in cold weather is as simple as putting in a fireplace or a wood stove. It need not require any electricity or fossil fuels. All that is needed is a supply of wood or other combustible materials. The necessary technology has been around for many thousands of years.
The problem with using wood is that it will lead to deforestation. With over 6 billion people on this earth using wood as fuel would not be sustainable for very long. I love forests and I would hate to see them all get chopped down. Keep in mind that large parts of Greenland and Iceland were at one time covered in forests, until humans begun to settle it, and it didn't take very long before all the trees were gone.
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Canada has lots of water ,I am sure we could sell some.. all we need is a pipeline to get the water where it's needed. In the future, water may become a more precious commodity then oil.
Don't laugh, it is coming. My brother lives in Denver and water rights are serious business. He wanted to put in a rain barrel to use for his garden, nope not allowed, the water that falls on his house has to be allowed to run off to enter the ground water.

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