Can a city really ban cars from its streets?
I wouldn't have thought so.
But after reading this BBC article on Hamburg... well.. hat's off! The German city of Hamburg has announced plans to become car-free within the next two decades. It is an ambitious idea, but city officials obviously feel that the personal motorcar does not fulfill a function that walking, biking and taking public transport cannot. The goal of Hamburg’s project is to replace roads with a “gruenes netz” or a green network of interconnected open areas covering 40% of the city. According to the official website, parks, playgrounds, sports fields, allotments and cemeteries will be connected to form a network, which will allow people to navigate through the city without the use of cars. |
It's impressive that the city has declared 'car-free' to be its goal, I can only imagine that would lead to riots and record-turnout recall elections if any city in the US tried that. But on the other hand, from the map and story I think the headline is a bit of an exaggeration:
"a green network of interconnected open areas covering 40% of the city" |
not in the USA…
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi
(Post 16507562)
not in the USA…
I've often wondered what would happen if a city left it up to the residents of each street whether they want to allow motor vehicles or not, with simple majority rules. Would there be any car-free streets? |
I've seen pictures from a German city where they enclosed a freeway and built a park on top of it. You can't even tell there is a freeway there. My city chooses to elevate the freeways and put parks underneath them. Not surprisingly, the only users of such parks are homeless people who are trying to stay out of the rain. They are currently spending a couple million dollars putting a skate park under a freeway. I wonder how many homeless people own skateboards.
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Isn't Germany about as big on cars as the US?
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 16507729)
I've seen pictures from a German city where they enclosed a freeway and built a park on top of it. You can't even tell there is a freeway there. My city chooses to elevate the freeways and put parks underneath them. Not surprisingly, the only users of such parks are homeless people who are trying to stay out of the rain. They are currently spending a couple million dollars putting a skate park under a freeway. I wonder how many homeless people own skateboards.
But then I thought that maybe the roadway was elevated to prevent pranksters from dropping stuff onto passing cars. Then I remembered that you are in the PNW and I recall that you tend to have less sunshine and more people suffer from S.A.D. (and I may be wrong on this) but doesn't the number of suicides climb during the worst of the S.A.D. 'season'? Perhaps they didn't elevate the "parks" in the hopes of less people jumping? Imagine what kind of chaos that would cause to the traffic below if someone fell from above. |
Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 16507714)
Maybe not politically at this time (well, certainly not), but the state of Oregon gives local jurisdictions the legal right to restrict any vehicle type it chooses from any road.
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 16507714)
Maybe not politically at this time (well, certainly not), but the state of Oregon gives local jurisdictions the legal right to restrict any vehicle type it chooses from any road.
I've often wondered what would happen if a city left it up to the residents of each street whether they want to allow motor vehicles or not, with simple majority rules. Would there be any car-free streets? My take is that many of the decisions that affect us closely come from jurisdictions close to home. |
I could see a US city (New York, Fort Collins, Davis, Portland, San Fran) announcing long term plans to move towards becoming car free, but that announcement would be at least 10 years away. By that time, the culture of 'driving' and cars will be changed so dramatically by self driving cars that the desire may be obsolete.
San Francisco is looking into seriously starting the first congestion based pricing plan in the next couple years. It will be interesting to see how that pans out. I think they'll go through with it, since they've already shown their willingness to try new things with SFPark. |
Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 16507714)
the state of Oregon gives local jurisdictions the legal right to restrict any vehicle type it chooses from any road.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackinac_Island,_Michigan
So there is a car-free (with exceptions for emergency and construction vehicles) municipality in the US. To the point that the only brown on the UPS vehicles on the island is the horses pulling them: http://www.flickr.com/photos/87519500@N00/457814112/ Of course, it's basically a resort town, not exactly a model for a modern city. And, they instituted their ban on cars in 1898, before cars were even really accessible to the populace, let alone the conditions for a car culture starting. But, it is a municipality in the US that has banned cars from its streets. |
Originally Posted by GodsBassist
(Post 16510769)
I could see a US city (New York, Fort Collins, Davis, Portland, San Fran) announcing long term plans to move towards becoming car free, but that announcement would be at least 10 years away. By that time, the culture of 'driving' and cars will be changed so dramatically by self driving cars that the desire may be obsolete.
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Originally Posted by enigmaT120
(Post 16509741)
I didn't know that. Does that give Polk County the right to ban bikes on county roads?
In the end, I doubt if any jurisdiction would give it a go since it would likely result in a moratorium of state funds for that county's transportation budget because our legislators like to pretend Oregon is pro-bike (and relative to most states, it is). |
Originally Posted by Roody
(Post 16507855)
Isn't Germany about as big on cars as the US?
I don't know what it would be to ride a bicycle because the streets are narrow forcing you to take the lane. I wonder how the average cyclist is treated on a business work day? I will tell you one thing. That city would be incredible if it ever became carfree. |
Didn't some city ban bikes in town in Colorado at one time? I remember reading some other cities had looked into it as well. I believe it took a few years to overturn the ban in Colorado.l
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Originally Posted by Mobile 155
(Post 16514141)
Didn't some city ban bikes in town in Colorado at one time? I remember reading some other cities had looked into it as well. I believe it took a few years to overturn the ban in Colorado.l
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Hamberg rebuilt their historic city as it was , after the WW2 bombing .. and rebuilt the trolleys and rail.
USA took its un-bombed citys down to make more room for cars and burned the trollies to privatize transportation .. for well connected private profits. GM, Standard Oil and Firestone , colluded. Europe Car free Shopping districts are not uncommon, they didn't tear down the old city built before cars existed, and the streets were too narrow .. when in Eugene Oregon they reopened a previously car free area , after the merchants complained .. thought their businesses were not getting enough traffic . from people who had to walk a couple blocks from the parking lot .. but they had a Shopping Mall to compete with , where there was a further walk from that parking lot. |
Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
(Post 16514009)
I wonder how the average cyclist is treated on a business work day?
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Originally Posted by gerv
(Post 16516712)
This commute video might give you an idea... lot of bike trails/
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi
(Post 16507562)
not in the USA…
Where the road is wide enough though, the city could put up a barrier or raised curb along one side, narrowing the driving width and make the road a 1-way road with a 2-way bike lane, a parking lane, car lane, and another parking lane or not. The City of Santa Cruz, on one road which I drive and bike, installed plastic bumper strips along one side of a 1-way road to separate off a bike lane going opposite to the 1-way traffic, with parking next to the strip, then the car lane, then another small bike lane going the traffic direction. I've never been confronted with a driver opening the driver's door on this road, I suspect because the parked cars face toward the oncoming bikes on that side, so they can see ahead. Stupid drivers (almost all of them) don't look in their side mirror before throwing their door open into the bike lane on ordinary roads, but looking straight ahead on this road the parked cars can see the bikes. (I've been "doored" twice on regular roads with a class 2 bike lane next to the parked car lane.) I think this is a good arrangement where the city wants to accommodate more bikes safely without building a separate class 1 bike path. If you want to check it out at maps.google.com, look for High Street, Santa Cruz, California, and go to the east end of the road. |
Originally Posted by overbyte
(Post 16586220)
Small neighborhood roads, which some call feeder streets, can have their speed limits reduced or be closed to traffic completely and made into walking malls or bike-only routes. However, the homeowners whose access is on those streets may object.
Please don't bring up touristy island locations or similar seasonal vacation spots and expect to be taken seriously. |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 16587758)
Ya think? Can you think of a single neighborhood location anywhere in the U.S. where the homeowners allowed the street in front of their own homes to be permanently closed to traffic completely and made into walking malls or bike-only routes?
Please don't bring up touristy island locations or similar seasonal vacation spots and expect to be taken seriously. Years ago, we were about to buy one of them, but the timing didn't quite work out for us. Needless to say, the lack of car access would not have been a problem for us. Even though that is the only almost-example that I have ever seen, I suspect there will be many more popping up over the next decade as more of the Millennials come of age. I could be wrong (again), but I'm hopeful. |
Can you think of a single neighborhood location anywhere in the U.S. where the homeowners allowed the street in front of their own homes to be permanently closed to traffic completely and made into walking malls or bike-only routes? |
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
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There are three homes in the Village Homes development (its claim to fame is that the Queen of England came to town just to visit this development a few decades back) in Davis, CA that don't have car access to the door. The nearest street that allows cars is 100-200 feet away (whoop dee doo).
Also see http://bmcdb.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/davis_bicycles/ and watch the video there about how the Dutch transformed their country into a bicycling haven. The key was public outrage, high gasoline prices, and child deaths in bike-car accidents. They banned cars from some streets in major cities to transform them into safe bicycling lanes. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=369494 |
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