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Old 11-06-17, 10:52 PM
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Good to hear they've got the 1000 series sorted. Still a very expensive buy unfortunately (I know, you get what you pay for). With the ability to recharge it during use either by dyno or external battery, the biggest complaint (battery life) is more or less addressed.

Not wishing to stir up muck, apart from the colour maps and larger maps, what does it offer over the Bolt? As far as navigation goes, my Bolt seems to do what yours does (and in the other thread, you can see where it's giving me grief)
That's like saying "other than that, Ms. Lincoln, how was the play"? You're paying for the screen to tell you where to go and how to get there. If it's bigger, you can litter the screen with more data (like your cadence/speed/heartrate while looking at the map) or back out and see how many streets until your turn. The color I could probably live without. Certainly there's limits to how big a screen is useful, as well. But wherever that is, it's far bigger than the Edge 1000. The bigger, the better. The 1030 is bigger and I bet its replacement will be even bigger. Bigger = you can see where you're going at a quicker glance. I'm young and have perfect vision (thanks doctor!) and I still very much appreciate the large screen.

I have not tried other GPS enabled bike computers, but I find Garmin's GPS software far superior to its competitors for car navigation. There are no real features I absolutely couldn't live without, but if we're talking about a $1-200 marginal cost, I expect my Garmin to last for many years; the price premium wasn't a huge consideration. The difference between $250 and $450 was not huge for me. $450 vs. $700 would have been much harder to swallow.
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Originally Posted by europa View Post
Good to hear they've got the 1000 series sorted. Still a very expensive buy unfortunately (I know, you get what you pay for). With the ability to recharge it during use either by dyno or external battery, the biggest complaint (battery life) is more or less addressed.

Not wishing to stir up muck, apart from the colour maps and larger maps, what does it offer over the Bolt? As far as navigation goes, my Bolt seems to do what yours does (and in the other thread, you can see where it's giving me grief)
Maps with street names, maps that pan when zoomed in so you can see where the minor roads favored for cycling go, switching to the map screen before turns, turn-by-turn from Strava .gpx files or where rwgps didn't get the directions right, navigation to points of interest like water regardless of whether you have a cellular signal and battery.
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the price premium wasn't a huge consideration. The difference between $250 and $450 was not huge for me. $450 vs. $700 would have been much harder to swallow.
It does eventually come down to price doesn't it.
Here in Australia:
$399 for the Bolt.
$539 for the 820
$839 for the 1030
though prices can vary depending on where you buy. The Bolt is about the only one that's consistent at the moment but I'm guessing that'll change if it ever becomes popular.

My money stopped at the Bolt which quite frankly, was all I could afford. I know, you forget about the sticker shock after awhile, but I could only spend the money I had available. The Bolt is a cheaper unit than the Garmin 1000 series (and the 800 series too) and so, you'd expect to get less. I guess I'll know whether I got enough the first time I get lost.
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Having used a G810 (14 mos), Wahoo Bolt (4 mos) and now a G1000, I'd say the Bolt is a good unit, but doesn't do navigation as well as a Garmin. I liked the ability to get a RWGPS route sent wirelessly to the Bolt, but in truth, a Garmin Connect route/course, works as well. The maps on a color screen are easier to read then the B&W of a Wahoo, with the color screen offering more detail. As well, I had issues reading the Bolt navigation section, which on the data screen is white text on black background. I had to remove my (non polarized) sunglasses to read the text. As well, the Garmin system of switching to a map screen at a set distance before a turn, as well as having the turn info on that map, makes it easier to navigate, IMO.

It kind of comes down to do you want some basic navigation and a a good cycling computer ?. The Bolt does that as well as anything. The B&W screen of the Element is larger and offers a better map size, but still in B&W. The larger Elemnt is the same price as a G1000 currently, so kind of makes it a no-brainer as the 1000 is the king for navigation. $350 for a 1000 vs. $600 for a 1030, a unit that is still plagued with issues, also helps that decision.
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I run a Bryton GPS. Definitely not as good as the above mentioned models. But, I do love the easy ability to add/remove routes simply by using a USB cable and Windows file explorer. Full access to the filesystem, and this I love.
GPS navigation works to a point. I never lose signal, but sometimes my Bryton will show a zig-zaggy line when I'm riding on a completely straight road. And there is no function to let you know when to turn and how far it is to the turn. Just an angle on the screen and you have to decide for yourself. It's usually easy to tell when your turn is coming up. The navigation helped during my only brevet I road last year.
My model is the Rider 330.
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I just re-read / skimmed this entire thread again, as I'm closer to pulling the trigger on a device to help me find my way on longer brevet. There is a wealth of experience here with these devices and that is cool. On the other hand, I can't help but think what a mess this whole thing is. The complexity and DYI workarounds is more the norm than the exception. Apple needs to come in and clean house, make something intuitive and user friendly.

My favorite quotes from this thread are Kingston's:
"I don't have any of these issues with the etrex. Just load the track and follow the pink line."
"The etrex 20 is still the best randonneuring GPS IMO. It just works. One set of batteries will easily last 400k, then you just pop in a fresh set and you're good for another 400k. Throw in the price and you've got yourself a no-brainer."

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I think I'm getting the Etrex 20x .I'll continue to use a Garmin 510 for recording the ride to Strava, and showing me distance, HR, cadence, and elapsed time. I'll continue to use the distance displayed on the Garmin 510 to tell me where I am on the cue sheet. The Etrex will be right next to my cue sheet and provide the Pink Line from God showing me that I'm rightly guided on my journey and confirming that a turn is coming up ahead. If I really get lost, I'll use my dynamo-charged iPhone to take me back to the Pink Line.
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what is the longest course anyone has ridden with a Garmin without lockup? Does the 1000 series make it to 400k without a problem? I don't ask that much of a device, but that's a real pain. I don't want to be messing around with my GPS.
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what is the longest course anyone has ridden with a Garmin without lockup? Does the 1000 series make it to 400k without a problem? I don't ask that much of a device, but that's a real pain. I don't want to be messing around with my GPS.
Are you asking about the 1000 specifically? The etrex will go forever with fresh batteries every day or so.
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what is the longest course anyone has ridden with a Garmin without lockup? Does the 1000 series make it to 400k without a problem? I don't ask that much of a device, but that's a real pain. I don't want to be messing around with my GPS.

I've done about 300k without a lockup on an Edge 800. Then I got confused in the middle of the night and popped the memory card out when I couldn't plug the USB battery pack into the card slot. :/ Once I got that sorted out, which involved a reboot just in case, it finished the 400k ride (longest I've done so far) without issue.


OTOH I've had it lock up 75 miles into a 200k. It finished recording the ride, and continued to show me the track on the map, but kept telling me to turn around and ride 25 miles backwards.


That's what is so frustrating about the darn thing: it's flawless until it stops working.
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My question was about any edge model. I think I would rather go back to the cue sheet positioning system over what I've seen from an etrex.

Edge models are great until 2 a.m. when it locks up and resetting it takes 10 minutes. Or it decides not to cue for a turn (or any turns at all, which is pretty common). And I can't start my 800 at my house and ride to my usual perm start point without it going into brain freeze because I retrace my route. It usually makes it about 5 miles into the course. Haven't fully figured out a solution to that, I don't think starting it at the perm start is enough. Not that I'm bitter or anything. Fortunately, you can use it as a light to read the cue sheet with. In fairness, it's worth messing with even though it's not flawless on any ride. And I've learned how to recover when it does lock up.
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My 800 has gotten me through some really complicated routes in the pouring rain. Works great. However, and it's a big however, the battery is gone after 10 hours, which means I need to plug a battery pack into it for brevets longer than that. Which works fine. A really great thing about it is that if I miss a turn it makes a beep and an Off Course warning pops up. So I never go more than about 100 yards off course. If one is racing, that's a big deal, but not so huge for rando. I get a little break, a little drink, while I look at the map to see what I did wrong. I also carry a cue sheet in a waterproof case, another couple in a ziplock bag in the saddle bag, and have a secondary, wired computer to track distance, all just in case. And a spare tire, and . . .

We did a 440 mile route in the Czech Republic with over 600 turns, all off TCX files, only got off route once.

All that said, I look enviously at the 1000 because of its larger screen, but I'm not about to spend the money to upgrade when I don't really need to.
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^^^ basically, my experience as well. I've never needed the cuesheet backup. I'll often load the track to an app on my phone (better for reviewing maps) as a backup.


The ancient 800 might still be the most reliable. I'm hesitant to replace it with something that doesn't work as well..

I could use the larger screen and faster processor of the 1000/1030.

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I just use my Smartphone + an extra capacity battery for my century rides (up to a double century). And I'm not that fast, so a Double Century takes me all day.

I have a solar charger that I tried, but it mostly works as an external extended battery.

For longer rides, I usually set my screen time-out to about 30 seconds, so I can turn on the screen, look at stats or maps quickly, then it goes blank again.

I did use the smart phone for a 5 day mini-tour a year ago. For that, I had a couple of spare extra capacity batteries that I swapped at night. Unfortunately I couldn't find a good place to recharge for the whole trip, headlights smart phone, etc.

The biggest issue is that I can download a route to Strava, but it doesn't download the maps well for offline use. It helps to download the route, then scroll around a bit. But, inevitably I get into low resolution sections where I can see the route, but no details. However, so far, that has only been an issue once when there were two parallel roads, one dead-ended, but it only took a short time to find the correct route. I have a second phone that has network access, so I can use it when I need a detailed map, and am in a place with reception.
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The biggest issue is that I can download a route to Strava, but it doesn't download the maps well for offline use. It helps to download the route, then scroll around a bit. But, inevitably I get into low resolution sections where I can see the route, but no details.
I find having a map (even one on a low resolution screen like the Garmin) very useful for figuring-out navigation issues. I wouldn't (personally) rely on having cell access.

There are a few decent free map apps that let you download maps (in a clear, deterministic way) that also let you load routes. You can use them for "follow the line" navigation or as a backup (for when Strava isn't quite enough). The Ridewithgps app gives you the option to download the map covering the route (you have to have a rwgps subscription to use the navigation).

The apps don't provide the same turn notifications that the Garmins or Strava (presumably) or rwgps does.

"maps.me" is a good free app. So is "Galileo Offline Maps" (the free version doesn't let you load routes).

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I was in my lbs today and they had the new Giant brand GPS. Apparently it's at about the level as the Garmin 520 but the screen is huge in comparison and it costs less than the Wahoo. I really don't know any more about it and may be completely wrong (apart from the size) but it's worth looking at. We may be heading into a 'golden age' for new gps units.
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@europa, that most likely was the Giant NeosTrack GPS. It's based on the Bryton 530 GPS, with some firmware tweaks for Giant. The quarter turn mount is Giant-proprietary.
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@europa, that most likely was the Giant NeosTrack GPS. It's based on the Bryton 530 GPS, with some firmware tweaks for Giant. The quarter turn mount is Giant-proprietary.
That sounds like it.
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OK, so I will be doing my first Gran Fondo in Korea. Other than the physical challenges, there are 2 additional hurdles:

1. I won't have cell phone coverage in a foreign country
2. 8-10+ hour ride may exceed a bike computer battery life

Other than the Garmin Etrex people have mentioned already, what computer and power solutions did you come up with?

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1. I won't have cell phone coverage in a foreign country
2. 8-10+ hour ride may exceed a bike computer battery life

Other than the Garmin Etrex people have mentioned already, what computer and power solutions did you come up with?
One of the Garmin Edge GPS, 800 and up, can have the route downloaded from a computer (laptop or desktop). 8 hours shouldn't be a problem, longer than that and you might want a USB power bank. 500-520 should work, battery-wise and route-wise, but might be iffy on the power bank.
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1. I won't have cell phone coverage in a foreign country
Is your phone unlocked? In most countries, you can get a SIM with data covering for a short trip for a lot less money than what you'd pay for data roaming. If you happen to be a T-Mobile customer, they've got great international data coverage (works in most countries) without surcharge.

Also, there are a number of apps that let you download maps from wifi and use them on the road without data coverage.

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2. 8-10+ hour ride may exceed a bike computer battery life
My O-Synce navi2coach GPS has about 16 hours of battery life and I normally use it for breadcrumb trail navigation.

On all my long rides I carry a 100 mAh USB power bank, which has been enough for the GPS and two smartphones even on 600 km brevets.
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