Why more people don't take the bus
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It's a bad situation, and frankly, I can do without the emotional issues associated with confrontation like that.
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People who own cars usually save money by taking advantage of using the car they are paying for anyway instead of taking a bus or other public transit. If car-insurance was charged according to odometer-reading, the way utilities charge according to meter-readings, taking the bus would lower drivers' car-insurance bill for the month, which would incentivize the choice.
Currently car-insurance typically offers some discount based on how many miles are driven but the savings are built into the overall contract rate so the direct savings per-mile not driven isn't clearly evident. If people knew they would automatically save $3/day on car insurance by buying a $3 all-day bus pass, they might opt for the bus more often simply to get a break from driving and have a little variety in how they commute and travel.
Currently car-insurance typically offers some discount based on how many miles are driven but the savings are built into the overall contract rate so the direct savings per-mile not driven isn't clearly evident. If people knew they would automatically save $3/day on car insurance by buying a $3 all-day bus pass, they might opt for the bus more often simply to get a break from driving and have a little variety in how they commute and travel.
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In New Jersey, you don't pay lower rates by taking advantage of public transit. However, if you tell them you're driving to work, your monthly primiums go waaaaay up. You have to be honest because if you do get into an accident during rush hour, they may deny paying some or all the bill!
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I'm wondering, if fares go up and ridership goes down, where are those lost riders going? They still need to get to work. Do higher transit fares raise car trips as much as they lower pubic ridership, or are these people finding rides with existing drivers, car-pooling, bicycles, etc.? And do the lost riders eventually come back to public transit anyway?
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In New Jersey, you don't pay lower rates by taking advantage of public transit. However, if you tell them you're driving to work, your monthly primiums go waaaaay up. You have to be honest because if you do get into an accident during rush hour, they may deny paying some or all the bill!
In Manitoba there are two insurance packages you can get ... commuter or leisure (they probably call them something else, but that's the idea). If you commute with your car, you pay a large amount for vehicle insurance. If you just use your car on weekends and maybe occasionally during the week, you pay a significantly lower amount.
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I don't drive to work and our car was registered as a "pleasure" vehicle, but my daughter (who can usually walk to work), sometimes has to start at 6 am and on those days she drives. I told the insurer and the extra premium was $175/year.
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That's pretty steep. How many trips would be a "break even" compared to a taxi?
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EDIT: in this case, since we already own the car, I'm not sure there's a good reason to use a cab instead of the car. Both involve driving a vehicle.
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The most important reason why people don't take bus is they are over crowded. Many a times the bus carry more people than they are allowed to. 75% of bus users are daily travelers.
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It varies from place to place. In some downtown areas the buses are more frequent but might be too crowded for many people. However the fact that they are crowded means they are meeting a demand. In a suburban area they are often much less frequent, and run half-empty because people don't want to wait, or there isn't a bus near their house, or the trip is too long and roundabout and disjointed to work for them.
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I've always wondered about this. I do see daily travelers on the bus... but there are also a number of people who only use it in bad weather (like me...).
Just noticing my route... there are probably more than half the users with monthly card passes.
Just noticing my route... there are probably more than half the users with monthly card passes.
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This is why it's idea to live near the begining or end of the line. This way you can always have a seat! This is what I do and have no regrets. However, if you do live near the end of the line, it means you'll have a longer commute returning home.
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Same/similar to in Manitoba.
In Manitoba there are two insurance packages you can get ... commuter or leisure (they probably call them something else, but that's the idea). If you commute with your car, you pay a large amount for vehicle insurance. If you just use your car on weekends and maybe occasionally during the week, you pay a significantly lower amount.
In Manitoba there are two insurance packages you can get ... commuter or leisure (they probably call them something else, but that's the idea). If you commute with your car, you pay a large amount for vehicle insurance. If you just use your car on weekends and maybe occasionally during the week, you pay a significantly lower amount.
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I haven't driven myself in and out of town at rush hour but have ridden taxis a few times. The main advantage of being in a private vehicle is you get to decide for yourself what temperature you want, what you listen to, and you don't find yourself pressed into someone's armpit or distastefully close to someone who hasn't washed in a week.
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Not if those passengers lack options. London public transport prices rise relentlessly for a service that doesn't get any better despite the endless investment we are assured is going into it. The rush hour trains are still so full it's far from rare to see people waiting for the next one because they physically can't get onto this one.
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I haven't driven myself in and out of town at rush hour but have ridden taxis a few times. The main advantage of being in a private vehicle is you get to decide for yourself what temperature you want, what you listen to, and you don't find yourself pressed into someone's armpit or distastefully close to someone who hasn't washed in a week.
London public transport prices rise relentlessly for a service that doesn't get any better despite the endless investment we are assured is going into it. The rush hour trains are still so full it's far from rare to see people waiting for the next one because they physically can't get onto this one.
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I commuted via foot, bus, and the BART system for over a year during the mid '90s while living in the CA Bay Area. And while BART was very reliable back then, the bus system was not. The buses were almost always late for some reason. And it was fairly common for nearly empty buses to "miss" the stop altogether (even though people were obviously waiting). This inexcusable reliability more than doubled the average commute time over that of driving. What took 20 - 30 minutes to drive (one way) often required more that an hour and 15 minutes of my time while using the bus and BART systems.
At the time I was an CA auto emissions technician that initially believed there was "a better way" to commute than driving a vehicle. However, I just could not afford to lose an hour and a half per day while riding the bus and BART to work. This, and the fact that I was actually spending more money while using public transit, forced me to revert to commuting by car.
At the time I was an CA auto emissions technician that initially believed there was "a better way" to commute than driving a vehicle. However, I just could not afford to lose an hour and a half per day while riding the bus and BART to work. This, and the fact that I was actually spending more money while using public transit, forced me to revert to commuting by car.
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Hey, I have a solution! Stop investing in public transport, close down the Tube, prohibit buses and bicycles from the city center and go over to an American-style car-centric system. That'll solve your problems! No more waiting. No more smelly passengers to put up with. (After all, who can be bothered to move away from an odoriferous rider?) Paradise! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
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This may be an idea for a new thread, and I bet it'd bomb b/c primary research doesn't seem too popular here, but what if a small sample of LCF contributors recorded their commute by bike, and compared that time to what they could achieve using a bus? That might answer this thread's original question objectively, if only on the micro-level.
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Thats actually cheap compared to standard rates. It might shock some people to find out what people in Toronto pay for car insurance.
For myself, I live in a suburb of Toronto, Brampton, which has the highest insurance costs in the country. I pay almost as much in insurance as I pay for my car payments(brand new mazda3). Part of that is Brampton, part of that is the 40km each way commute.
Where I am now, difficult and expensive to not drive to work. I would have to take an inter city bus and then subway, or take the inter city train then subway. The former would add 30 minutes to the commute (each way), the latter 60 minutes. I do not want to spend 4 hours travelling a day.
Before I got my current job, I had a contract position downtown, and it was heaven. Five minute drive or 20 minute cycle to a train station, 35 minutes on the train (much less stressful than driving) and a 10 minute walk from the train station. I wish I could be in that position again.
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Another bus data point or two:
Back in the late-90s, I flew out for work to a trade show in Los Angeles. I took a week of vacation time right after to ride back to Maine by bus, Greyhound's Ameripass ticket, which lets you get on any bus going anywhere for a set amount of time. I got the 10 day ticket to cover both weekends. I'd not call it the most pleasant vacation I ever had, but it was entertaining, I very much enjoyed the ride, and it allowed for visits to friends in far-flung places.
My soon-to-be-ex- was headed down to Mexico this past winter and ran into all kinds of issues trying to fly out of the Northeast. The third time her flight was cancelled, she opted for the bus and had a great experience. Says she will definitely be traveling by bus in the future for longer trips, instead of flying. Once she got across the border, the slightly dumpy Greyhound buses were swapped for swanky luxo-buses Mexican bus companies use.
Just as with cycling, trains and especially subways, many other countries put USA systems to shame.
Back in the late-90s, I flew out for work to a trade show in Los Angeles. I took a week of vacation time right after to ride back to Maine by bus, Greyhound's Ameripass ticket, which lets you get on any bus going anywhere for a set amount of time. I got the 10 day ticket to cover both weekends. I'd not call it the most pleasant vacation I ever had, but it was entertaining, I very much enjoyed the ride, and it allowed for visits to friends in far-flung places.
My soon-to-be-ex- was headed down to Mexico this past winter and ran into all kinds of issues trying to fly out of the Northeast. The third time her flight was cancelled, she opted for the bus and had a great experience. Says she will definitely be traveling by bus in the future for longer trips, instead of flying. Once she got across the border, the slightly dumpy Greyhound buses were swapped for swanky luxo-buses Mexican bus companies use.
Just as with cycling, trains and especially subways, many other countries put USA systems to shame.
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This may be an idea for a new thread, and I bet it'd bomb b/c primary research doesn't seem too popular here, but what if a small sample of LCF contributors recorded their commute by bike, and compared that time to what they could achieve using a bus? That might answer this thread's original question objectively, if only on the micro-level.
For that reason, I never carry a time device and all time reports are approximate.
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I haven't driven myself in and out of town at rush hour but have ridden taxis a few times. The main advantage of being in a private vehicle is you get to decide for yourself what temperature you want, what you listen to, and you don't find yourself pressed into someone's armpit or distastefully close to someone who hasn't washed in a week.
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