Roody

Absolutely.

Smallwheels

It's kind of funny the way you berate me with your condescending comment. You feel I should kowtow to idiots and give up my personal integrity just to get a job. Then you must be a real brown nose where you work.

Why should any boss be concerned with the method one uses to arrive at work on time? If a person gets to work on time then that is all that matters. If a boss demands one own a car then that job had better pay for it. If they won't pay for it then they're expecting you to donate $5000 per year or more of your labor to them. No thanks. Any boss or human resources person who can't recognize that is either a moron or just plain evil. Maybe they just want stupid serfs to work for them.

Anybody who has the determination to get on their bike and pedal to and from work all year long would seem to me to be a person with a lot of potential to do good work. Car centric people might not see it that way.

Ekdog

They'll even go so far as to fire a person for being homless: https://www.cynical-c.com/2013/04/01/...eing-homeless/

krobinson103

I have a car, a scooter. and three bikes. The car never goes anywhere, the scooter rarely moves and the bikes take me everywhere on time, in any weather. Yes I have transportation, yes I always get to work early, and yes, since I take the time to get cleaned up as soon as I get I'd bet I'm just as presentable as someone who jumped in the car.

If they don't like my transport I'll work somewhere else.

wolfchild

How can you hate a boss for which you've never worked and don't even know them ?? A short job interview is not enough time to get to know a person and all their negatives or positives. You may not agree with me on this, but I believe that it's possible to work with people that you don't like excatly 100%
The purpose of a job interview is to get a job. Arguing with a boss during job interview and telling your potential boss on how they should run their business is not a good strategy... If you decide during the job interview that you don't want to work for that company, they just leave quietly. No need to preach ideaology. Your boss is under no obligation to agree with your personal views.

I-Like-To-Bike

Why do you interview for jobs where you know your "personal integrity" will not allow you to work?
Have you found a job yet that meets your approval and standards of personal integrity?
Despite what Roody has declared, I think you can ride your bike to McDonalds and get a job in the kitchen and maintain your personal integrity.

chewybrian 

I used to own a restaurant. I never asked job applicant if they had a car. At that time (late 90's), finding help was not easy. But, I can see the motivation for the attitude. Many of the call-outs I had came from supposed auto break-downs, or the fact that, for whatever reason, the worker without a car could not negotiate a ride. I would see the question as an attempt to sift out the unreliables, and not an anti-poor policy. In fact, some of the poor people were the most dependable workers.

I think the common response to a CEO without a car is that they are principled, quirky, or interesting. It's self-evident that the CEO made a conscious choice to go without a car. The poor guy without a car is viewed in a different light. It is assumed that the poor guy doesn't have a choice, and has no car because of a DUI, or lack of cash.

A CEO (not from Mcd's) without a car:

https://www.fastcoexist.com/1681112/w...-dis-ownership

Roody

Lol isn't that supposed to be the whole purpose of a job interview? But you're right of course. There is no way for the interviewer to let to know the applicant in an interview. That's why there's an entire industry of seminars and self-help books to teach people how to lie and B.S. their way through the interview.

so when you get to the interview at McDonald's, park your bike at the Wendy's next door, pull up your pants, and tell the interviewer, "My car is the silver one out there. It doesn't look like much, but she runs real good. I do all the oil changes myself. I'm hoping to get a lot of extra hours so I can buy another car, but thi one is just fine for now."

Jared.

That is the purpose of that question on an application. It is also a sort of protection in the case that you need to fire someone for being unreliable (consistently or excessively tardy, call outs, no call/no show, etc). It has very little if anything to do with the type of transportation (typically).

Roody

So asking candidates, "Do you have a car?" has nothing to do with whether they have a car. Huh?

Jared.

That was not the question the OP stated. That is not the question I asked employees when I managed retail, and then multiple restaurant locations. That is not the question discussed in this topic originally.

Smallwheels

Excuse me for being a very astute observer of human behavior. There is a scale of emotions. The higher the person is on the scale the better they are in life. When an interviewer seems grumpy, condescending, disinterested, and overall not too bright, it is obvious to me. I have the ability to determine their chronic emotional tone. Sometimes people can have a bad day but that won't affect their conversations with someone who is not part of their immediate problem. They can be brought up and out of their problem. That is a good sign that the person isn't chronically low toned.

Just because I argue with someone doesn't mean I'm being angry while doing it. Maybe you haven't experienced that before. It is possible to discuss an illogical policy without being mean about it. I think pointing out that requiring someone to own a car that costs over $5000 per year to operate for a low paying job, is actually a very unreasonable demand, is a good thing. Perhaps it would educate that person and make them think twice about it.

That's a huge assumption that is totally stupid. I've never done that. I have gone to interviews and found out that the company seemed to be dishonest. When that happened I just left.

Job interviews are a two way street. The job seeker must also interview the interviewer to learn how the company operates and what is expected of the employees. If I'm being interviewed by the person who will be my boss I'm paying attention to him to decide if I want to be around them. Is he an intelligent thoughtful person who communicates well or is he a robot that spouts orders and rules through an inflated ego?

I don't work at jobs where the company is unethical. That would make me guilty of whatever bad things the company was doing. I won't support or give my help to things that are wrong or harmful to others. If everyone were capable of doing that we would live in a much better world. I recommend the book "Power vs. Force" by Dr. David R. Hawkins. It explains a lot about humanity and why most of the population of Earth is unethical.

I-Like-To-Bike

Third time, then I will quit asking.
What "ethical"job have you found that meets your personal integrity requirements?
A response that it no one's business but your own is alright. But you seem to repeatedly post that you can't find a suitable interviewer, let alone a suitable job.

Jared.

I had to look this up because it was never discussed in any psychology course I took in college. Then I realized that most links are from a self-empowerment site, and the charts/graphs/explanations are derived from a book that explains the teachings of Abraham.

So, someone made up a "scale of emotions". If you want to talk about emotional intelligence, then that is a whole different ballgame.

chewybrian 

Serenity now!

I-Like-To-Bike

Sounds like if a person can convert the info from a "self-empowerment site" into a self supporting, self employment job, that person wouldn't have to deal with arrogant interviewers, unethical co-workers, meanie bosses, or rascally inquiries about transportation.

Newspaperguy

If, during the course of an interview, I discover the potential boss is not someone I want to work under, or if I get a sense that the company would be a bad fit for me, I'll still be as polite as possible. I do not know when my path will cross with the employer's path again and I want to be ready for such an encounter. There are cases where a manager is transferred in from another branch or hired from another company. If I've been a jerk to that person during an earlier interview, it will not go well for me at that point. These shifts in management and ownership can and will happen.

350htrr

That's exactly what I do, there has been more than a few jobs I have turned down because of the answers to my questions that I got at the interview told me that it wasn't a company that I wanted to work for... I have had hundreds (400+) jobs working for dozens of companies (at least 2 probably 3 dozen+ different companies) throughout my working life...

I-Like-To-Bike

Any particular reason for changing jobs so often? Did your transportation assets have anything to do with it?

Smallwheels

Which type of person would you prefer being around all of the time?

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Roody

Yeah, but if you're self-employed and you don't like your boss, you've really got a problem.

I-Like-To-Bike

I'm sure I have seen some movies where that situation is played for laughs. Someone insults or slights someone else whom they never expect to see again, and guess who turns up as the new boss, or prospective in-law. Can't think of the specific movie titles.

I-Like-To-Bike

Time for a new self-empowerment site, or perhaps a new self improvement book at the library.

Roody

Yeah, but then you'd have to go through that whole interview process again, and decide if yourself is the best qualified.

I-Like-To-Bike

What are the choices, other than a space cadet and unethical cruel slavemaster?