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Old 11-11-17, 07:56 AM   #26
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I had trouble with my Cygolite hotshot taillights running out of juice unexpectedly in cold weather. NiMh is better for that, but I'm not too thrilled with the lights that take AAA. That's why I use them as backup to a dyno light
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Some more input here:
I use the Edelux light and the Son whatever dynamo hub. With that setup, I get a large illuminated area, but it's not super-bright. If adjusted properly, the light should cover from several feet in front of you on out. It is great for solo riding in dark rural areas. If you get around a bunch of streetlights, car headlights, or cyclists with brighter lights, it tends to get lost in the mix. For commuting where there's much traffic, I would probably look for something brighter.
I've seen more than one rider using Edelux lights adjusted so they had a little bright rectangle right in front of the bike, which seems a terrible way to use them.
The Edilux light pattern tends to be mostly on the ground, and if you don't watch it, you can ride right through a stop sign and never see the sign, because your light's not shining high and off to the side.
It is GREAT having lights on the bike full time, and not having to worry if your ride takes longer than normal, or not being able to ride because you forgot to recharge the light the last time you came in.
For tail lights, I used multiple Planet Bike Superflashes, and have also used a Princeton Tech Verve (I think that's the name) in there. For any ride where I anticipate several hours of night riding (IE, 300k or longer), I put fresh batteries in those units each ride. I normally use one on solid, others on flash. On the single bike, that's 3 lights, on the tandem, 4.
Peter White talks about the above-the-wheel position being better than the skewer mount, and I think I prefer the skewer mount.
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Old 11-13-17, 07:54 AM   #28
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I use the Edelux light and the Son whatever dynamo hub.
Edelux, or Edelux II? Pretty significant difference in light output.

I adjust my lights pretty carefully. Too high, and motorists get all whiny about it. Too low, and it gets scary on a lot of roads with sharply undulating hills. I generally get them aimed high enough that stop signs are illuminated. That's where car lights are aimed
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Really helpful input, @unterhausen & @StephenH. Over the weekend I ordered two of the Edelux II lights, some B&M wired taillights, and a SON & SP hub for my two long distance bikes. I'll continue to use my trusty B&M Relite-D battery tail lights which last forever on AA batteries mounted to the seat stay as backups.

StephenH, I'm surprised to hear that you use blinking tail lights on brevets. I understood that was considered bad form and can't remember seeing any blinking tail lights on the dozen or so nighttime brevets I have done since picking up the hobby a few years ago. Everyone I have ridden with at night uses steady lights. I do remember getting stuck behind a rider with a blinking tail light during the day between controls on a 200k once and made sure to take a quick stop at the next one so I didn't have to look at that for the rest of the day.
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Old 11-13-17, 12:08 PM   #30
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Really helpful input, @unterhausen & @StephenH. Over the weekend I ordered two of the Edelux II lights, some B&M wired taillights, and a SON & SP hub for my two long distance bikes. I'll continue to use my trusty B&M Relite-D battery tail lights which last forever on AA batteries mounted to the seat stay as backups.
Other people considering this should note that lighting + dynamo prices are much lower in Germany, and what you see on the web sites might not reflect the 19% VAT subtracted for those of us outside Europe.

I spent $188 for my SON28 ($267 from Peter White), $125 for the Edelux II ($182), $17 for my B&M Top Light Line Plus rack-mounted tail lamp, and $54 for my USB-werk ($131) from starbike.

It's an awesome setup for night rides, and I never need to charge my Garmin Edge 800 (with the caveat being it'll run and charge off the USB-werk at night if that starts before turning on my lights, but not after). While obviously not as bright, the uniform light is more usable than what I got with the Magic Shines I switched to after my last Nite Rider failed.

I paid $47 ($106 in the US)+ $22 shipping for my Ixon IQ Premium battery light from bike-discount.de.

The downside is up to 10 business days for delivery.

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Great point.

I got some really unbelievable deals from bike-components.de
Edelux II $93
SON28 $136
SP PL-8 $69
Shipping was $45 so I had to order a bunch of stuff to make it worthwhile.

I'm ordering spokes and tail lights from rose, another German retailer.
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I guess allowing blinking tailligbht depends on the RBA in the US. I read the rule as requiring one light on steady, not that you can't have a blinking light in addition. That's what I do, dyno light in combination with a radbot in what I call "throbbing" mode -- it never goes completely out.
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I wouldn't ride behind someone with anything but a steady on a brevet. I would either speed up and pass them or slow down to let them get so far ahead I didn't have to look at it. In practice it's not really an issue since by night time people are either riding together or so far apart it doesn't matter.
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StephenH, I'm surprised to hear that you use blinking tail lights on brevets. I understood that was considered bad form and can't remember seeing any blinking tail lights on the dozen or so nighttime brevets I have done since picking up the hobby a few years ago. Everyone I have ridden with at night uses steady lights. I do remember getting stuck behind a rider with a blinking tail light during the day between controls on a 200k once and made sure to take a quick stop at the next one so I didn't have to look at that for the rest of the day.

I've seen it done both ways, and have seen people change around, too.
I'm usually not in front of a group, day or night, so it's rather a moot point. The great majority of my nighttime riding on the tandem was been not-in-a-group.
Where I have noticed an issue with other people's lights, it was generally because they were pointing up at an angle, not straight back. And in that case, steady doesn't fix the problem, either. But that also depends on how directional they are.
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I think I will have to put all the different responses on a spreadsheet. Thanks for the great info.
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I've been running dynos since 2011, but I keep my eye on AA battery powered lights as the technology improves. If I were to build up a rando bike today, I'd be tempted to go with a B&M Ixon IQ headlight and one of many usable taillights. I find rechargeable lights problematic because you can't always count on access to a plug, and for me anyway it's just one more thing to deal with when all I want is sleep. Plus if it turns out to be a rainy or foggy day, running with lights on all day creates charging challenges. With replaceable batteries, just carry enough, and buy extras if needed.

Dynohubs are great for turn-it-on-and-forget-about-it lighting, with downsides of drag and limited light output. On a 1200k, the drag I think adds up to measurable time. My current rando and commuter rigs are dyno lit.

IMO, don't stress about it. Pick something and make it work.
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I have a B&M Lumotec IQ Cyo Premium senso plus on my Elephant NFE and a B&M Lumotec IQ Cyo N plus on my Bike Friday. Both work very well. These days I have SP PL-8 dynamos on both bikes, before I switched Bike Friday to disc brakes I was using a Shimano DH-3N80. Again, both worked very well.

I will often ride the last 3-5 hours of a ride in darkness, even if it's not a brevet. Not having to worry about battery life or sufficient illumination is liberating.

The B&M Luxos U light with built-in USB charger sounded like a really cool idea, but a couple of people reported theirs gave them trouble in the rain, so I scrapped that idea. My lights and dynamos have all been rock solid, never a hint of a problem.
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Other people considering this should note that lighting + dynamo prices are much lower in Germany, and what you see on the web sites might not reflect the 19% VAT subtracted for those of us outside Europe.....
Agree.

This past spring I bought my SP PV8 and B&M Luxos U from Star Bike. As you noted, shipping is not cheap. But I think the cost of light, hub and shipping was less than I would have paid in USA for the light alone.

Several years ago I bought a AXA Luxx 70 Plus headlight from Bike24, I run that on another bike with dynohub.

Both of these lights have a good light pattern, but the Luxos U appears to have a better USB charger.

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StephenH, I'm surprised to hear that you use blinking tail lights on brevets. I understood that was considered bad form and can't remember seeing any blinking tail lights on the dozen or so nighttime brevets I have done since picking up the hobby a few years ago. Everyone I have ridden with at night uses steady lights. I do remember getting stuck behind a rider with a blinking tail light during the day between controls on a 200k once and made sure to take a quick stop at the next one so I didn't have to look at that for the rest of the day.

For what it's worth, on yesterday's 300k, there were 4 bikes. I had two blinkie taillights plus solid, another bike had two solid + 1 blinkie, another had one of each, another had solid lights on the bike and blinkie on the helmet. So flashing lights + solid on all four bikes.
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I hope that doesn't start happening in my club. I'm not a fan of blinking tail lights.
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I saw the bikes in the photo one day several years ago, I had to take a photo of teh one that has an excessive number of taillights. Not my bikes, I do not know who the owners are.
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@tourist, looks like Howard from near Dallas. I caught him going up a mountain a while back in (rainy) daytime. Funny thing was, I saw his fluorescent green rain gear a hundred yards before I noticed all those blinking lights!
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@tourist, looks like Howard from near Dallas. I caught him going up a mountain a while back in (rainy) daytime. Funny thing was, I saw his fluorescent green rain gear a hundred yards before I noticed all those blinking lights!
The picture was taken in Madison WI in mid March 2011, I suspect the small pile of snow in front of the bike would not be there if the bike was in Texas in mid March.
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I hope that doesn't start happening in my club. I'm not a fan of blinking tail lights.
I'm not either, but none of the LED taillights that I have used so far are dimmable. So I have to choose between annoying people behind me, or much shorter battery life by leaving them on solid mode whenever they're on. I need to do more research on the current options, since I don't always need/want retina-frying brightness out of them.
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I'm not either, but none of the LED taillights that I have used so far are dimmable. So I have to choose between annoying people behind me, or much shorter battery life by leaving them on solid mode whenever they're on. I need to do more research on the current options, since I don't always need/want retina-frying brightness out of them.
If you are looking for long-lasting steady tail lights, I think B&M has the best options. They run on AA batteries, so if you bring a few spares, they offer essentially unlimited run-time. For tail lights I use a rack mounted B&M toplite line which runs for 40 hours on a single AA battery. My backup is a seat-stay mounted B&M Relite D which runs for 25 hours on 2 AA batteries. Looks like the Relite D has been replaced by the Secula which runs for 20 hours on 2 AA batteries.
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