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Old 11-06-16, 10:08 PM   #1
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Light suggestion for night time brevets?

Was able to complete a 200k last year and looking to redo this and add a 300K. What type of lights should I be looking at other than a dynamo light. Give me some examples with brand names so I can consider some different choices. Reasons would be helpful also.
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I don't think I would go out and get a dyno for your first 300k, but I have to say that dyno lights are the best investment I have ever made in cycling. I can go out and ride and not worry about it getting dark.

A lot of people finish a 300k quickly enough to not really test out their lights that well. Then they find out on the 400k that they don't actually work for long enough. Make sure you test and get any charging issues out of the way.

I think an SP hub and a B&M IQ-x is a really good combination. I like to have dyno tail lights because most battery tail lights will just quit when the battery gets too low.


As far as battery lights go, I really like the cygolite models that have a Fresnel lens. That has the effect of concentrating the light where you want it instead of illuminating the sky. I also like the Cygolite hotshot tail lights.
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But he doesn't want dyno lights.
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But he doesn't want dyno lights.


It appears that everyone's answer so far is acknowledging that.


An Ixon IQ Premium should be considered. Dyno-esque performance with good battery life.
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All of my brevets were done with battery lights.

The Cygolite Expilion 680 got me through PBP, although just barely. I brought (and used) a spare battery, always ran the light at the dimmest setting, and to be honest, part of my reason for taking a nap at Dreux was that my headlight had run out of juice on the way in. Luckily, the sun had started to come up by the time I awoke. I'm not interested in doing any more long brevets without my dyno headlight, but moving on...

Taillights seem to be less of a concern. I really like the Cateye TL-LD-1100 that I have used for commuting and touring for years, but it's sadly out of production. The Axiom Flashpoint Ultra is nice and bright and lasts decently long. I wish it had a mode where you could switch off one of the lights to conserve battery life, though. Flashing modes are frowned on in PBP and by nearly everyone behind you...
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I've been thinking of picking up the fenix BC21r:

https://www.fenixlighting.com/produc...ix-bike-light/
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The Axiom Flashpoint Ultra is nice and bright and lasts decently long.

I've been using this same tail light for some years now, as well as the Nashbar knock-off. Mine does have a steady burn mode I use during the day in dreary weather conditions.

As far as rechargeable headlamps, I'm fond of my NiteRiders... They are super bright, but of course that comes with a trade-off in run time. Mine have three brightness settings plus strobe.
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A friend of mine was using a Bright Eyes setup (Amazon). I got one for the Venge, works pretty well, better with round handlebars!
Suggestion: Get the double-battery package to start with, or just buy two of the things. Consider taking the charger along, for that matter.
Part of it depends on your circumstances. A fast 300k in June won't take a lot of lights. A 19:55 300k in December, you better have some good lights.
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But he doesn't want dyno lights.
his post was a little opaque on that issue so I gave him my best recommendation anyway.

Steamer's Dinotte taillight is just amazing. The bike he was riding at the time I saw it also had a BuM secula, and there was no comparison.
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300K in April

Still looking. Thanks for everyone's help.
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Old 11-10-16, 04:36 PM   #12
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Was able to complete a 200k last year and looking to redo this and add a 300K. What type of lights should I be looking at other than a dynamo light. Give me some examples with brand names so I can consider some different choices. Reasons would be helpful also.
The B&M Ixon IQ Premium pairs a 4 AA battery compartment with the B&M Cyo/Schmidt Edelux ii optics/LED matching the dyno light beam pattern with a 5 hour run time on high.

I paid $47 + $22 flat-rate shipping for mine from bike-discount.de

Spare sets of AA batteries don't take up much room, and are available at all 24 hour grocery stores.

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The B&M Ixon IQ (both standard and premium) will run 20 hours on low, which for me has been perfectly adequate. You don't even need an extra set of batteries. Get the fork crown mount and it's even better.
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I have Dinotte XML-3 and the low setting is sufficient for my night riding at 14-16 miles an hour, and it's supposed to last 10 hours at that setting. Someone with a blog who rode a cervelo S3 on PBP used this light for PBP with fresh battery provided at bag drop. Only thing is that's pricey.
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I've used the Ixon and liked it. The sharp cut-off is very nice. Note: I use two headlamps and two taillights. I always assume that things go wrong. I usually ride with one headlamp, the other being backup, but might turn both on for descents and the like.
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I have used the Serfas TSL-2500 on long brevets with great success since 2014.
It lasts 7 hrs plus on the lowest scale (600 lumens) which is ample enough for riding downhill at a moderate speed.
I also use a diamond black head lamp on my helmet.
I switch off my main light and turn on my helmet light when I am in a group unless I am at the front or when going through a town that is well lit. You can follow the same strategy when climbing slowly uphill. You don't need a strong light if yr climbing at 8-10kph. This way I am conserving the battery charge as much as possible.
On 1000k brevet I carried the Serfas charger too, and topped up the battery whenever I could at a rest stops or control points.
Because my light was so good, even on the lowest scale, I was mostly in front of the group on the downhills.
On the downside you are carrying a heavy battery (about 430gr).
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I've been wondering about this lately. I want to ride across NV non-stop (~400 miles) in April or May.

My current light is a Cat Eye Volt 400, which puts out 400 lumens on high. That's plenty of light for the roads I'll be riding.

The Volt 1200 does 200 lumens for 17 hours or 500 for 5, and it costs $140. I'm wondering if I could get by with using 200 lumens most of the time.
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I've been wondering about this lately. I want to ride across NV non-stop (~400 miles) in April or May.

My current light is a Cat Eye Volt 400, which puts out 400 lumens on high. That's plenty of light for the roads I'll be riding.

The Volt 1200 does 200 lumens for 17 hours or 500 for 5, and it costs $140. I'm wondering if I could get by with using 200 lumens most of the time.
Depends on How GOOD is you night vision.
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I really like the Hope One out of England. They are kind of hard to find now and somewhat expensive as I think they are over $100 as it has been awhile since I bought mine. I like mine because of the following.

1. They seem to burn forever.
2. They have 4 sittings 3 brightnesses and blinking for daytime running.
3. They were recommended to me from a hard core rando rider.
4. I have tried plenty of lights and even have a Peter Whit dyno light.
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everyone on my fleche team had at least one Cygolyte Expillion with replaceable batteries. Now that bike lights are so good, sometimes it's hard to tell if there is a car behind you.
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+1 for Cateye Volt

If we're limited by the OP to choosing a non-dynamo light for no more than one overnight (e.g., 600km or flèche) then the Volt, with a spare battery, is hard to beat. Build quality is outstanding for my 800. Also, the flash mode is effective for riding early or late when the shadows are long (think commute times) and cyclists aren't the biggest concern for most drivers.
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everyone on my fleche team had at least one Cygolyte Expillion with replaceable batteries. Now that bike lights are so good, sometimes it's hard to tell if there is a car behind you.
For night time pace lines, when I'm at the front, I *really* appreciate it when the people behind dim their lights. The dancing shadows give me vertigo, just like blinking tail lights really bug other people. I also rarely ride at the highest light output thanks to decent night vision -- plus the new battery lights blow away most Dynamo lights -- so brighter lights behind can overwhelm my light and make it harder for me to see.

Edit: I also find I can use a much dimmer light when riding alone, with 200 lumens being perfectly adequate for flat roads. Think about it, what do you think the standard was for PBP even 20 years ago, never mind 50 or 80.

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The cold weather in Chicago has got me thinking about dynamo lights. Looks like the top options are:

Lighting only, no charging
  • SON Edelux II
  • Supernova E3 Pro 2
  • B&M IQ-X

Light with USB charger
  • Axa Luxx 70 plus
  • B&M Luxos U

Does anyone have an opinion on the best dynamo light for brevets? Is it the order above? Am I missing any that are worth consideration?

I have been using the Ixon IQ & IQ Premium on nighttime brevets for the past several years and put a B&M Lumotec IQ Cyo Premium T senso plus on my winter bike last year because it's always dark this time of year, and my batteries never lasted long enough in the cold, so it's got me rethinking my battery lighting strategy for brevets.
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I really don't think much of my Supernova lights, they just aren't in the same league as the BuM and Edelux. The IQ-X is much brighter than the Luxos U, if that matters to you. I have a Luxos, it stays in a box. I think that you probably can tell the difference in brightness between a Edelux and an IQ-X. It's too bad they haven't updated the Edelux, which is a year older. I also have no idea why they haven't updated the Luxos, which is 4 years old, I think?

Having said all that, I think this is the time of year they announce new lights. Maybe they will update some of those lights.

I use batteries for charging. I have a Zenduro 6700mAh. It's small and keeps things running. Charges quickly. It has pass-through charging
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I can't recommend a brand or model because I have yet to do the riding however, on my commute, I've found the tail light dies long before the front says it needs charging - the lights were bought as a set so I foolishly expected a similar life (both lights were running on flash). Maybe I'm just unlucky, but something to watch out for?
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