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Car-free plan B?

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Plan A is riding my bikes. Plan B is taking public transit and walking..If I need to make a long distance trip out of town then I rent a car. If there my was a change in my employment which required the use of a car then I would purchase a car. For now I am happy and comfortable to be car-free.
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
I never understand these posts. And... I am sure at some time in a distance future... some digital anthropologist will ponder these types of posts also. Why on Earth are so many people still traveling to work in the digital age? In America today... huge numbers of workers... work at home.
Why ??.. Because a lot of people work in skilled trades, construction, manufacturing and other types of jobs which require leaving their home everyday..
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
I never understand these posts. And... I am sure at some time in a distance future... some digital anthropologist will ponder these types of posts also. Why on Earth are so many people still traveling to work in the digital age? In America today... huge numbers of workers... work at home.

If someone chooses to actually forego motorized transportation why work at an occupation that requires regular appearances?
The sick people at the hospital would not appreciate me if I phoned it in. If you ever get sick, you'll be happy that some of us still manage to drag our butts out of the house.

And why would I limit myself to jobs that can be done from home? I have no problem getting around the community without a car. I don't even know anybody who works at home and I doubt if huge numbers of people do it, unless you're including Internet trolls.
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Originally Posted by timmythology View Post
Plan b,c,d is use a different bike
Plan e take a bus
Plan f drive
"F" is a good name for it!
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I have a free shuttle that goes from across the street straight to work and back all morning and all afternoon. It was one of the main reasons I chose this location to live.
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
I never understand these posts. And... I am sure at some time in a distance future... some digital anthropologist will ponder these types of posts also. Why on Earth are so many people still traveling to work in the digital age? In America today... huge numbers of workers... work at home.
I ask myself that too ...

I also ask myself why my department is considering a move into a new building ... when most, if not all, of us could work from anywhere in the world with a computer connection.

To me, it would make much more sense to set us all up with laptops (they're replacing our current computers anyway), and send us off to wherever we wanted to work. Then, the department could rent a much smaller area with a few meeting rooms and a handful of offices for those times when we might need to meet with each other.

But the old ideas of turning up at the office every day are still quite prevalent.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Why ??.. Because a lot of people work in skilled trades, construction, manufacturing and other types of jobs which require leaving their home everyday..
I don't have enough room in my shop for all these bikes or the kids who came to get specially fitted for them today... and this was just a fraction of the bikes we had.



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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
I ask myself that too ...

I also ask myself why my department is considering a move into a new building ... when most, if not all, of us could work from anywhere in the world with a computer connection.

To me, it would make much more sense to set us all up with laptops (they're replacing our current computers anyway), and send us off to wherever we wanted to work. Then, the department could rent a much smaller area with a few meeting rooms and a handful of offices for those times when we might need to meet with each other.

But the old ideas of turning up at the office every day are still quite prevalent.
I have had this conversation with my office several times... many of us do telecommute, I am usually working from either home, a motel or restaurant somewhere. However, according to our company psychologist there are multiple advantages to having people actually all work together in the same area, something about team building and a sense of belonging. I guess it may depend on the people and the project involved. Personally the more people I meet the better I like my dog.

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Plan A is walk/bus. Plan B is use one of our bikes. Plan C is the car share or rental car. Plan D is take a taxi. Plan E is acquire a canoe. Plan F is have a cup of tea and cookie because it is the zombie apocalypse and I am waiting for the birds to eat the zombies.
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Ok, I guess that other than mr cutter I may be the only person here who actually does work at home. No reporting to any boss other than myself. That sort of makes my thinking his basic premise that it's ridiculous for anyone to have to go to a physical job is moronic pretty funny.
Despite his assertions I do not have issue with telecommuters. If that is something that you can do and your job allows it then that's fantastic. I do question the premise that everyone can work from home. If all work was virtual then what, exactly would be being done in the physical world? My work is unessential to society in that other than making things that make people feel good, the things I make are not artesianal heart stints. No one will die or suffer if I don't go to work(other than me and Sally Mae, who wants me to send in money for the rest of my life). But there are many jobs that people have to get to without which we would be living in a sort of Somalia.

Even though I don't punch a clock or have a commitment to get anywhere in the morning(other than to the post at least every other day with packages that must be sent) the topic is very pertinent to car free living. How am I going to get to my aging relatives in the middle of the night? Answer for me is I don't even think about it. I get in my van and I go. There is usually a bike in the back and I have used it to go get lunch while parked at the hospital before.
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Old 03-08-14, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Why ??.. Because a lot of people work in skilled trades, construction, manufacturing and other types of jobs which require leaving their home everyday..
Originally Posted by Roody View Post
The sick people at the hospital would not appreciate me if I phoned it in.......... And why would I limit myself to jobs that can be done from home?
Oh come on guys! Are you taking the time to read my posts? Or are you just really that frightened of thinking and using your own creativity and imagination. You're grown-ups... I would assume. Inspire yourselves to be whatever it is you want to be. These: I am not good enough, or I can't be what I want to be, and the I "have" to do this (or that). These are confines you've created in your own minds. They have absolutely NO influence in the outside world.

I absolutely can NOT relate to such self-defeatist attitudes.

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I have read your posts. And if you read this last one in Chris Farleys "in a van down by the river" skit voice, it's quite funny.
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There is a lot of value in working together. Communication is faster, surer and sometimes almost telepathic. I can remember one time when I heard a programmer exclaim "Oh, My!" and that was very important. Everyone in the room knew that we all had a big problem to solve, because we knew what he was working on and that he had hit a brick wall and which wall it was.

Truth is, people are very gregarious and a lot of communication and nurturing does not occur except at close proximity. We do it with glances, touchs, volume, silliness and more. Social media will not replace being together.

I'm unemployed right now, so I spend a lot of time working on my own. That doesn't mean I'm sitting and watching Jerry Springer, waiting for the phone to ring. I have deadlines and am working on projects with people from several continents. It's nice to set my own schedule, and nice to eliminate the rituals of getting dressed up for the office and work in my pajamas. But it's also a bit lonely, and some times harder to motivate myself to get necessary work done, and harder to know what associates are really thinking.

One thing I would really like to eliminate though is the concept of 9-5. That was necessary for factories. But, I worked for one nice company where the rule was come in when you want, but you need to do 40 hours in the week. Sometimes I'd open up the place at 11 am, sometimes it would be busy at 5 am, sometimes I'd do an all nighter, all depending on what needed to be done. But it also gave us the flexibility to have lives. That's what I'd like to see.
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
Oh come on guys! Are you taking the time to read my posts? Or are you just really that frightened of thinking and using your own creativity and imagination. You're grown-ups... I would assume. Inspire yourselves to be whatever it is you want to be. These: I am not good enough, or I can't be what I want to be, and the I "have" to do this (or that). These are confines you've created in your own minds. They have absolutely NO influence in the outside world.

I absolutely can NOT relate to such self-defeatist attitudes.
My, what a rude post!

I've taken the time to read your comments, but I can't say they make even an iota of sense. How are Wolfchild and Roody "self-defeatist" and "frightened of thinking and using [their] creativity and imagination" simply because they pointed out to you that some people need to leave their homes to get their jobs done?
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My, what a rude post!
Oh come on.... rude would be including those little funny iconic faces. Words won't hurt you......

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I've taken the time to read your comments, but I can't say they make even an iota of sense.
Of course they don't.... to YOU! That's a big part of my point. Paradigms will prevent people (apparently yourself) from seeing what can even be in front of their eyes. Freeing yourself from the confines of your own paradigms.... could be exceedingly liberating.

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How are Wolfchild and Roody "self-defeatist" and "frightened of thinking and using [their] creativity and imagination" simply because they pointed out to you that some people need to leave their homes to get their jobs done?
Maybe they aren't. I don't really know them. I know me... I know a lot of other people. I know fear is a very basic human emotion that is prevalent in all normal humans. I am willing to assume these fellow forum members to be normal members of society. Do you think they aren't? I never understand why people bulk at creative change. Do you?

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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
Oh come on guys! Are you taking the time to read my posts? Or are you just really that frightened of thinking and using your own creativity and imagination. You're grown-ups... I would assume. Inspire yourselves to be whatever it is you want to be. These: I am not good enough, or I can't be what I want to be, and the I "have" to do this (or that). These are confines you've created in your own minds. They have absolutely NO influence in the outside world.

I absolutely can NOT relate to such self-defeatist attitudes.


People who regularly play in traffic and go against the grain of an automobilistic society, frightened of thinking?
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People who regularly play in traffic and go against the grain of an automobilistic society, frightened of thinking?
So... you actually believe cycling is the same as thinking? That's interesting.

Not everyone (here at least) understands the concepts I mentioned in my posts. I am very sorry if the idea of freely thinking of creative solutions for your own problem... offended anyone.

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So... you actually believe cycling is the same as thinking? That's interesting.
I believe that people who regularly play in traffic on a bike don't lead lives where fear is prevalent. And I know that anyone who has chosen car-free living has had to do a bit of thinking in establishing and continuing this alternative life style.
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I believe that people who regularly play in traffic on a bike don't lead lives where fear is prevalent. And I know that anyone who has chosen car-free living has had to do a bit of thinking in establishing and continuing this alternative life style.
Well I certainly agree with part of that! I've known at least one fearless cyclist.... that was also deathly afraid of spiders. So... maybe fear is always with humans at some level (actually... fact is... it is).

Yes... I realize... we all make our sacrifices don't we. But in this age... we have many choices. Maybe... some people just chose to complain. I merely pointed out what most people already know. We need to inspire ourselves as well as each other. Or... as I read somewhere once:

We're here to support each other. Share ideas, and motivate one another to actually keep doing it.
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We're here to support each other. Share ideas, and motivate one another to actually keep doing it.
Yep, Bjforrestal is the man.

I learned that any time I include the word "YOU" in a post that I am careening off topic and veering into the personal. I keep Mr. Forrestal's comments in my sig to remind myself that it's always possible to keep on topic, supportive of others and not indulging in snarky remarks.
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One person might be happy to work at home. Another person might just make everybody else happy that he works at home.
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There was a thread a while back on the Commuting forum asking how people get to work if they don't bike. The most common answer was driving.

So, car-free (and light) folks: let's expand the topic a bit! What's your plan B (or C or D) if you can't bike? What circumstances might make it impossible or undesirable to bike places? Does your location lend itself well to a lot of backup plans, or does it limit your options?

My own situation is nearly ideal: I live in a very small urban area, not very far from work, a decent grocery store, and two hospitals, and a short (5 mile) trip from the larger stores with cheaper supplies. My plan B is just walking, and I hung up the bike on a few of the high wind/low visibility snowfall days this winter. The worst injury I had (I got hit by a van 5 1/2 years ago) kept me off the bike for several weeks, but I was still able to walk. If I couldn't walk, I'm not sure what I would do: I'd probably have to get my partner to wheel me around on foot.
For me, it's:

Plan B: walking, if it's less than 3 miles
Plan C: bus
Plan D: Car2Go, if a stupid Smart Car is actually close enough to make it worth the $.40/minute (see plan B)
Plan E: Taxi/Uber, etc., if I'm desperate enough

I almost always walk or ride the bike.
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One person might be happy to work at home.
Not only is that correct (forget the snarky part).... but there are millions of people who really are happy within their own perspective (many here) of how life should be (lots of people enjoy driving cars). There isn't a need or even a majority desire to resolve the car issue. This is a one user - one solution issue. A thousand people could solve this problem a thousand different ways.

I worked at jobs I enjoyed... and worked at jobs I hated but needed the income. But never... have I thought that I lived my life outside of having choices. Sometimes... people do struggle under the tyranny of their own thoughts. And that's a darn shame. We should all encourage those people to break free.
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
Sometimes... people do struggle under the tyranny of their own thoughts. And that's a darn shame. We should all encourage those people to break free.
Yes I agree. Life seems to involve a lot of truth re-definition. You have a well established tenet and one day you wake up and discover it ain't so any more...
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