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Old 11-10-17, 08:39 AM   #51
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Can you give us a hint please

Mine wouldn't connect this morning until I'd restarted the phone. Dead set, it's more temperamental than my cat... and he's a Siamese.
When on the Bolt/Elemnt, I believe you press the Maps button when on the main screen. That'll give you the option to see courses, which will then list the courses found on the device. Then pick one. This is from my sometimes incomplete memory.
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The replies on the Google group confirmed that you do not need the phone connected to navigate a route and that the routes reside on the device.
That is correct.
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When on the Bolt/Elemnt, I believe you press the Maps button when on the main screen. That'll give you the option to see courses, which will then list the courses found on the device. Then pick one. This is from my sometimes incomplete memory.
Correct. There is also where the Sync command resides that will manually exchange info with RWGPS over a WiFi connection. Rides will be uploaded and routes downloaded.
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There are not any on-going problems with the Bolt. There is an iOS 11 issue that causes Bluetooth to drop (not a GPS issue), but simply stopping and restarting the app fixes it. There may even be a fix that causes it.
It sounds like there may be an issue with the Android app on the posterís phone?

Iím continuing to using mine 3 or 4 days per week, creating and loading routes through RWGPS, and uploading back to Strava. It just takes a WiFi connection and/or a smartphone to work near flawlessly.
Of course there are ongoing problems with the Elemnt and Bolt. If you doubt that, go here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...o-elemnt-users

There might not be problems with YOUR Bolt and how you use it. There weren't with mine either, other then I didn't like the navigation screens.

Europa has a Sony Android phone that is having the BT issues, not an iOs 11 phone. I had BT issues with iOs 11 only in that the phone would not keep a constant BT connection. Wahoo is/was aware of this, maybe they fixed it. I no longer own a Bolt so can't say.

It might well be the issue for Europa is the phone, yet he states he has no other issues with any other device, only the Bolt, which then makes it unusable for him. Wahoo has stated they have not seen this issue. It's also unlikely, given that the Sony phone is not a mainstream Android phone, that Wahoo will fix this and I get the sense from Europa that his support conversations haven't been helpful other then "we haven't seen that", with no idea as to whether they will actually fix it. They might, Wahoo is pretty good at getting fixes out there, but hard to say and doesn't offer Europa a solution short term.
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To somewhat summarize the issues and potential solutions.

Europa states he likes and uses the BT features of the Bolt, thus would likely desire that in a device, if he were to return the Bolt, if that's possible. BT offers ease of downloading routes/courses from the mobile app as well as uploading completed rides to the phone and then onto the web. Note that this is accomplished on some devices via a cable connection. Cable connection ride uploads is not possible on a Wahoo, so reliable (or maybe better phrased as, just not too annoying) BT becomes important in this case. Another nice BT feature is the ability to receive text and call notifications.

Options as a result of a problem with Wahoo BT and Sony Android phones, would be Lezyne and Polar as inexpensive solutions, not sure of the features. Or assorted Garmin units, 520, 800 as refurbished (but no BT), 810 (an unreliable unit), 820, 1000 and 1030. A BIG question if the BT connection to a Sony phone is any better on Garmin then on a Wahoo.

- 520 doesn't do navigation quite as well as Wahoo but can do it, has buttons if you don't like a touch screen, and has a reputation as a very reliable unit at the same price point as the Bolt, as well as roughly the same size.

- 800 can be had as a refurbished at a great price, very reliable, doesn't do BT

- 810, unreliable, can't be purchased as new.

- 820, mixed reviews, does good navigation, has BT, same size as a 520 but has better mapping and navigation, Ragball had some good results with the 820, not with the 1030, posted here. https://www.bikeforums.net/electroni...-1030-a-6.html

EDIT: Forgot to add the 1030, very expensive, same size as the 1000 but a slightly larger screen, DC Rainmaker generally liked the unit, though Ragball reported many issues that resulted in his unit being returned.

- 1000, Big unit, MUCH bigger then a Bolt, that may turn you off, but bigger is better if wanting to look at maps. Got an update recently, so reports are a pretty reliable unit and as it was Garmin's flagship unit, you would hope it's reliable. Price greatly reduced at around $360 or so, in the price range of an Elemnt ($330) and an 820 ($350).

My experience with a recently purchased 1000 is I'm Ok with the size, it's smaller than the iPhone/Android option many people use. Very easy to get configured, has worked flawlessly, love the maps. Love the ability to choose which maps, such as topo's as needed. Wahoo didn't/doesn't allow any 3rd party maps, just the road centric base map. I've been getting 10 hrs of use while navigating, 13-14 with no navigation, WiFi off, GLONASS Off, (it doesn't need it), BT on, a speed sensor active. Harder to get a RWGPS course onto the unit, requires a cable and dealing with moving the map files, however Garmin Connect does as good a job at course creation for roads and bike trails and thus is a BT download of the course. Dumps completed rides up to RWGPS and the BT connection to iOS seemingly is rock steady as I get call and text notifications as well as do not have to manually close the Connect mobile app, and re-launch in order to dump a ride up to the web.

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There are not any on-going problems with the Bolt. There is an iOS 11 issue that causes Bluetooth to drop (not a GPS issue), but simply stopping and restarting the app fixes it. There may even be a fix that causes it.
It sounds like there may be an issue with the Android app on the posterís phone?

Iím continuing to using mine 3 or 4 days per week, creating and loading routes through RWGPS, and uploading back to Strava. It just takes a WiFi connection and/or a smartphone to work near flawlessly.

I typically close the Wahoo app when not using it and restart it after turning on the GPS. Maybe that is how it always works for me?
I think the iOS 11 BTLE issue may be with the iPhone 7 and 8. I've been using my Bolt with both iOS 10 and 11 on an iPhone SE for about two months now and have not had any issues with Bluetooth disconnections. I ride about 3-4 hours a day, 6 days a week and my Bolt and phone are always connected. I set one of the data fields on the main display page to show the battery level of my phone. If there's a disconnect, the battery percentage will always stay the same.
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I think the iOS 11 BTLE issue may be with the iPhone 7 and 8. I've been using my Bolt with both iOS 10 and 11 on an iPhone SE for about two months now and have not had any issues with Bluetooth disconnections. I ride about 3-4 hours a day, 6 days a week and my Bolt and phone are always connected. I set one of the data fields on the main display page to show the battery level of my phone. If there's a disconnect, the battery percentage will always stay the same.
It's on the 6S as well. I did a ticket with Wahoo in Sept., their support e-mail said they were passing on to evaluate. I heard nothing back.

There are multiple posts on the Google Wahoo group back in Sept., about BT auto connect issues with Android, as well as automatic upload issues, pairing issues. I'm not sure if there's been an update since and suspect that as with all such posts, we are only seeing those folks who report issues, but that the vast majority of users are OK.
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I've been doing some experimenting with connecting the Bolt to my laptop via cable.

First (as mentioned earlier), you need the Bolt turned on before plugging in the cable.
Second, contrary to my previous experience but agreeing with dwing's experience, the Bolt shows up in Windows Explorer as a USB device named Elemnt-Bolt. It also showed as being nearly full of data.

Once connected, Windows Explorer could see a number of folders, one of which was Exports - this holds the rides you've done and can be copied from the Bolt to your computer.
Another folder is called Routes but that is empty.

Goodness knows where the Bolt stores the routes but it has to be on the Bolt because with the phone turned off (ie, definitely not connected), it still has my routes showing and selectable.

I downloaded a route from rwgps to my computer, changed the name, then copied it to the Routes folder on the Bolt. After a pause, it showed up BUT, it had the original name I'd given it on rwgps so obviously the title is part of the meta-data (if that's what it's called)

So basically, it is possible to copy rides and routes to and from the Bolt and your computer.

What really confuses me is those who have a lot of rwgps routes on their Bolt because they aren't showing up on the device and there isn't much room there for them anyway.
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I understand this is a workaround to nonfunctional BT, but just curious if the Bolt can grab the RWGPS routes via WiFi ?. Maybe not attempting a pairing, leaving the mobile app off on the phone, go to Maps on the Bolt when it’s in range of the WiFi then try a sync ?
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I didn't try to download direct from rwgps though I think it's possible. I was more interested in getting a system working between my computer and the Bolt, largely to try and get away from the third party (ie rwgps).

On a different note, part way through my morning ride, I thought I'd see what happened if I turned on the stored route for the ride. As you'd expect, after a bit of sniffing about, it picked up my place in the route and the rest ran normally.
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I, largely to try and get away from the third party (ie rwgps).
Curious as to what you would use to create routes/courses, if not RWGPS ?. I understand Strava does this and I use Garmin Connect without issues. But wondering where are you going with this concept ?, if only as one of the best things about the Wahoo devices is they integrate really well with RWGPS.
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I'm happy to use rwgps to create routes, indeed I'm not aware of a better tool (though there may be one). It's more having my rides and routes stored there. It's not a big deal really, just an aging distrust of having someone else holding my data.
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I'm happy to use rwgps to create routes, indeed I'm not aware of a better tool (though there may be one). It's more having my rides and routes stored there. It's not a big deal really, just an aging distrust of having someone else holding my data.
One of the reasons I wonít use Strava is the privacy setting wasnít to my liking. At the time I signed up (a few years ago), nothing was really private, it was all shared data. If you rode out of your house, you could trick the map to show the ride started a 1/2 mile away, etc... but that was about it, the rest of the ride data was shared. Not sure if they changed this, but with RWGPS you only share whatever you want, Every Ride can be private by default, and nobody sees this info., or at least thatís how I think it works. Garmin I saw the same way, you donít have to share any ride data.
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I like that privacy feature, though you do have to remember to select 'private' when saving a route.
I'm just a distrustful, grumpy old sod 😡
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I'm happy to use rwgps to create routes, indeed I'm not aware of a better tool (though there may be one). It's more having my rides and routes stored there. It's not a big deal really, just an aging distrust of having someone else holding my data.
Before getting my Bolt, about two months ago, I was using Cyclemeter with the Wahoo RFLKT as my display device. Cyclemeter stores all your ride data on a local database so you really don't need to go to any web site to view your rides, only to share them. It's all done on your phone. I have ride data stored on my phone from Jan, 2011, when I first started keeping track of my rides. Since Cyclemeter can import Fit 2 files, I don't keep any rides on my Bolt for more than one week and don't auto upload to RWGPS. I only use RWGPS to store my routes for downloading. After each ride, I export the ride to Cyclemeter. The Bolt does export to Strava and that's because I do the National Bike Challenge every year and Strava is the only way I can get my miles uploaded to it.

My only issue with the Bolt and routes is that you can't delete routes that you have completed from the device without deleting the route from RWGPS first. This is very poor planning and design on someone's part because if I want to ride the same route six months form now and don't remember the route, I'm screwed. This poor planning has caused me to create two RWGPS accounts, one to store the routes and one to copy the route to and have as a place to sync the route(s) to my Bolt and where I can delete them when I'm done with them.
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Thanks John, that sounds similar to what I'll be doing. I like the second account work around and will probably steal the idea if I may.
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My only issue with the Bolt and routes is that you can't delete routes that you have completed from the device without deleting the route from RWGPS first. .
If I'm understanding this, what you are saying is you cannot delete competed rides - I.E. your ride history, from the device, without also having it deleted from RWGPS ?.

That sounds odd and I'd be surprised if it was true, but have no way to verify. I know you can do this on a Garmin, without affecting either your history on Connect or other places you've saved.

EDIT: This is what the Wahoo instructions says about deleting workouts. It's done on the phone app.

"You can delete a workout at any time by:
iOS: Selecting Edit or swiping left. Using the Edit function enables you to multiple-select items to be deleted. Select Delete to confirm.
Android: Long press (Android) on the selected ride. Select Delete to confirm."

I would think it might have a warning that doing this also means deleting on the web RWGPS/Strava database as well.

I understand that there's no method to delete courses/routes that were created in another source (RWGPS, Strava) from the device locally, you need to actually delete the course at the source and then sync, which then deletes on the device. Wahoo has gotten many complaints about this inability to either delete on the device, or do it on the app, yet still have it on a mapping source. They have not fixed it.

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Not rides but routes. Once you download and complete a route, it becomes a ride. Rides can be deleted by using the companion app. Routes can only be deleted from the device by deleting them from RWGPS first, and resynching the device. As I said, not much planning on someoneís part. I wish Wahoo would have set it up with RWGPS to select which route(s) you want to download into the device like Garmin does.
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Thanks John, that sounds similar to what I'll be doing. I like the second account work around and will probably steal the idea if I may.
If you do, make the second account (the one storing the routes) a friend of the first account so you only have to click on the friend account to get to the routes. Otherwise, you have to do a search for the username of the second account each time you want to copy a route to the main account. Itís a pain in the a$$ but itís a way to keep your routes on RWGPS and still be able to delete them from your device.
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Not rides but routes. Once you download and complete a route, it becomes a ride. Rides can be deleted by using the companion app. Routes can only be deleted from the device by deleting them from RWGPS first, and resynching the device. As I said, not much planning on someoneís part. I wish Wahoo would have set it up with RWGPS to select which route(s) you want to download into the device like Garmin does.
Yes, that was what my last paragraph was describing.

Itís when you said ďcompletedĒ with ďroutesĒ that it got confusing.
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Bit of an update with my personal Bolt. It mostly pairs with the phone but still doesn't sometimes. However, rather than blame the Bolt like I was before, I'm now feeling it's the phone because it's started acting up with the car - that's really annoying because the phone is only a year old and will now probably be the last Sony I buy.
Anyways, when the Bolt doesn't pair with the phone, starting the App usually does the trick but if not, restarting the phone has always done it (reinforcing my belief that it's the phone, not the Bolt).

I've been venturing into some hilly country of late and am finding it interesting looking at the grades I'm riding. No wonder I've found some of those roads hard in the past (yes, 13% is indeed steep)

Still riding roads I know so I'm not really stressing the navigational functions. I have planned some longer rides and was interested to find myself more willing to plan routes with a greater chance of getting bushed, simply because I know (I hope) I've got the kit to keep me on track. Of course, getting out there and actually riding the things would help too.
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I've recently been noticing a slight quirk with my Bolt and wondering if anyone else has noticed it or is it just my device. I'll be into a ride and then stop for a few minutes and my average speed will drop .2 to .3 mph with each stop. So if, for example, I have an average speed of 17.5 when riding, I then stop for a few minutes and when the ride resumes, the average speed will be 17.3 or 17.2 mph. It's really not a big deal for me since I use riding speed over average speed but for some reason it's somewhat annoying. I've just recently noticed this and want to find out if others are having this issue before I check with the Yahoo Group or put in a call to customer service?
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I've recently been noticing a slight quirk with my Bolt and wondering if anyone else has noticed it or is it just my device. I'll be into a ride and then stop for a few minutes and my average speed will drop .2 to .3 mph with each stop. So if, for example, I have an average speed of 17.5 when riding, I then stop for a few minutes and when the ride resumes, the average speed will be 17.3 or 17.2 mph. It's really not a big deal for me since I use riding speed over average speed but for some reason it's somewhat annoying. I've just recently noticed this and want to find out if others are having this issue before I check with the Yahoo Group or put in a call to customer service?
I doubt that's a quirk. Do you merely need to turn an autopause feature on? I think I read that you need a supplemental speed sensor to use it, though.
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I haven't noticed that happening John. I do have the auto-pause turned on (no speed sensor), maybe you've turned yours off?
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Had an interesting quirk this morning. I was riding along at about 26km/hr when the Bolt suddenly paused and immediately turned back on again. I was passing under a tree so put it down to interupted satelite signals though I use that route every day without previous drama. Lots of trees on that route so it was possibly a cumulative thing. As the ride progressed, now out in the open, I noticed that even when riding three or four km/hr above the shown average, the indicator showed that my ave speed was decreasing (though the number shown wasn't winding back). Finally, my maximum speed was 1,567 km/hr - I'm not even that fast in my dreams.

And interestingly, the numbers uploaded to rwgps are different again.

I'm hoping it's a one off. Anyone else seen something similar? I'm guessing we can't expect perfect satelite connection all the time.
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