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History of Jaywalking...
Interesting article on Vox.. thought I'd share
The forgotten history of how automakers invented the crime of "jaywalking" - Vox Great street scene before the age of cars. https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho...82104296.0.jpg It's amazing how peds have been villan-ized since that time... how streets now has so much less life... how cyclists too are labeled "scofflaws" (although most cars go over the speed limit.) |
Good article.
I read this story in Fighting Traffic years ago. We're all paying dearly as someone pointed out in a chart, since 1899, over 2 million were killed in motor transport. I think we're now going in the opposite direction but it will take another 100 years before we start to see pedestrian streets the norm. Unfortunately, we won't be around to see this. |
Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
(Post 17473958)
Good article.
I read this story in Fighting Traffic years ago. We're all paying dearly as someone pointed out in a chart, since 1899, over 2 million were killed in motor transport. I think we're now going in the opposite direction but it will take another 100 years before we start to see pedestrian streets the norm. Unfortunately, we won't be around to see this. |
Pedestrian streets are the norm in Detroit now. People stroll across roads through traffic.
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The Baseball team in LA was named the 'trolley Dodgers' when they were still in Old New York . before Bought and Moved West.
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The invention of jaywalking
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They not only made walking n public roadways a crime, they made it seem like it was perfectly sane and reasonable to make it a crime. The average person would never question the twisted logic that puts 150 pound people moving at 3 mph in control of confrontations with 3000 pound machines that can go more than 100 mph. This insane myth of car superiority is so embeddded in our cultural mythos that it is beyond questioning.
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Yup.
It almost seems natural now. |
As far as I can tell, Jaywalking is not illegal here, but one must cross a street in a safe manner.
And that is the goal of all the cross walks. Make safe street crossing for pedestrians. By the 1920's vehicle speeds were increasing, and no doubt there were more vehicle/pedestrian incidents. And thus the birth of crosswalks and jaywalking regulations. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 17697035)
As far as I can tell, Jaywalking is not illegal here, but one must cross a street in a safe manner.
And that is the goal of all the cross walks. Make safe street crossing for pedestrians. By the 1920's vehicle speeds were increasing, and no doubt there were more vehicle/pedestrian incidents. And thus the birth of crosswalks and jaywalking regulations. Evidence is that these jay-walk laws were promoted and lobbied by motoring organizations like AAA, not by pedestrian and bicycling organizations. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 17697035)
As far as I can tell, Jaywalking is not illegal here, but one must cross a street in a safe manner.
And that is the goal of all the cross walks. Make safe street crossing for pedestrians. By the 1920's vehicle speeds were increasing, and no doubt there were more vehicle/pedestrian incidents. And thus the birth of crosswalks and jaywalking regulations. The legacy is that virtually no one alive would even remember a time when roads were different. People think that roads are the way they are because that's the natural state of things, rather than the inertial product of cultural and economic forces in play 90 years ago. It means that we don't have to think of streets the way we have for almost a century, but that most people take the current definition as so axiomatic that it is beyond questioning. There are other viable models, but the real work is promoting the very idea that an alternative, any alternative, could exist. It's like the old "do fish know they're wet?" question. |
Originally Posted by Roody
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Wrong. The goal was to make travel faster and more convenient for motorists. Make the pedestrians and cyclists stay away from the cars so that motorists don't have to slow down and go around them. And especially, remove the legal liability for collisions from the motorists and pin legal blame on peds and cyclists.
Evidence is that these jay-walk laws were promoted and lobbied by motoring organizations like AAA, not by pedestrian and bicycling organizations. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 17697035)
As far as I can tell, Jaywalking is not illegal here, but one must cross a street in a safe manner.
Unless it's changed since I last read it, it is illegal to cross the street mid-block in Oregon if both of the nearest intersections are signalized. (I'm not sure what is made of alleys.). While legal to cross mid-block if one of the adjacent intersections isn't signalized, one has no right of way. In most states, not having the right of way isn't that big of a deal since motorists are generally required to take action to avoid a collision. However, Oregon removed that little feature from the vehicle code some years ago. Currently, a motorist with the right of way is permitted to mow down a jay walking pedestrian and needn't even claim to have not seen him/her. In California, I am aware of a judge who determined that it is always legal to cross mid-block as long as one does not interfere with any traffic. I don't know if he was relying on statute, case law or making new case law. However, it was entertaining to chat with the cop who had issued the citation; the judge ripped him a new one in court for having issued the ticket. |
Dredging up the historic actions of special interest groups, cycling, or motor vehicle is rather disingenuous as it doesn't accurately illustrate how and why transportation has evolved. The early efforts of cycling interests didn't lead to todays road networks, and the early efforts of motoring interests didn't lead to the predominance of the motor vehicle.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
(Post 17712356)
Dredging up the historic actions of special interest groups, cycling, or motor vehicle is rather disingenuous as it doesn't accurately illustrate how and why transportation has evolved. The early efforts of cycling interests didn't lead to todays road networks, and the early efforts of motoring interests didn't lead to the predominance of the motor vehicle.
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Thanks to the OP for posting this.This is an interesting article.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
(Post 17712356)
Dredging up the historic actions of special interest groups, cycling, or motor vehicle is rather disingenuous as it doesn't accurately illustrate how and why transportation has evolved. The early efforts of cycling interests didn't lead to todays road networks, and the early efforts of motoring interests didn't lead to the predominance of the motor vehicle.
http://legalhistoryblog.blogspot.com...ome-crime.html |
Originally Posted by bikemig
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It's a plausible story backed up by facts. If this story is wrong, why don't you explain why.
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Originally Posted by Artkansas
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https://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2...r-entire-city/ |
I thought it was a very good article as well. There are at least 2 other threads discussing this article on BF and, I know this will be a complete surprise, posters disagreed on this article.
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Merged. However, being that I had to read through it all to make sure it made sense, I also had to endure the annoying ankle-biting. I've gone through and cleaned that up. C'mon people. Be nice.
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If you're in DC, Carlton Reid, author of Roads Were Not Built for Cars, will be speaking tomorrow evening.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/carlton...ts-16535274451 |
What's weird about this thread is that almost all the arguments are about straw men. The article does not allege some conspiracy but rather talks about politics and how different interest groups pursue their economic self interest. It makes sense that roads were open to pedestrians before cars dominated roads. People got around by walking or on horseback or, a bit later, perhaps on what were for that time expensive bikes. These were public spaces. Cars obviously need roads. It is not a conspiracy theory to point out that car manufacturers said what was in their economic self interest was also in the public good and that they convinced state and local authorities around the nation to change the laws.
This article is based on a book written by an historian who has a lot of sources for his inferences and conclusions. I haven't seen anything as close to high a quality source on the other side of this debate. |
Originally Posted by bikemig
(Post 17721515)
What's weird about this thread is that almost all the arguments are about straw men. The article does not allege some conspiracy but rather talks about politics and how different interest groups pursue their economic self interest. It makes sense that roads were open to pedestrians before cars dominated roads. People got around by walking or on horseback or, a bit later, perhaps on what were for that time expensive bikes. These were public spaces. Cars obviously need roads. It is not a conspiracy theory to point out that car manufacturers said what was in their economic self interest was also in the public good and that they convinced state and local authorities around the nation to change the laws.
This article is based on a book written by an historian who has a lot of sources for his inferences and conclusions. I haven't seen anything as close to high a quality source on the other side of this debate. What's more interesting to me is the completeness of the victory by car supporters in social and psychological terms. It's not so much that they opened up the roads to cars, as they opened peoples' minds to cars. At the same time, they closed minds to the possibility of bikes and other alternatives on crowded city streets. Nowadays, it's almost impossible for most people to even conceive that cars were once interlopers. Hardly anybody can imagine a future world where the streets are evenly shared by cars and bikes and transit vehicles and walkers. |
thanks for sharing this article. and thanks for all the thought provoking talk it spurs. i'm learning tons.
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