Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 17062871)
Even more eye opening than your previous post with the transit plundering allegation. Who or what government organization do you plan to sue? Are the two charts supposed to be evidence of this plundering for your proposed lawsuit?
- Andy |
Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 17062342)
I knew it ... you've never been to those countries. Let's just say that the reality is quite different from your imagination.
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Originally Posted by Smallwheels
(Post 17062985)
Please explain what you mean. Google Maps shows that the large Australian and Canadian cities are just as spread out as the ones in the USA. There are large distances between major cities. Both countries have plenty of sprawl.
Mainland US and Australia are about the same land area ... and Canada is slightly larger. US Population: 318,605,000 Canada Population: 35,427,524 Australia Population: 23,572,700 List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Canada's population is 12% of USA's population. Australia's population 7% of USA's population. Kind of hard for Canada and Australia to have the same sprawl as the US ... neither are even close USA's population. Also ... The US has 34 cities over 500,000 ...... and only 13% of the entire population of US live in those 34 cities. Canada has 9 cities over 500,000 ...... and 44% of the entire population of Canada live in those 9 cities. Australia has 6 cities over 500,000 ...... and 64% of the entire population of Australia live in those 6 cities. List of United States cities by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia List of the 100 largest population centres in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia List of cities in Australia by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There's just no comparison. And contrary to what some might believe ... Canada is not one great year-round wintery glacier. |
Originally Posted by TransitBiker
(Post 17062701)
Plundered, to the point of liability. I actually plan to file a suit myself when i get a case organized, lawyer, etc. Obviously many, many, numerous countless complaints and vocal protests are not enough and legal action is required. Clearly stated in every post under my username is my location (newtown, pa) which is clearly within the regional operating locale of SEPTA (transit). Hope that helps you understand vs assume.
- Andy |
That top chart seems inverted. After two weeks in Shanghai, I couldn't wait to get back to Los Angeles where I could breathe!
While the USA has plenty of cars, we do have catalytic converters in them which reduce the emissions immensely. Many of these other countries have little or no emissions reduction equipment. That being said, the automobile is vastly overused. I once had an employer that would drive ACROSS THE STREET (U-turn and all) to get to the donut shop for a coffee. |
Originally Posted by Moab91
(Post 17063055)
That top chart seems inverted.
Those CO2 emissions are kg/person/year ... so you have to multiply the population of each of those countries by the alleged CO2 emissions. Then you'll get a more realistic chart. Assuming, of course, that the CO2 emissions in that chart are accurate. The US still tops the charts, but all of a sudden China moves well up the list. And Canada and Australia drop to near the bottom. |
Originally Posted by chasm54
(Post 17062134)
Ah, well, if what Australian voters are tired of becomes the touchstone for debate on the environment, or on other contentious issues, we're all in some trouble.
If people really cared about it all, they would become more active directly. There was a great article the other day on news.com.au, suggesting the age of IT has made people into "slacktivists" -- people who think they are making a great contribution to global change by clicking a FB "like" or following some celebrity on Twitter. Take this thread as an example. Instead of saving or crowd sourcing or influencing private investors and getting the funds to set up a transport system that works the way he wants it, the OP is going to take legal action for "plundering". Yeah, I'd like to see that. |
What I find interesting is the contrast between European cities and the US cities. The US amount is three times that of European cities they have a quality of life equal to, or better than, many Americans.
27 or 28 percent of US total carbon emmisions are from transportation sources of which 59 percent are from light vehicles. I found these figures from the Center for Cimate and Energy Solutions, Transportation Overview | Center for Climate and Energy Solutions . |
Originally Posted by RPK79
(Post 17060758)
Apathy.
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Originally Posted by Rowan
(Post 17063081)
The fact is the electorate is turning against the environmental political movement because it has an inability to see that its tactics aren't working. It doesn't matter if it's Australia, or Europe or America or Asia.
If people really cared about it all, they would become more active directly. There was a great article the other day on news.com.au, suggesting the age of IT has made people into "slacktivists" -- people who think they are making a great contribution to global change by clicking a FB "like" or following some celebrity on Twitter. Take this thread as an example. Instead of saving or crowd sourcing or influencing private investors and getting the funds to set up a transport system that works the way he wants it, the OP is going to take legal action for "plundering". Yeah, I'd like to see that. - Andy |
Originally Posted by TransitBiker
(Post 17063333)
feel free to stick to topic. :)
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Originally Posted by ironwood
(Post 17063256)
What I find interesting is the contrast between European cities and the US cities. The US amount is three times that of European cities they have a quality of life equal to, or better than, many Americans.
27 or 28 percent of US total carbon emmisions are from transportation sources of which 59 percent are from light vehicles. I found these figures from the Center for Cimate and Energy Solutions, Transportation Overview | Center for Climate and Energy Solutions . - Andy |
I should also point out, that the graphic depicting a recent decreasing trend, is largely due to the global economic recession resulting from the sub-prime lending crisis, of which we are still struggling to substantially recover from. Jobs numbers state to state in the US have shown some bounce-back, but it will take significant changes in hiring & retention policy by medium & large businesses to truly recover. One thing that has been probably irreversibly affected (at least for now) is people who did not need to work ie sole breadwinner makes enough & secondary person is no longer participating in employment, older folks opting for early retirement, full timers switching to part time, things of that nature.
- Andy |
Originally Posted by TransitBiker
(Post 17058721)
Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 17063049)
I've already talked about this in other threads, but for a start ...
Mainland US and Australia are about the same land area ... and Canada is slightly larger. US Population: 318,605,000 Canada Population: 35,427,524 Australia Population: 23,572,700 List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Canada's population is 12% of USA's population. Australia's population 7% of USA's population. Kind of hard for Canada and Australia to have the same sprawl as the US ... neither are even close USA's population. Also ... The US has 34 cities over 500,000 ...... and only 13% of the entire population of US live in those 34 cities. Canada has 9 cities over 500,000 ...... and 44% of the entire population of Canada live in those 9 cities. Australia has 6 cities over 500,000 ...... and 64% of the entire population of Australia live in those 6 cities. List of United States cities by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia List of the 100 largest population centres in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia List of cities in Australia by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There's just no comparison. And contrary to what some might believe ... Canada is not one great year-round wintery glacier. Look at maps of the cities in Canada and Australia. Look at city maps with streets. Choose street view if you like. See that the cities of Canada and Australia are just as spread out as the ones in the USA. They might have fewer of them but their designs are the same. Plenty of suburbs spread out away from the center of the cities. That is sprawl. That is not good for people living car free. How would these graphs look if 75% of the populations of the USA used public transportation? The extra trains and buses would be using more fuel too. How much would that bar shrink in the kg/person/year measurement? Montana is not one great year-round wintery glacier, though we have a few. |
Originally Posted by Smallwheels
(Post 17064411)
Look at maps of the cities in Canada and Australia. Look at city maps with streets. Choose street view if you like. See that the cities of Canada and Australia are just as spread out as the ones in the USA. They might have fewer of them but their designs are the same. Plenty of suburbs spread out away from the center of the cities. That is sprawl. That is not good for people living car free.
Montana is not one great year-round wintery glacier, though we have a few. Turn the terrain setting on and you'll see why the Australian cities (and some of the Canadian cities) have developed in the shape they appear on a map. Visit places like Winnipeg in July and you might be surprised at the temperature. |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 17060750)
Also, is passenger transport the ONLY source of COČ emissions? Is passenger transport even the most significant source of COČ emissions in any country?
I think that in order to make any headway on the problem of carbon emissions, we're going to have to work in all countries and in all sectors that emit carbon--electricity, agriculture, and industry as well as transportation. Of course this carfree forum is probably more interested in the transportation sector. For myself and others, reducing my carbon footprint is my main reason for being carfree. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with you. |
Originally Posted by ironwood
(Post 17063256)
What I find interesting is the contrast between European cities and the US cities. The US amount is three times that of European cities they have a quality of life equal to, or better than, many Americans.
27 or 28 percent of US total carbon emmisions are from transportation sources of which 59 percent are from light vehicles. I found these figures from the Center for Cimate and Energy Solutions, Transportation Overview | Center for Climate and Energy Solutions . |
Originally Posted by Roody
(Post 17065308)
For myself and others, reducing my carbon footprint is my main reason for being carfree. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with you.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 17060750)
Also, is passenger transport the ONLY source of COČ emissions? Is passenger transport even the most significant source of COČ emissions in any country?
I think that the posted charts are deceptive with respect to greenhouse gas emissions of the USA vs other countries. |
The US emits a great deal more CO2 than any other country on a per person basis, and much of it is because of our overuse of automobiles. Until we own up to this, nothing will be done about the problem, and our children and grandchildren are doomed to nasty lives. It's really as simple as that. We need to accept responsibility for our own actions, rather than trying to blame our own stupidity on the rest of the world.
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Originally Posted by Robert C
(Post 17060004)
because of th ecultural assocation of bicycles with poverty, bicycles do not ever have any right of way. Confucian ethics, as practiced, say than an unimportant person must always give way, in all ways, to important people. Further, ones importance is determined by personal, or family, wealth. As such, bicyclists, engaged in an activity of the poor, are in error if they fail to give way.
This makes the cities very unfriendly to cycling and create a large social incentive to not allow ones family members to ride a bicycle for transportation; both for reasons of safety and the social signaling effect it has on the family. Further, one has to suspect all official numbers coming out of China. The people do not respect official reports, and for good reason. Remember, the purpose of social research in China is to make ones leader look good, not to reflect actual conditions. Going back to Confucian ethics, truth is significantly less important than appearances. I looked up some Confucius quotes that resonate with the ethic of bicycling: Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. It does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop. Humility is the solid foundation of all virtues. In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of. Without feelings of respect, what is there to distinguish men from beasts? Read more at Confucius Quotes - BrainyQuote |
Originally Posted by Roody
(Post 17067565)
The US emits a great deal more CO2 than any other country on a per person basis, and much of it is because of our overuse of automobiles. Until we own up to this, nothing will be done about the problem, and our children and grandchildren are doomed to nasty lives. It's really as simple as that. We need to accept responsibility for our own actions, rather than trying to blame our own stupidity on the rest of the world.
List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 17069028)
While I wholeheartedly agree with the rest of your statement, we're not number one, not even among "western" nations, for per capita emissions. (Rowan and Machka are living in one of the countries that "beats" us.)
List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 17069432)
But keep in mind that our population over here is 7% that of the US. :)
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Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 17063049)
And contrary to what some might believe ... Canada is not one great year-round wintery glacier.
Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 17064743)
Visit places like Winnipeg in July and you might be surprised at the temperature.
I was told when I first moved to Wisconsin that contrary to what I might have been told there are 4 distinct seasons. June, July, August, Winter. :) |
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